Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush - Page 10

pip · 08-24-2019, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I had a hard time finding another Hingis. Most were likely sacrificed for the Woods. Here you can see one with a fuller right border (i.e., border not cut off):

For Woods to be a "10", many innocent cards must die

pspa123 · 08-24-2019, 11:15 PM

I have a special affinity for this card because back in the day a friend of mine and I were the first to get one graded by PSA (other than a sheet cut one they had graded by mistake earlier). In fact we had to convince them to grade it, they initially refused because of the perfs but we pointed out it was really no different than Berk Ross etc. We got an 8 and sold it on ebay for some utterly ridiculous sum; naturally as others were submitted the price dropped steeply.

Needless to say this business is all vile, although predictable in this dirty hobby.

pip · 08-24-2019, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ods-536-bgs-10

Wow. Really, really, really, really narrow. Looks like a 1948 Leaf football card in a PSA holder. What more evidence do we need to prove that Beckett graders have no idea what they're doing? Back when this was entombed, it was probably a $100,000 card. Isn't that worth the extra 10 seconds it would take a grader to do a google image search?

pspa123 · 08-24-2019, 11:25 PM

At least they only gave it a 9.5 on centering.

pspa123 · 08-24-2019, 11:26 PM

Look at some Star BKB if you want evidence Beckett graders have no clue -- or worse.

superdan49 · 08-24-2019, 11:38 PM

Here's two more. First, one that measures 30 teeth horizontal and 42 teeth vertical. Curiously, the left edge has only 41 teeth. Though that is a concern, I'm going to put it in the acceptable column because it does measure up and the teeth on the top are less prominent than in some of the obviously re-perforated ones. Serial #4132695

https://smalltraditions.com/LotDetai...ventoryid=5363

This is one posted earlier in this thread by pip. I couldn't find the sale, but a decent image of it was in a collector's Pinterest account. It is clearly re-perforated. 28 horizontal/39 vertical is well short of the norm. Cert #4301989. TRIMMED/RE-PERFORATED

auburn35 · 08-25-2019, 12:04 AM

Here's some 9.5's that I was able to find. Obviously I didn't find all of them but curious how many of the (106) 9.5's graded, stayed as 9.5's. Seems really light on sales, for the quantity graded.

3972566 - 29/41
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-SI-For...oAAOSwAitdMk1n
3992128 – Really bad scan, can't get a good count.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-sers-68949134
4030049 – Looks like 28/39
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-kids-rc-bgs-9
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...3-rookie-bgs-9
4183755 – 28/40
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ifk-1965669142
4360127 – 30/42
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-bgs-9-5-gem-1
4867079 - 29/41?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...c-bgs-9-5-w-10
5234397 - 28/40
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ated-166942050

pip · 08-25-2019, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdan49

Here's two more. First, one that measures 30 teeth horizontal and 42 teeth vertical. Curiously, the left edge has only 41 teeth. Though that is a concern, I'm going to put it in the acceptable column because it does measure up and the teeth on the top are less prominent than in some of the obviously re-perforated ones. Serial #4132695

https://smalltraditions.com/LotDetai...ventoryid=5363

Four concerns about this card:

1. There are no chads on any of the corners. Is that even possible on an original card?

2. On legit examples, there appears to be a variety of teeth. Some are longer, some are shorter, which makes sense when the card is detached from the original perforated cards next to it. My thought is that when the new perforations are added by the card doctors, the scoring is of a different pressure, creating teeth that look different and are of a more uniform/precise (non-natural) appearance.

3. Does the right border look a little narrow or is it just me?

4. Original cards appear to have a slight ridge in some areas along the top and bottom edges. This is how the cards were manufactured. This card has none. It's perfectly smooth.

For those reasons (there may be others I don't see), I vote suspect. I still maintain that due to the centering problems, the color (yellow) of the cards next to it, and the nature of the original perforations, it is virtually impossible to find a legitimate "10" 1996 SI For Kids Tiger Woods.

Edited to add: this card was graded much later than most of the other BGS 10s. If it was altered, perhaps it came from a different source that used a machine with the proper calibration.

For comparison:

HarryLime · 08-25-2019, 08:32 AM

I remember years ago reading on CU someone talk about how they got great grades on perforated cards. I know it was a vintage baseball issue but can't remember which one exactly. They said they would bend at the perforations back and forth like you would think, weakening the connections and creating the teeth that we're accustomed to seeing. But, instead of tearing them apart as the last step, they would actually cut them apart with a razor blade so there were no accidents and all the teeth remained intact and with a clean end.

I have no idea if that's why he got high grades but it made sense at the time and always stuck with me. He was basically creating perfect perforations while also creating perfectly clean ends on them and no accidental tears.

Arthur

superdan49 · 08-25-2019, 11:24 AM

This is final BGS 10 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods to be posted. It was sold through Probstein123 on eBay on June 8, 2015. I did not see any other sales of this particular copy. Serial #4265509 28/40 TRIMMED/RE-PERFORATED

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1731682659

Unless someone can find another sale of one of these in a lesser-known auction house or buried in a message board somewhere, this is the complete public sales data for BGS 10 Pristine and Black Label copies of this card. Of the 14 total graded, we've uncovered 8 of them. Of those 8, a full 7 have been determined to be re-perforated and thus altered. This could be a huge scandal especially if Tiger wins another major championship and people try to sell these.

Also, please note that none of the four BGS 10 cards graded in 2005 have surfaced. I do not know the reason for this, but it seems odd to me.

Saraste · 08-25-2019, 03:19 PM

I was poking around and I found a BGS 9.5 that appears was graded just after the time frame posted. It is #5317567.

https://d1w8cc2yygc27j.cloudfront.ne...8155646225.jpg

Here is a BGS 9.5 from the time frame that is not on the list: #4687181. This makes me wonder if #4687180 is also one as #4687179 is on the list.

https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D

Here is another BGS 9.5 not on the list from the timeframe: #4132695.

http://www.smalltraditions.com/ItemI..._1873a_lg.jpeg

superdan49 · 08-25-2019, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraste

I was poking around and I found a BGS 9.5 that appears was graded just after the time frame posted. It is #5317567.

https://d1w8cc2yygc27j.cloudfront.ne...8155646225.jpg

Here is a BGS 9.5 from the time frame that is not on the list: #4687181. This makes me wonder if #4687180 is also one as #4687179 is on the list.

https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D

Here is another BGS 9.5 not on the list from the timeframe: #4132695.

http://www.smalltraditions.com/ItemI..._1873a_lg.jpeg

I think that last one is not on the list because it was the card that was bumped from a BGS 9.5 to a BGS 10. It seems Small Traditions sold the BGS 9.5, the winner bumped it, and consigned it back to Small Traditions.

BGS 9.5: http://www.smalltraditions.com/LotDe...ventoryid=1873
BGS 10: https://smalltraditions.com/LotDetai...ventoryid=5363

The card was first bought at Mile High Card Company in October 2012 for $1,279. Looks like whoever sold the BGS 9.5 at Small Traditions took a small loss. I wonder who won it and then bumped it? Weird.
http://www.milehighcardco.com/1996_s...-lot25442.aspx

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socak1 · 08-26-2019, 08:15 AM

First post!

Thanks for all the great information on here guys. I'm the owner of a PSA 8. When I originally got the grade/card back I felt it deserved a 9 but oh well...what can you do? NOW, I really believe I should have at least a 9 if my card was in any way compared to these fraudulent 10s.

Treadstone · 08-31-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Angle shooting can be done in turn as well, doesn’t have to be out of turn. Example: grabbing a stack of chips and moving over the betting line as if to bet, but never letting them touch the felt and leave your hand to see if the person acting after you will muck/instacall/etc. either way he is clearly a lowlife scumbag

So to sum up a lifelong career cheater in whatever he does?

Bruins1993 · 08-31-2019, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socak1

First post!

Thanks for all the great information on here guys. I'm the owner of a PSA 8. When I originally got the grade/card back I felt it deserved a 9 but oh well...what can you do? NOW, I really believe I should have at least a 9 if my card was in any way compared to these fraudulent 10s.

And that 9 isn't going to be worth as much when populations are filled with altered 10's in my opinion

superdan49 · 08-31-2019, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

And that 9 isn't going to be worth as much when populations are filled with altered 10's in my opinion

Folks who bought or graded legit PSA/BGS 9's are also victims of these scammers. Their cards are devalued.

I'll revisit the PSA 10s of this card in a few months unless someone else does in the meantime. My theory is most of those are re-perfed as well, although I found out yesterday some collectors don't care as long as the holder says PSA 10.

cking · 08-31-2019, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdan49

Folks who bought or graded legit PSA/BGS 9's are also victims of these scammers. Their cards are devalued.

I'll revisit the PSA 10s of this card in a few months unless someone else does in the meantime. My theory is most of those are re-perfed as well, although I found out yesterday some collectors don't care as long as the holder says PSA 10.

I dont collect graded cards but if I did and I had a card that I knew was not truly a 10 but it got a 10 anyway when graded..............it would drive me nuts.

I find it very odd that some people dont care if the cards they buy are trimmed.

They are being taken advantage of. And they seem ok with it.

dustin42 · 08-31-2019, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cking

I dont collect graded cards but if I did and I had a card that I knew was not truly a 10 but it got a 10 anyway when graded..............it would drive me nuts.

I find it very odd that some people dont care if the cards they buy are trimmed.

They are being taken advantage of. And they seem ok with it.

They do. They just won't say it because of pride.

cking · 08-31-2019, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin42

They do. They just won't say it because of pride.

I agree...to an extent.

But I think it has more to do with money then anything else.

dustin42 · 08-31-2019, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cking

I agree...to an extent.

But I think it has more to do with money then anything else.

same difference lol! they got taken by con artists.

Scottish Punk · 08-31-2019, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cking

I agree...to an extent.

But I think it has more to do with money then anything else.

And registry. There is a percentage of PSA collectors who collect the slab more than the card. Some are on this board.

ThoseBackPages · 08-31-2019, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

And registry. There is a percentage of PSA collectors who collect the slab more than the card. Some are on this board.

a LARGE percentage, at that

HarryLime · 09-01-2019, 11:16 AM

That's why I think the long-term impact of this horseshirt will be small to nil. Most people WANT graded cards to work. They like the entire premise of it and all the aspects that accompany it. There's just no way around it. People can scream until their lungs burn but I think the average collector just wants to have the perceived security, the liquidity, and the fun they get from graded/ card registry.

The most messed up thing about all of this, remember, is that NO ONE can detect any of these trimmings. In all of these threads, nobody is pulling out trimmed cards without first finding cards by seller/purchaser and then looking for before pics. As great as BODA is, they can't keep up with current submissions, not to mention that it would require they know where to start looking in the first place.

So what do you do when you have a problem that cannot be detected?

As someone who continues to use PSA but has also become increasing dissatisfied with what I'm seeing and hearing come out of the company, these are things I would like to see done.

1. They need multiple FULL-TIME people combing eBay for serial-numbered cards and ripping scans. They need to build a massive database of card scans that every serial-numbered card that gets submitted for grading can be cross-referenced against. Yes, this is only serial-numbered cards but that's still a good chunk of modern and will cover many of the important cards moving forward in the future.

2. Every card should be measured and those dimensions should be posted on the back of the flip. I can't take credit for this idea, but it's brilliant and should be implemented. TRANSPARENCY WILL INCREASE CUSTOMER CONFIDENCE. Let people know EXACTLY what the parameters are for each individual issue. This should be marked right above the card's actual measurements. I'm talking EXACT, micrometers. This should be possible and since trimming off a millimeter seems possible as well, necessary.

3. Create a cancellation process. Once a submission hits a certain number of cards that are rejected for EvidTrim, the whole submission stops the grading process and is returned to the customer. No cards in the submission receive a grade and the customer is only charged for X number of trimmed cards. You could do this by flat number, say 5 trimmed cards, or by percentage, say 10%.

4. This won't be popular with many but I personally would like to see a security measure added to the slab to prevent cracking cards out. Whether it's an ink strip around the border or something like that but if you want your card given another shot, you submit it in the slab under the review service. Otherwise, you take the grade you got that first time and live with it. Having reviewed thousands of cards I've submitted after they come back, I'd say 98% of the time that I got a 9 when I thought it should have gotten a 10, I find the flaw when I get the card back in-hand.

5. I want to know who is banned from submitting. One of the biggest problems with the hobby in how incestual it is. People afraid to call the a-holes out for being a-holes and so they're allowed to roam free and continue to act with impunity. If someone has done something to the point where PSA has banned them from grading, the hobby as a whole deserves to know.

6. I don't ever want to hear publicly from Joe O. again. Personally, I like Joe and think he did a great job building PSA's brand and creating tech advancements to better enjoy the hobby. But he is a walking PR nightmare when it comes to making public statements. I want to hear from Steve and THAT'S IT. Steve understands what collectors are feeling and want and he genuinely wants to cater to that. SO MUCH of the bullsh*t they're covered in now could have been avoided by a half-decent PR person and having Steve be the public voice of PSA.

7. An online provenance log for cards. You sell a card to someone? You can go in and enter their name to the cert # and the date. This is beneficial in both keeping track of cards chronologically but also in establishing the security of cards, if only one person has owned for 12 years, that's pretty safe. It should start automatically with the name of the submitter. There's no reason this should be confidential information. A numerical code could be printed on the back of the flip in a hologramy way so that the only way you can read it is in-hand, that way you have to have the card in order to update the info.

If, tomorrow, PSA announces that from now on all submitter's name info will publicly available online, do you know how many people will bitch and moan? Thousands.
Do you know how many will stop submitting? Tens.
In the end, who really cares if someone knows I got a 10 on that Acuna Chrome rookie?

Hell, most people post their subs anyway. And this would be great if you're trying to sell that tough card. Everyone just saw that you got it.

In general, I want some god damn transparency.

Arthur

pspa123 · 09-01-2019, 11:25 AM

Joe is the CEO of Collectors Universe. He is going to be the one talking on the quarterly analyst calls. We are going to hear from him, over and over again, nightmare or not.

I don't know Steve, people say nice things about him, but I was not impressed at all with his statement of a few months ago.

I would love to see transparency, but that is completely antithetical to the way PSA has chosen to do business and with Joe at the helm I don't see that changing.

HarryLime · 09-01-2019, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pspa123

Joe is the CEO of Collectors Universe. He is going to be the one talking on the quarterly analyst calls. We are going to hear from him, over and over again, nightmare or not.

I don't know Steve, people say nice things about him, but I was not impressed at all with his statement of a few months ago.

I would love to see transparency, but that is completely antithetical to the way PSA has chosen to do business and with Joe at the helm I don't see that changing.

I'm not talking about the conf call. When this started, Steve was handling communication to the public. At some point, that stopped and the public statements started coming from Joe.

Arthur

ETA: But yeah, you can call the conf call the straw that broke the camel's back.

08-24-2019, 11:15 PM	#227
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,771	I have a special affinity for this card because back in the day a friend of mine and I were the first to get one graded by PSA (other than a sheet cut one they had graded by mistake earlier). In fact we had to convince them to grade it, they initially refused because of the perfs but we pointed out it was really no different than Berk Ross etc. We got an 8 and sold it on ebay for some utterly ridiculous sum; naturally as others were submitted the price dropped steeply. Needless to say this business is all vile, although predictable in this dirty hobby. Last edited by pspa123; 08-24-2019 at 11:17 PM.

08-24-2019, 11:38 PM	#231
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Here's two more. First, one that measures 30 teeth horizontal and 42 teeth vertical. Curiously, the left edge has only 41 teeth. Though that is a concern, I'm going to put it in the acceptable column because it does measure up and the teeth on the top are less prominent than in some of the obviously re-perforated ones. Serial #4132695 https://smalltraditions.com/LotDetai...ventoryid=5363 This is one posted earlier in this thread by pip. I couldn't find the sale, but a decent image of it was in a collector's Pinterest account. It is clearly re-perforated. 28 horizontal/39 vertical is well short of the norm. Cert #4301989. TRIMMED/RE-PERFORATED __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line Last edited by superdan49; 08-25-2019 at 11:13 AM.

08-25-2019, 12:04 AM	#232
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,443	Here's some 9.5's that I was able to find. Obviously I didn't find all of them but curious how many of the (106) 9.5's graded, stayed as 9.5's. Seems really light on sales, for the quantity graded. 3972566 - 29/41 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-SI-For...oAAOSwAitdMk1n 3992128 – Really bad scan, can't get a good count. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-sers-68949134 4030049 – Looks like 28/39 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-kids-rc-bgs-9 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...3-rookie-bgs-9 4183755 – 28/40 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ifk-1965669142 4360127 – 30/42 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-bgs-9-5-gem-1 4867079 - 29/41? https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...c-bgs-9-5-w-10 5234397 - 28/40 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ated-166942050 __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

08-25-2019, 11:24 AM	#235
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	This is final BGS 10 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods to be posted. It was sold through Probstein123 on eBay on June 8, 2015. I did not see any other sales of this particular copy. Serial #4265509 28/40 TRIMMED/RE-PERFORATED https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1731682659 Unless someone can find another sale of one of these in a lesser-known auction house or buried in a message board somewhere, this is the complete public sales data for BGS 10 Pristine and Black Label copies of this card. Of the 14 total graded, we've uncovered 8 of them. Of those 8, a full 7 have been determined to be re-perforated and thus altered. This could be a huge scandal especially if Tiger wins another major championship and people try to sell these. Also, please note that none of the four BGS 10 cards graded in 2005 have surfaced. I do not know the reason for this, but it seems odd to me. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

08-25-2019, 03:19 PM	#236
Saraste Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sound Asleep Posts: 19,865 kesscards	I was poking around and I found a BGS 9.5 that appears was graded just after the time frame posted. It is #5317567. https://d1w8cc2yygc27j.cloudfront.ne...8155646225.jpg Here is a BGS 9.5 from the time frame that is not on the list: #4687181. This makes me wonder if #4687180 is also one as #4687179 is on the list. https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D Here is another BGS 9.5 not on the list from the timeframe: #4132695. http://www.smalltraditions.com/ItemI..._1873a_lg.jpeg __________________ The strange looks I get from customers at shows when they are selling and I ask for NASCAR! Which is the most accurate voice to read posts in: Saraste as a corpse - oldgoldy97 12/19/23

08-24-2019, 11:25 PM	#229
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,771	At least they only gave it a 9.5 on centering.

08-24-2019, 11:26 PM	#230
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,771	Look at some Star BKB if you want evidence Beckett graders have no clue -- or worse.

08-25-2019, 08:32 AM	#234
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	I remember years ago reading on CU someone talk about how they got great grades on perforated cards. I know it was a vintage baseball issue but can't remember which one exactly. They said they would bend at the perforations back and forth like you would think, weakening the connections and creating the teeth that we're accustomed to seeing. But, instead of tearing them apart as the last step, they would actually cut them apart with a razor blade so there were no accidents and all the teeth remained intact and with a clean end. I have no idea if that's why he got high grades but it made sense at the time and always stuck with me. He was basically creating perfect perforations while also creating perfectly clean ends on them and no accidental tears. Arthur

08-26-2019, 08:15 AM	#238
socak1 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Georgia Posts: 68	First post! Thanks for all the great information on here guys. I'm the owner of a PSA 8. When I originally got the grade/card back I felt it deserved a 9 but oh well...what can you do? NOW, I really believe I should have at least a 9 if my card was in any way compared to these fraudulent 10s.

09-01-2019, 11:16 AM	#248
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	That's why I think the long-term impact of this horseshirt will be small to nil. Most people WANT graded cards to work. They like the entire premise of it and all the aspects that accompany it. There's just no way around it. People can scream until their lungs burn but I think the average collector just wants to have the perceived security, the liquidity, and the fun they get from graded/ card registry. The most messed up thing about all of this, remember, is that NO ONE can detect any of these trimmings. In all of these threads, nobody is pulling out trimmed cards without first finding cards by seller/purchaser and then looking for before pics. As great as BODA is, they can't keep up with current submissions, not to mention that it would require they know where to start looking in the first place. So what do you do when you have a problem that cannot be detected? As someone who continues to use PSA but has also become increasing dissatisfied with what I'm seeing and hearing come out of the company, these are things I would like to see done. 1. They need multiple FULL-TIME people combing eBay for serial-numbered cards and ripping scans. They need to build a massive database of card scans that every serial-numbered card that gets submitted for grading can be cross-referenced against. Yes, this is only serial-numbered cards but that's still a good chunk of modern and will cover many of the important cards moving forward in the future. 2. Every card should be measured and those dimensions should be posted on the back of the flip. I can't take credit for this idea, but it's brilliant and should be implemented. TRANSPARENCY WILL INCREASE CUSTOMER CONFIDENCE. Let people know EXACTLY what the parameters are for each individual issue. This should be marked right above the card's actual measurements. I'm talking EXACT, micrometers. This should be possible and since trimming off a millimeter seems possible as well, necessary. 3. Create a cancellation process. Once a submission hits a certain number of cards that are rejected for EvidTrim, the whole submission stops the grading process and is returned to the customer. No cards in the submission receive a grade and the customer is only charged for X number of trimmed cards. You could do this by flat number, say 5 trimmed cards, or by percentage, say 10%. 4. This won't be popular with many but I personally would like to see a security measure added to the slab to prevent cracking cards out. Whether it's an ink strip around the border or something like that but if you want your card given another shot, you submit it in the slab under the review service. Otherwise, you take the grade you got that first time and live with it. Having reviewed thousands of cards I've submitted after they come back, I'd say 98% of the time that I got a 9 when I thought it should have gotten a 10, I find the flaw when I get the card back in-hand. 5. I want to know who is banned from submitting. One of the biggest problems with the hobby in how incestual it is. People afraid to call the a-holes out for being a-holes and so they're allowed to roam free and continue to act with impunity. If someone has done something to the point where PSA has banned them from grading, the hobby as a whole deserves to know. 6. I don't ever want to hear publicly from Joe O. again. Personally, I like Joe and think he did a great job building PSA's brand and creating tech advancements to better enjoy the hobby. But he is a walking PR nightmare when it comes to making public statements. I want to hear from Steve and THAT'S IT. Steve understands what collectors are feeling and want and he genuinely wants to cater to that. SO MUCH of the bullsh*t they're covered in now could have been avoided by a half-decent PR person and having Steve be the public voice of PSA. 7. An online provenance log for cards. You sell a card to someone? You can go in and enter their name to the cert # and the date. This is beneficial in both keeping track of cards chronologically but also in establishing the security of cards, if only one person has owned for 12 years, that's pretty safe. It should start automatically with the name of the submitter. There's no reason this should be confidential information. A numerical code could be printed on the back of the flip in a hologramy way so that the only way you can read it is in-hand, that way you have to have the card in order to update the info. If, tomorrow, PSA announces that from now on all submitter's name info will publicly available online, do you know how many people will bitch and moan? Thousands. Do you know how many will stop submitting? Tens. In the end, who really cares if someone knows I got a 10 on that Acuna Chrome rookie? Hell, most people post their subs anyway. And this would be great if you're trying to sell that tough card. Everyone just saw that you got it. In general, I want some god damn transparency. Arthur

09-01-2019, 11:25 AM	#249
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,771	Joe is the CEO of Collectors Universe. He is going to be the one talking on the quarterly analyst calls. We are going to hear from him, over and over again, nightmare or not. I don't know Steve, people say nice things about him, but I was not impressed at all with his statement of a few months ago. I would love to see transparency, but that is completely antithetical to the way PSA has chosen to do business and with Joe at the helm I don't see that changing. Last edited by pspa123; 09-01-2019 at 11:29 AM.