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Old 10-25-2019, 12:05 PM   #776
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What’s the odds of hitting a Zion with 9-card boxes (assuming all happen to be 9)?
It would be right around 27% chance to pull a Zion if you are talking any card with Zion on it (non-auto, team trio, team quad, printing plate, etc. included) if all boxes have 9 cards and you assume only 1 Zion per box.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:06 PM   #777
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You didn't need a Zion to come out ahead in Immac, and you certainly don't need one for NT.

5 rpa + book theory in tact.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:12 PM   #778
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My 3X boxes came in.

Gonna hold these for a bit and see what happens. Will rip on Monday if they're not selling at $1,000+ per.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:19 PM   #779
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Agreed. Thats a pretty dam stacked box without zion. A lot of the rookies are seeing decent playing time from the looks of opening games this year as well.
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You didn't need a Zion to come out ahead in Immac, and you certainly don't need one for NT.

5 rpa + book theory in tact.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:23 PM   #780
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Agreed. Thats a pretty dam stacked box without zion. A lot of the rookies are seeing decent playing time from the looks of opening games this year as well.
Edwards immac are selling for 80 each and NAW at least 50...cam johnson 40....Ja 300. These being NT I'd expect a premium.

Zion is not life or death. All those smaller singles add up real quick.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:31 PM   #781
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You didn't need a Zion to come out ahead in Immac, and you certainly don't need one for NT.

5 rpa + book theory in tact.
I like how he struggles with the names.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:33 PM   #782
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I like how he struggles with the names.
Derron was a hulluva pg for the Jazz, I think.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:36 PM   #783
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Ughhhh got my box lol. I kinda wanna open it but damn...i also kinda wanna hold it. Help me ninjacookies!!

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Old 10-25-2019, 12:38 PM   #784
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We still have not seen any of the lower # stuff, I think so far all the RPA were out of /99. Hope we see more breaks today
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:39 PM   #785
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Ughhhh got my box lol. I kinda wanna open it but damn...i also kinda wanna hold it. Help me ninjacookies!!

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Old 10-25-2019, 12:39 PM   #786
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We still have not seen any of the lower # stuff, I think so far all the RPA were out of /99. Hope we see more breaks today
Isn’t the morant in the video above to /25?
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:41 PM   #787
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Profit is profit. Depends how strung out you are for a couple hundo.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:47 PM   #788
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These being NT I'd expect a premium.
I'm not sure i'd really agree with that. And if there is a Premium it will be negligible. Prices won't start as high as the Immaculate did - a lot of college inventory out there.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:48 PM   #789
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If indeed it is 9 card boxes, that would jump your percentage to nearly 30% of a zion. Crazy. 1700 boxes, 500 Zions. But there is room for error, could be two Zions in a box randomly etc. But crazy.

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Old 10-25-2019, 12:48 PM   #790
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Profit is profit. Depends how strung out you are for a couple hundo.
I would say that majority of us are not strung out which is why we choose to hold these. The ones that do are the ones who sold immaculate for $425 and kick to the balls.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:48 PM   #791
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It would be right around 27% chance to pull a Zion if you are talking any card with Zion on it (non-auto, team trio, team quad, printing plate, etc. included) if all boxes have 9 cards and you assume only 1 Zion per box.
Hot damn!!!!!!
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:50 PM   #792
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I'm not sure i'd really agree with that. And if there is a Premium it will be negligible. Prices won't start as high as the Immaculate did - a lot of college inventory out there.
The prices I quoted were current immac prices even after the multiple week price settling. I'm not expecting huge premiums, but I'm also not expecting NT to be the same price.

Point is, these are just as loaded if not moreso than Immac when you factor in more cards per box and the added booklet rpa.
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My box came in, decent i guess?
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:54 PM   #794
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I would say that majority of us are not strung out which is why we choose to hold these. The ones that do are the ones who sold immaculate for $425 and kick to the balls.
I don't think there's anything to lose by holding a few more weeks. I expect boxes to fly off ebay once more breaks get posted. The format is just like Immac with at least one b
lottery pick rpa per box (rj, rui, ja, zion, hunter, reddish).
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:57 PM   #795
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My box came in, decent i guess?
That Hunter letter patch is nasty.


Kz and a Zion triple?


Things that make you go hmmmm.
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That Hunter letter patch is nasty.


Kz and a Zion triple?


Things that make you go hmmmm.
Theres no way that box is even close to $500 return.
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I'm not expecting huge premiums, but I'm also not expecting NT to be the same price.
Maybe. I'm not so sure though. The glut of inventory, the fact that now everyone is seeing who's actually playing this year and them being fugly is going to be a drag on prices.

Don't get me wrong. Still a nice break for those who like them and flipped boxes will pull a nice profit.

But we can't forget that FOTL Flawless Collegiate will go live in the next 10ish days or so.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:01 PM   #798
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Theres no way that box is even close to $500 return.
I didn't say that.

Also, the deandre boxes were the worst ones in immac. Still didn't get completely hosed. Name me another Panini product where a 60-70% roi is worst case scenario.
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Maybe. I'm not so sure though. The glut of inventory, the fact that now everyone is seeing who's actually playing this year and them being fugly is going to be a drag on prices.

Don't get me wrong. Still a nice break for those who like them and flipped boxes will pull a nice profit.

But we can't forget that FOTL Flawless Collegiate will go live in the next 10ish days or so.

You seemed pretty bearish on immac early on too, IIRC.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, but I'm fairly confident in the forecast. It's not going to break most of us either way.
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Theres no way that box is even close to $500 return.
Actually I take that back. The 2 Hunters should get close to 200. The triple patch at least another c-note (if it's low numbered), and pj washington (stuff currently on fire) another hundo.

That's about 400 off rip. Those other singles including the Clarke may just get there.

People are getting too caught up with big names. Majority of value comes in the other stuff.
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