General 2007 Bowman Chrome discussion

CaptainBOHICA · 11-04-2007, 10:56 AM

didn't want to hijack all the other threads with my question so i decided to make this general thread....

but do you guys think that a "master set" that includes all the rookie cards #'d 1-55 would sell better than just a master set with rookies #56- ?

or do you think the lower numbered rookies will not affect the master set price?

otmack2o · 11-04-2007, 11:32 AM

You might get $5 - $10 extra for having rookies 1-55 included

CaptainBOHICA · 11-04-2007, 11:34 AM

eh. might not worth the extra hassle of purchasing those sets then lol

jebjeb1 · 11-04-2007, 03:25 PM

What do you guys think the best way to move the chrome RCs might be? I was thinking about doing 10 card lots like in baseball but there just doesn't seem to be much demand for anyone other than the top rookies in the set. If I bust I'm assuming I will be lucky to get $5 for the base non-rc chrome sets.

Jughead · 11-04-2007, 03:48 PM

Lots don't work in football because prospectors are the reason baseball lots make money. You just have to do team sets (if you're early) or complete sets.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-04-2007, 04:39 PM

how much should master sets go for?

would master sets be the way to go? i think someone said before that its harder to move football team lots than it is with baseball team lots

jebjeb1 · 11-04-2007, 05:00 PM

You will get a ton of base A Peterson cards in each case so you have to figure out the best way to use those cards to maximize your sales. If he has a few more big games these will be the draw of the release so you have to decide if Peterson will help drive set sales or if you are better off selling him as singles.

My guess is Peterson single chrome cards will fetch at least $25 out of the gate so a master set if the market is not flooded might be good for $60 each.

otmack2o · 11-04-2007, 05:11 PM

Hell, Lynch had 29 carries for 153 yards and a TD today. I think that these two alone can drive up the prices on Bowman Chrome football.

I think that a lot of Lynch items are a bargain right now.

jebjeb1 · 11-04-2007, 05:23 PM

I think all the big RCs except Peterson are on sale right now. None of the top QBs picked are starting except Edwards and there is way to much talent there for these guys not to make an impact next year. Selvin Young will be starting the rest of the season once Henry is kicked out of the league on Monday and Michael Bush in Oakland would have been a second round pick if healthy will be playing in a few weeks. I also like the long term future for Calvin Johnson (no suprise), Dwayne Bowe in KC and James Jones in GB.

Jughead · 11-04-2007, 05:26 PM

Henry is going to make this wait till the off-season. Sell Selvin cards now.

Same story for Marshawn as with AP. Imagine if he had a better QB in Buffelkill.

jebjeb1 · 11-05-2007, 10:52 AM

Now I may be breaking instead of selling my cases.

I doubt this will last when Bowman Chrome is released in 3 weeks, but Peterson BASE Topps Chrome RCs are fetching a steady $35 on Ebay right now. A base Topps Chrome auto went for $450. This should move Bowman Chrome pricing up this week.

Each case of Bowman Chrome will yield 3-4 base Peterson RCs. Now the big question will be how to sell these guys?

I think the encased uncirculated box topper Peterson cards will be $75 early on and on multiple cases you should have no trouble landing a few of these guys.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 10:55 AM

where do you draw the line between selling the hot RC's as singles vs selling them within a master set?

if my numbers were right and barring any weird collation issues, you should get about 5 rookie sets/case, and about 3 base sets/case....

maybe it all depends on early pricing on master sets vs rookie sets vs rookie singles

jebjeb1 · 11-05-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainBOHICA

maybe it all depends on early pricing on master sets vs rookie sets vs rookie singles

Bingo. Sets are a lot less work to ship, but sometimes slices of pie sell better than the whole pie.

You have to figure the top 5 rookies will sell for at least $55 as singles early on so you have to make sure sets fetch at least more than that.

Peterson - $30
Lynch - $10
Russell - $5
Quinn - $5
C. Johnson - $5

Can't tell who how many times I have sold 2-3 cards from a set for more than what the set was worth and ended up with thousands of singles I end of just trashing. Don't worry Jug, next time I will send them your way for free.

otmack2o · 11-05-2007, 11:03 AM

Captain, at one RC per pack, you are looking at 3.27 of each rookie card per case.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 11:06 AM

this might be more of a problem for those only busting one case vs those busting more than one case. i plan on getting at least 3 cases and I had in mind to try to make 5-6 master sets, then a few team lots, and a few rookie sets , etc

my big thing right now is figuring out pricing for a master set, then in my head, pricing for everything else will fall into place

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by otmack2o

Captain, at one RC per pack, you are looking at 3.27 of each rookie card per case.

IF collation is halfway decent. hopefully the early breakers will have something good to say about collation, right?

jebjeb1 · 11-05-2007, 11:12 AM

Topps Chrome FB sets are moving for $100 to $150 last night so that should be a good starting point for Bowman Chrome sets.

Do you remember what you got last year per set?

This is when you might actually hope collation is "bad" where you get 5 Alan Branch RCs in 4 cases and 15 Peterson rookies.

Keep in mind the hype will die down for Peterson in a few weeks.

otmack2o · 11-05-2007, 11:21 AM

I can remember selling a Bowman Chrome set of 220 cards (110 vets and 110 RCs) for around $100, but that was a few months after the product released.

zammos1 · 11-05-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jebjeb1

Keep in mind the hype will die down for Peterson in a few weeks.

If he approaches 2,000 yards it won't.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebjeb1

Topps Chrome FB sets are moving for $100 to $150 last night so that should be a good starting point for Bowman Chrome sets.

if that is with topps chrome, then depending on how the rc class does leading up to release, do you think that 175-200 for a master set is a reach?

if thats the case, and IF you can put together 3 master sets/case, then i personally would be all about putting together master sets, selling the top named parallels as singles, lower named parallels in lots

even at 150/master set i would be inclined to do so. (150x3 = 450, leaves you 100 or so to break even.. and with all the parallels/autos - could be easy)

but thats if all the IF's fall into place.

otmack2o · 11-05-2007, 11:34 AM

I don't think that Bowman Chrome 165 card sets should out sell Topps Chrome 265 card sets.

For one, Topps Chrome is more expensive per box. Secondly, there are 100 RCs in Topps Chrome and they are inserted 1 per every other pack. For Bowman Chrome, there are 55 RCs and they are inserted 1 per pack.

I am sure that initially after release the Bowman Chrome sets will sell for more than what the Topps Chrome sets are at that time, but I think the Bowman Chrome set price will fall below the Topps Chrome set price pretty quickly.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 11:40 AM

so what do you think a good range for a master set should go for in the week or two around the release date, tony?

jebjeb1 · 11-05-2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainBOHICA

if that is with topps chrome, then depending on how the rc class does leading up to release, do you think that 175-200 for a master set is a reach?

if thats the case, and IF you can put together 3 master sets/case, then i personally would be all about putting together master sets, selling the top named parallels as singles, lower named parallels in lots

even at 150/master set i would be inclined to do so. (150x3 = 450, leaves you 100 or so to break even.. and with all the parallels/autos - could be easy)

but thats if all the IF's fall into place.

I think $125 to $150 is more reasonable. Peterson won't rush for 300 yards every week even if he break the rookie rushing record.

CaptainBOHICA · 11-05-2007, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebjeb1

I think $125 to $150 is more reasonable. Peterson won't rush for 300 yards every week even if he break the rookie rushing record.

i still might try to put together a couple master sets... its just the time it takes to sort a master set vs sorting team sets and what would sell vs what teams will not sell...

i dont know. maybe the presellers will do all the pricing work for us

kirkoff · 11-05-2007, 01:17 PM

I am thinking of doing one case but based on past discussions on the board, one case is risky. Only having 55 rookie's in the set may help that though?

11-04-2007, 10:56 AM	#1
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	General 2007 Bowman Chrome discussion didn't want to hijack all the other threads with my question so i decided to make this general thread.... but do you guys think that a "master set" that includes all the rookie cards #'d 1-55 would sell better than just a master set with rookies #56- ? or do you think the lower numbered rookies will not affect the master set price?

11-04-2007, 11:32 AM	#2
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	You might get $5 - $10 extra for having rookies 1-55 included __________________ #VARKNATION

11-04-2007, 05:11 PM	#8
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	Hell, Lynch had 29 carries for 153 yards and a TD today. I think that these two alone can drive up the prices on Bowman Chrome football. I think that a lot of Lynch items are a bargain right now. __________________ #VARKNATION

11-04-2007, 05:26 PM	#10
Jughead Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 618 fastandfriendlyservice	Henry is going to make this wait till the off-season. Sell Selvin cards now. Same story for Marshawn as with AP. Imagine if he had a better QB in Buffelkill. __________________ Sportlots: svscards http://joelshitshow.com There's just too many posts to read. If you need me for something, please send me a PM.

11-05-2007, 11:03 AM	#14
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	Captain, at one RC per pack, you are looking at 3.27 of each rookie card per case. __________________ #VARKNATION

11-04-2007, 11:34 AM	#3
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	eh. might not worth the extra hassle of purchasing those sets then lol

11-04-2007, 03:25 PM	#4
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	What do you guys think the best way to move the chrome RCs might be? I was thinking about doing 10 card lots like in baseball but there just doesn't seem to be much demand for anyone other than the top rookies in the set. If I bust I'm assuming I will be lucky to get $5 for the base non-rc chrome sets.

11-04-2007, 03:48 PM	#5
Jughead Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 618 fastandfriendlyservice	Lots don't work in football because prospectors are the reason baseball lots make money. You just have to do team sets (if you're early) or complete sets. __________________ Sportlots: svscards http://joelshitshow.com There's just too many posts to read. If you need me for something, please send me a PM.

11-04-2007, 04:39 PM	#6
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	how much should master sets go for? would master sets be the way to go? i think someone said before that its harder to move football team lots than it is with baseball team lots

11-04-2007, 05:00 PM	#7
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	You will get a ton of base A Peterson cards in each case so you have to figure out the best way to use those cards to maximize your sales. If he has a few more big games these will be the draw of the release so you have to decide if Peterson will help drive set sales or if you are better off selling him as singles. My guess is Peterson single chrome cards will fetch at least $25 out of the gate so a master set if the market is not flooded might be good for $60 each.

11-04-2007, 05:23 PM	#9
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	I think all the big RCs except Peterson are on sale right now. None of the top QBs picked are starting except Edwards and there is way to much talent there for these guys not to make an impact next year. Selvin Young will be starting the rest of the season once Henry is kicked out of the league on Monday and Michael Bush in Oakland would have been a second round pick if healthy will be playing in a few weeks. I also like the long term future for Calvin Johnson (no suprise), Dwayne Bowe in KC and James Jones in GB.

11-05-2007, 10:52 AM	#11
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	Now I may be breaking instead of selling my cases. I doubt this will last when Bowman Chrome is released in 3 weeks, but Peterson BASE Topps Chrome RCs are fetching a steady $35 on Ebay right now. A base Topps Chrome auto went for $450. This should move Bowman Chrome pricing up this week. Each case of Bowman Chrome will yield 3-4 base Peterson RCs. Now the big question will be how to sell these guys? I think the encased uncirculated box topper Peterson cards will be $75 early on and on multiple cases you should have no trouble landing a few of these guys.

11-05-2007, 10:55 AM	#12
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	where do you draw the line between selling the hot RC's as singles vs selling them within a master set? if my numbers were right and barring any weird collation issues, you should get about 5 rookie sets/case, and about 3 base sets/case.... maybe it all depends on early pricing on master sets vs rookie sets vs rookie singles

11-05-2007, 11:06 AM	#15
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	this might be more of a problem for those only busting one case vs those busting more than one case. i plan on getting at least 3 cases and I had in mind to try to make 5-6 master sets, then a few team lots, and a few rookie sets , etc my big thing right now is figuring out pricing for a master set, then in my head, pricing for everything else will fall into place

11-05-2007, 11:12 AM	#17
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	Topps Chrome FB sets are moving for $100 to $150 last night so that should be a good starting point for Bowman Chrome sets. Do you remember what you got last year per set? This is when you might actually hope collation is "bad" where you get 5 Alan Branch RCs in 4 cases and 15 Peterson rookies. Keep in mind the hype will die down for Peterson in a few weeks.

11-05-2007, 11:21 AM	#18
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	I can remember selling a Bowman Chrome set of 220 cards (110 vets and 110 RCs) for around $100, but that was a few months after the product released. __________________ #VARKNATION

11-05-2007, 11:34 AM	#21
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	I don't think that Bowman Chrome 165 card sets should out sell Topps Chrome 265 card sets. For one, Topps Chrome is more expensive per box. Secondly, there are 100 RCs in Topps Chrome and they are inserted 1 per every other pack. For Bowman Chrome, there are 55 RCs and they are inserted 1 per pack. I am sure that initially after release the Bowman Chrome sets will sell for more than what the Topps Chrome sets are at that time, but I think the Bowman Chrome set price will fall below the Topps Chrome set price pretty quickly. __________________ #VARKNATION

11-05-2007, 11:40 AM	#22
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	so what do you think a good range for a master set should go for in the week or two around the release date, tony?

11-05-2007, 01:17 PM	#25
kirkoff Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Michigan. Posts: 123 jimrules27	I am thinking of doing one case but based on past discussions on the board, one case is risky. Only having 55 rookie's in the set may help that though?