Simple Question...Why is Patch Faking not as Hated as Trimming?

Soxrule111 · 12-21-2019, 11:27 AM

If you say Trimming is done to gain more money and is Fraudulent, then inst patch faking? Its done to improve the Value of a card, so wouldn't knowingly selling a fake patch card be the same degree of fraud as a trimmed card?

Just curious why everyone is out against Trimmers, but isnt throwing Darts at patch fakers.

Fraud in this industry should be fraud, it should vary from a money standpoint. Just because a Trim job is +$1000 and a patch is only +$20

Baseball is a bad place to ask, but look at Exquisites, NTs, The Cups. A 3 Color Patch is generally 2x a 1 color.

Or maybe you guys are looking into those as well on the higher end scale, and just not posting it.

KhalDrogo · 12-21-2019, 11:29 AM

It is. And countless examples of Exquisite, NT, The Cup have been pointed out here.

Soxrule111 · 12-21-2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It is. And countless examples of Exquisite, NT, The Cup have been pointed out here.

Ok, I havent been following the Trimming much, was just looking at some sets I collect and get irritated when I see an NFL Logo in a 2002 card /150

Like dude....

tonedef2oo8 · 12-21-2019, 11:53 AM

Ummm who is not hating patch faking?

Odd topic

Wiseguy917 · 12-21-2019, 12:03 PM

Patch faking is hated, but patches are also stupid and faked straight from the manufacturer and production line.

Collectors always romanticized about owning high end vintage. Now that you can’t without second guessing every piece of cardboard in a slab, collectors are FURIOUS!!

mfw13 · 12-21-2019, 12:22 PM

Because very few people care about patches....and those that do are generally in the basketball forum.

Soxrule111 · 12-21-2019, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Ummm who is not hating patch faking?

Odd topic

The fact everyone wants to send Trimmers to Jail, and I havent seen a lets send patch fakers to jail thread.

Vladdy Jr · 12-21-2019, 12:24 PM

Wrong sport chief

3124508 on COMC · 12-21-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladdy Jr

Wrong sport chief

Yep. Posts all the time on fake patches in football, basketball, and hockey. Dare I say almost daily in basketball.

MoreToppsPlease · 12-21-2019, 12:51 PM

Less prospecting and profit in patches so fewer people care.

Plus, most people already suspect patches...when they should already suspect slabs as well...or any other kind of card.

pewe · 12-21-2019, 02:39 PM

patches without MLB auth hologram + no story / relevance = limited interest in my book

13goyankees13 · 12-21-2019, 02:50 PM

Patches are such a small part of the hobby that fake patches don't get much attention. Excluding Panini and Leaf stuff, there are really only a few high-end Topps products where patches are a focus at all and even then, most of those are low numbered. If people see a nice patch on an unnumbered card from Flagship, most people are smart enough to stay away. Trimming is a much bigger deal because it can apply to most of the top cards in the hobby and it's harder to spot likely trimmed cards.

pskell02 · 12-21-2019, 02:53 PM

Patch faking is old news. That was the scandal before trimming came to light. It’s still just as frowned upon, but not the current Mo of scammers. They can make more by trimming base rookies in bulk than by switching a patch on a Lebron RPA.

3AND4 · 12-21-2019, 03:14 PM

It is. I just think the trimming has overshadowed it. Also way higher amounts of $$$$ involved.

Big Diff taking a Jordan Jersey - a Jordan sick Patch

Compared to a Mantle PSA 3 - PSA 6

Soxfanguy · 12-21-2019, 03:22 PM

Patches aren’t big in baseball

12-21-2019, 11:27 AM	#1
Soxrule111 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: DeKalb Posts: 15,113 Soxrule111	Simple Question...Why is Patch Faking not as Hated as Trimming? If you say Trimming is done to gain more money and is Fraudulent, then inst patch faking? Its done to improve the Value of a card, so wouldn't knowingly selling a fake patch card be the same degree of fraud as a trimmed card? Just curious why everyone is out against Trimmers, but isnt throwing Darts at patch fakers. Fraud in this industry should be fraud, it should vary from a money standpoint. Just because a Trim job is +$1000 and a patch is only +$20 Baseball is a bad place to ask, but look at Exquisites, NTs, The Cups. A 3 Color Patch is generally 2x a 1 color. Or maybe you guys are looking into those as well on the higher end scale, and just not posting it.

12-21-2019, 11:29 AM	#2
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,454	It is. And countless examples of Exquisite, NT, The Cup have been pointed out here. __________________ I love PSA!

12-21-2019, 11:53 AM	#4
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,335	Ummm who is not hating patch faking? Odd topic __________________ *“ I am very good at calculating stuff. 160+60=210 “*

12-21-2019, 12:03 PM	#5
Wiseguy917 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 3,558	Patch faking is hated, but patches are also stupid and faked straight from the manufacturer and production line. Collectors always romanticized about owning high end vintage. Now that you can’t without second guessing every piece of cardboard in a slab, collectors are FURIOUS!! __________________ PSA is like a 70s Porn Star...They don’t care if it’s trimmed or not. Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets

12-21-2019, 12:51 PM	#10
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	Less prospecting and profit in patches so fewer people care. Plus, most people already suspect patches...when they should already suspect slabs as well...or any other kind of card. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

12-21-2019, 12:22 PM	#6
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,884	Because very few people care about patches....and those that do are generally in the basketball forum.

12-21-2019, 12:24 PM	#8
Vladdy Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 712	Wrong sport chief

12-21-2019, 02:39 PM	#11
pewe Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 26,646	patches without MLB auth hologram + no story / relevance = limited interest in my book

12-21-2019, 02:50 PM	#12
13goyankees13 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,521 13goyankees13	Patches are such a small part of the hobby that fake patches don't get much attention. Excluding Panini and Leaf stuff, there are really only a few high-end Topps products where patches are a focus at all and even then, most of those are low numbered. If people see a nice patch on an unnumbered card from Flagship, most people are smart enough to stay away. Trimming is a much bigger deal because it can apply to most of the top cards in the hobby and it's harder to spot likely trimmed cards. __________________ Currently collecting TTM/IP autos and Minnesota Golden Gophers alumni of all sports.

12-21-2019, 02:53 PM	#13
pskell02 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 21,934 pskell02 pskell02	Patch faking is old news. That was the scandal before trimming came to light. It’s still just as frowned upon, but not the current Mo of scammers. They can make more by trimming base rookies in bulk than by switching a patch on a Lebron RPA. __________________ Click here to be notified when I post a new group break https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=pskell02

12-21-2019, 03:14 PM	#14
3AND4 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 763	It is. I just think the trimming has overshadowed it. Also way higher amounts of $$$$ involved. Big Diff taking a Jordan Jersey - a Jordan sick Patch Compared to a Mantle PSA 3 - PSA 6

12-21-2019, 03:22 PM	#15
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Patches aren’t big in baseball __________________ ok