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Due to the relatively short time span in which these were graded, could it be possible that someone got hold of unperforated sheets and then perfed them with the wrong tpi?
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I think that's precisely what happened. We need to look at how many gem mint 9.5 grades were awarded during that period as well. The doctor or doctors then slow-rolled these out to BGS for grading, a few per month. Likely so as not to arouse suspicion. The question then becomes did they run out of re-perfed Tigers or did Beckett catch onto the scam in early 2007?
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This is a good chart. At $20,000 to $100,000 per card, this has the potential for some pretty significant fraud.
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It's definitely a significant chunk of change. Buyers are likely SOL though as there is no recourse with Beckett. In any event, I believe that was a different ownership group during that time period. I'll add the ones Auburn35 found tonight so there will be an updated look at the chart.
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0004360204
![]() https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Tiger-...-/183776258195 I'm counting 28 (top) and 40 (right-side)
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28 teeth across the top. No corner chads. Golf club too close to edge. Recut card.
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This Woods SI fraud is huge. Bigger than anything that's been unearthed to date, IMO.
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Here's the 67 cards graded 9.5, from the same date range.
The cards in bold, are likely submitted with the previously revealed BGS 10 cards, based on serial numbers. 3626064 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3738550 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3774354 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3774355 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3778127 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3784122 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3801318 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3820130 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3851244 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3878933 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 3879172 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 3896898 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 3896899 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9 9.5 9.5 3898676 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3913582 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3917723 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 3954024 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 10 9.5 9.5 3954025 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 10 9 9.5 9.5 3954411 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 3965378 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 3969954 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 3972566 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 3985736 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 3992126 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 3992127 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 3992128 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 4013570 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4018998 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 4019355 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 10 9.5 9.5 4019608 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 10 9 9.5 9.5 4021146 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4021147 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4022953 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4022954 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4030049 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4030050 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4030051 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4030052 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4046429 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 4056550 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4068387 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 4068388 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4071758 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 10 9.5 4115777 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 4115778 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 4133031 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4157210 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4157211 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4183754 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 4183755 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 4183756 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 4199088 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 10 9.5 9.5 4199235 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4199236 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 4360127 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4414256 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4687179 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4797604 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 10 9.5 9 9.5 4814735 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4867079 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 4961589 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 4983756 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 4983757 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 5232519 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 5234395 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 5234396 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 5234397 Golf 1996 Sports Illustrated for Kids II Tiger Woods/Golf 9 10 9.5 9.5 9.5
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In terms of known alterations of a particular card, it could be. If the current discovery trend continues, we might be talking $1 million+ in BGS 9.5s and 10s. That doesn't include anything that PSA has put in a holder. Not yet at least.
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Correction. #2 after a certain tobacco card bearing the portrait of a famous Pittsburgh Pirates' shortstop.
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Now we need to try and find some of these 9.5's and do similar dental records (counting teeth). Would also help, finding the original submitter of these cards.
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This could end up being a huge takedown for the FBI if they choose to subpoena Beckett submission records. I hope they're reading this. It's time to get sh*t like this out of the hobby.
Maybe the Tiger Woods stuff should be its own thread. |
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Wow, nice work Auburn. We can probably dig a lot of those up 9.5's. I think it's safe to assume almost all will be altered. Maybe a handful are legit.
Here's two more I marked up. And the updated chart. This first one is the one Bruins posted above. I marked it up. Currently for sale on eBay from seller jmxw3. Serial #4360204 28 horizontal/40 vertical. TRIMMED/RE-PEFORATED https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Tiger-...-/183776258195 ![]() This next one was last sold publicly in April 2007 (hence the substandard photo). It was graded on 3/29/07, so likely Windy City Card Company, the seller, was either selling it for the submitter or was the actual submitter of the card to BGS. Serial #4983640 27/37(!!) Look how the club head touches the left edge and how short the right edge is. Beckett must have thought the Tiger Woods SIFK cards came as minis. TRIMMED/RE-PEFORATED https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ods-536-bgs-10
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For further perf reference, these three cards are immediately adjacent to the center Tiger Woods card in the nine card panel:
All three cards have the same perf tooth count which are different than many of the graded Tiger Woods cards. Woods' card should not be different if it is to be considered a legitimate magazine perforated panel card. Card above Woods: ![]() Card to the left of Woods: ![]() Card to the right of Woods:
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30 teeth on bottom of Stackhouse
41 teeth to the right of Finley 41 teeth to the left of Hingis
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It is the outside card - furthest from the spine of the magazine and obviously trimmed short in width to fit the nine card panel in the magazine. Look at the difference in the border design from the other cards or even on the left side of that card... the right border is mostly cut off.
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I had a hard time finding another Hingis. Most were likely sacrificed for the Woods. Here you can see one with a fuller right border (i.e., border not cut off):
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