Catch-All of Trimmed Basketball Cards (Kobe, Simmons, Kawhi, Giannis, Jordan) (PWCC)

[mondogenerator]

great examples of conservation

that kevin burge dude looks like a douche. unsurprised face.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

And I thought chrome type cards like Prizm would be safe...

nothing is safe if people are willing to pay money for it

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

nothing is safe if people are willing to pay money for it

I think glass cards are safe. Other than that though...

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by superdan49

L to R: Kevin Burge, Vinny Ho, Keith Koenig

Burge rivals Robert Block as the most prolific trimmer of modern cards. He has a sordid history in the hobby and a lengthy criminal record.
See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1185615
and https://www.google.com/search?ei=w4A...iz.406pVxsmi5k

Vinny Ho was found selling two trimmed cards with two different eBay accounts, avsports888 and tonkabearbrons23. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1284351

Keith Koenig is a known buyer of unaltered cards for Burge, who then trims them. He also once had an association with known trimmer Steven Tormollan. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295981

It's like the Dollar Tree cardboard version of The Hangover.

Kev looks like he's fully prepared for the VH1 98 Degrees 20 year reunion special.


Be honest. Who here has had a cordial dinner with these 3 stooges?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by superdan49

L to R: Kevin Burge, Vinny Ho, Keith Koenig

Burge rivals Robert Block as the most prolific trimmer of modern cards. He has a sordid history in the hobby and a lengthy criminal record.
See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1185615
and https://www.google.com/search?ei=w4A...iz.406pVxsmi5k

Vinny Ho was found selling two trimmed cards with two different eBay accounts, avsports888 and tonkabearbrons23. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1284351

Keith Koenig is a known buyer of unaltered cards for Burge, who then trims them. He also once had an association with known trimmer Steven Tormollan. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295981

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It's like the Dollar Tree cardboard version of The Hangover.

Kev looks like he's fully prepared for the VH1 98 Degrees 20 year reunion special.


Be honest. Who here has had a cordial dinner with these 3 stooges?

Ha, ha. Too many that won't admit it. They do all of the big shows throughout the US. I always wondered how they could afford the expenses that go along with traveling, hotels, meals, table fees, etc. since they don't sell a ton; they're mostly trading. At first I thought the groups like them (they all set up next to each other) were just thoroughfares for laundered drug money, which still may be true. Anyway, by last Nationals it became clear for me what was going on. It was only a matter of time.

Side note: Does Vinny Ho have the longest left index finger or what?!

[notfast]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Ha, ha. Too many that won't admit it. They do all of the big shows throughout the US. I always wondered how they could afford the expenses that go along with traveling, hotels, meals, table fees, etc. since they don't sell a ton; they're mostly trading. At first I thought the groups like them (they all set up next to each other) were just thoroughfares for laundered drug money, which still may be true. Anyway, by last Nationals it became clear for me what was going on. It was only a matter of time.

Side note: Does Vinny Ho have the longest left index finger or what?!

I have seen Vinny purchase many high $ cards at shows on the East Coast. Never ran in to the other guys that I know of.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by superdan49

L to R: Kevin Burge, Vinny Ho, Keith Koenig

Burge rivals Robert Block as the most prolific trimmer of modern cards. He has a sordid history in the hobby and a lengthy criminal record.
See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1185615
and https://www.google.com/search?ei=w4A...iz.406pVxsmi5k

Vinny Ho was found selling two trimmed cards with two different eBay accounts, avsports888 and tonkabearbrons23. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1284351

Keith Koenig is a known buyer of unaltered cards for Burge, who then trims them. He also once had an association with known trimmer Steven Tormollan. See: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295981

So interesting to put a face to a couple of those well known names. Thank you so much.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I always wondered how they could afford the expenses that go along with traveling, hotels, meals, table fees, etc. since they don't sell a ton; they're mostly trading.

It's like the not hot, male version of those instagram 'models' always taking extravagant paid trips to Dubai.

Except these guys get laid at remote truck stops outside Kentucky.

[3124508 on COMC]

Added a Jordan auto I found while doing something else.

[regionrat]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Ovbiously much more to come, just trying to clean up the archives some.

1996 Score Board Red Kobe Bryant ROOKIE RC AUTO 59/390 PSA 10 GEM MINT

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ard-1815088158
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1429103




2013 Panini Court Kings Next Day Giannis Antetokounmpo ROOKIE AUTO BGS 10

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nis-1900164220
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1609145





2016 Panini Prizm 5th Anniversary Prizm Ben Simmons ROOKIE RC 5/5 PSA 10

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...fth-1840510762
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1434688





2012 Panini Preferred Crown Royale Kawhi Leonard ROOKIE AUTO 41/99 PSA 10

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...whi-1866343852
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1609127





2004 UD Trilogy Signs Of Stardom Michael Jordan AUTO PSA 10 GEM MINT

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...dan-1909913112
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1719313





2014 Panini Preferred Silhouettes Joel Embiid RC AUTO PATCH 25/99 PSA 10

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...red-1834346295
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1626282





https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1931607
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tic-1798083963

If I buy a card that PSA or BGS graded 10, I expect it to be all original parts, not restored or altered or whatever they’re calling it today.

[3124508 on COMC]

Added Jordan adjacent in PSA serial number to the one I just posted.

[ninjacookies]

Tip of the iceberg.

[regionrat]

Sad. But I am afraid you are right. :

[3124508 on COMC]

Added a new Jordan auto:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1754435237 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1660039

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed 1/1 Jordan:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...1998-498074627
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1275997

[Stat Monsters]

Originally Posted by ShamelessPel

This pisses me off so much. How hard is it for the grading companies to measure dimensions?! My god. It’s intentional negligence because they’ve gone too far chasing the green and can’t go back now.

The odd thing is about 15 years ago, I submitted a card to PSA that I pulled from a pack that came back as "trimmed" which baffled me and I then sent it to BGS for grading to see if they would evaluate it the same or if PSA was just wrong, and BGS returned it as Altered (Trimmed). I had a great relationship with BGS, so I told them it was pack pulled and I was the original owner and how it's odd that it's coming back as if I'd done something to the card... and the response I received was very logical. I was told, some cards have production errors and are mis-cut, but those can't be graded as legitimate cards, so it's not like the moniker of altered/trimmed is an accusation more than just a fact of the state of the condition. I was happy with that explanation.

[KevJo]

It boggles me why anyone would trim an on card Michael Jordan 1/1 Auto. Its absolute madness!

Kevin

[NickRadz23]

Originally Posted by ragingbull

grading is just highly overrated.

id rather buy a flawed card than an altered card being passed as a gem.

Agree but this hobby is so OCD it's hard not to feed into it with grading.

[Internazionale]

Sadly it looks like it'll never end.

[SPauthentic84]

A lot of relists for Brent on this batch

[3124508 on COMC]

Edit: Looking back at this card today, I don't know if the top edge has been trimmed, however both the left and right edges appear to be. That's mostly how the top right corner on the rear was fixed.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...lack-877173749
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...irk-1727755822
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1351572

[3124508 on COMC]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...o-autographics
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1871303

[JGDMSP]

Thanks for sharing. Great work man

[3124508 on COMC]

Up for auction with PWCC next month. Putting here before I send it off to them to be removed. Original source is psa.gems (Kevin Burge).

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2138233
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...leer-525861297
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...orks-291907990

[DJP73]

Not sure how long the grading buisness can go on. Honest people buying these expensive cards and then finding out this nightmare. I am thinking about selling off all my graded stuff. Who can you trust, You dont know.