Issue with BBCE Box

[trmpetyjo]

Originally Posted by cobravetteki

Recently opened 3 89 upperdeck Low series BBCE FASC boxes and pulled 0 Griffey’s...

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

[JustinZZZ]

Originally Posted by salthill

What do his YouTube viewers have to do with his eBay listings?

https://ebay.us/gSy4QS
Title... “Javier Baez Home Run Ball Game Used Major League Baseball 9/4/17 Chicago Cubs”
With that title I’d expect that to be a ball Javy Baez hit for a home run during the Cubs game on 9/4/17.
Plot twist ... the Cubs scored zero runs in that game.

He's totally trying to deceive people by these titles for items, knowing there are a lot of buyers who don't even scroll down to see detailed descriptions in listings. The 9/22/17 Molina "game used" home run ball is another, nope dude didn't hit home run in the game, but unfortunately if you don't scroll down to see the youtube video and real description you wouldn't know it's from batting practice.

Yes, buyers should pay attention to full listings, but it doesn't change the fact that this dude is a POS for saying items are game used in listings.

[NickM]

Originally Posted by trmpetyjo

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

BBCE should not be certifying any boxes as FASC unless they saw the case opened. If they did see the case opened, I'd love to hear how someone pulled the Griffey packs and replaced them, and still got the FASC certification.

[NickM]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That's how Steve handles things. I think he made a smart, calculated PR move. He's going to lose hundreds on the box but 1.) avoid any and all image problems and 2.) probably pick up some business from people for "doing the right thing."

I don't think it will come back to bite him because it was a case of a box consisting of cards entirely from one single sheet AND the break was entirely recorded. That's rare multiplied by rare to the "normal people would understand that's the risk of busting wax"nth power. I'd be surprised if those circumstances replicated themselves again AND it was an expensive box.

Arthur

The boxes where odd collations like one-sheet usage are most likely to happen are the more vintage boxes, where the quality control at Topps was less. Those are the more expensive boxes.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by NickM

BBCE should not be certifying any boxes as FASC unless they saw the case opened. If they did see the case opened, I'd love to hear how someone pulled the Griffey packs and replaced them, and still got the FASC certification.

They only label it FASC if it is from an unopened case. I remember seeing a post recently on here or on the CU forums that boxes from a case were not labeled FASC because one of the flaps on the box was partially opened.

And regarding an earlier post, it is common to not get a Griffey in an 1989 low series box and then see 2 or 3 in another box.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by trmpetyjo

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

That's why FASC carries a premium. It comes from a sealed case. Still, you are not guaranteed a Griffey in a box.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by trmpetyjo

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

From a sealed case.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by trmpetyjo

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

I want to be snarky, esp after my prior comments about people in this hobby not understanding odds, probability, variance, and standard deviation.

Instead I’ll just agree with prior posts that these were from a sealed case, collation in 1989 Upper Deck was poor, and even if it wasn’t, there’s more cards in a set than there was in a was box, and as such you are not guaranteed a Griffey rookie in a box.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I want to be snarky, esp after my prior comments about people in this hobby not understanding odds, probability, variance, and standard deviation.

Instead I’ll just agree with prior posts that these were from a sealed case, collation in 1989 Upper Deck was poor, and even if it wasn’t, there’s more cards in a set than there was in a was box, and as such you are not guaranteed a Griffey rookie in a box.

Damn it. I didn't click on it the first time through but you had to reference it again, didn't you? It's amazing what the desire to "be in the know" can do to people.

When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

Arthur

[free2131]

Originally Posted by ottobord

Yeah especially since he directs you to the actual video in his description, but maybe he's preying on those who don't have YouTube access

Can you at least admit that referring to the balls he catches as "game used" when they are in fact caught during batting practice is not the correct way to list them?

You don't have to assume he is doing this intentionally to trick people, but can you see how that is not accurate?

[MikePiazzaPC]

Originally Posted by trmpetyjo

That's because you could find the Griffey Rc without opening packs. So someone pulled the Griffey packs before they had BBCE wrap the boxes

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=683581&page=2

it was also a 700 card set with bad coalation and you only got 540 cards to box but hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[lesternatty]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

I created a thread about Jabs Family a month or so ago. I think his videos are creepy. The guy travels the east coast to weird flea markets every day with a camera on his chest. He seems clueless about cards. He has an account on blowout, but I am not sure what the username is. I have loved cards since I was a little kid, but jeez Jabs Family has a lot of time on his hands.

lol what is creepy about going to a flea market? The guys with 10k posts might be the one with too much time on his hands...

[abcd1234]

I paid 80 some dollars or more a while back when bbce was starting..........for 1985 topps box.... although it was bought on ebay, I think the seller was not bbce....I sat on it for a while and broke down to open it. No different year packs but something was seriously wrong with the packs.......the box outside looked normal, but the cards were stuck together as water damaged every pack in that box. I did not have that box anywhere near water and from the outside sealed, it looked legit.

Because of this experience, I am extremely careful and will not buy packs or boxes pre-90.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by abcd1234

I paid 80 some dollars or more a while back when bbce was starting..........for 1985 topps box.... although it was bought on ebay, I think the seller was not bbce....I sat on it for a while and broke down to open it. No different year packs but something was seriously wrong with the packs.......the box outside looked normal, but the cards were stuck together as water damaged every pack in that box. I did not have that box anywhere near water and from the outside sealed, it looked legit.

Because of this experience, I am extremely careful and will not buy packs or boxes pre-90.

Old wax is a tough proposition. I bought a run of 80’s boxes 4-8 years ago and would not do it at current pricing. I bought to keep sealed. With 80’s and older wax you have two cards lost in each pack to gum and wax, with cello packs you lose 2 cards to gum, and while racks are safer, tons of older racks have already been sequenced and removed and quality control was garbage. And with 90’s stuff, much of it was bricked. Stuff stored for years in Florida is likely crap and stuff with gum from anywhere hot is suspect also. And then you have the crap coallation in products like 1989 UD.

Anyway it’s all a horrible losing proposition at current wax prices.

I remain baffled by people wanting to pull the big rookie out of older wax anyway. It’s not like anyone was thrilled in 1979 to pull an Ozzie Smith card or in 1980 to pull a Rickey Henderson. Those guys didn’t have much of a name until a season or two later, or in the case of Ozzie, until he started hitting in the mid 80’s.

If you want a nice Griffey Jr, buy a psa 9 for less than a box of 89 UD or save up a bit for a 10. You’ll never pull a 10 out of a box anyway. And good lord never ever rip a box of 1993 SP

[abcd1234]

Back when Mark McGwire hit all those home runs.....his cards were expensive... I went to a card show and paid like $15 for a pack of 85' topps...

That experience was awesome. In one pack, I pulled his card from 85'.

I feel like timing and luck plays a huge role in opening vintage wax.

Since that experience, it fueled me to buy a box of 85'.

So years later I have the water story and no, every pack was opened and no McGwire card. Bad experience.

I think with any potential payoff, there is significant risk.

[toad strangler]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Old wax is a tough proposition. I bought a run of 80’s boxes 4-8 years ago and would not do it at current pricing. I bought to keep sealed. With 80’s and older wax you have two cards lost in each pack to gum and wax, with cello packs you lose 2 cards to gum, and while racks are safer, tons of older racks have already been sequenced and removed and quality control was garbage. And with 90’s stuff, much of it was bricked. Stuff stored for years in Florida is likely crap and stuff with gum from anywhere hot is suspect also. And then you have the crap coallation in products like 1989 UD.

Anyway it’s all a horrible losing proposition at current wax prices.

I remain baffled by people wanting to pull the big rookie out of older wax anyway. It’s not like anyone was thrilled in 1979 to pull an Ozzie Smith card or in 1980 to pull a Rickey Henderson. Those guys didn’t have much of a name until a season or two later, or in the case of Ozzie, until he started hitting in the mid 80’s.

If you want a nice Griffey Jr, buy a psa 9 for less than a box of 89 UD or save up a bit for a 10. You’ll never pull a 10 out of a box anyway. And good lord never ever rip a box of 1993 SP

I buy unopened to keep it unopened and display it. Ripping these boxes never ever crosses my mind. On Florida .... AC was invented well before the 70's
Shame on anybody who put stuff in hot storage for lengths of time.

[mj91534]

There is a new idea that jabs resealed the packs himself

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by mj91534

There is a new idea that jabs resealed the packs himself

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Regardless of what we think about Jabs this is highly unlikely. He would have had to duplicate the BBCE shrink wrap (he broke it live on camera). The packs looked perfect (except for one that looks like it got crimped by the machine). Also BBCE informed him that all the cards were from the same sheet. I doubt that he would have taken the time to come up with a scheme to reseal the packs and to use all cards from the same sheet. If anyone were to reseal packs they likely would just use random cards so as not to arouse suspicion.