Rovell reporting fbi subpoenas issued at national - Page 5

cardsforever · 08-04-2019, 06:51 PM

I hope the Feds follow though on this.

I was involved with the Feds on a case (forgeries) and myself, Richard Simon and Shelly Jaffe handed them the case on a silver platter and out of the blue, they decided to drop it.

I really hope they go full blast with this and hold those accountable.

I will be following this.

Kudos to those who started this!!!!

Christopher Williams

skurtis · 08-04-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsforever

Remember that Al Pacino movie "Sea Of Love" where there police sent invitations to people for an autograph session with the NY Yankees, and it was actually a trap to snare those with outstanding warrants.

There was a real one of these for Washington Redskins tickets. I feel like ESPN made a 30 for 30 short on it.

superdan49 · 08-04-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsforever

Remember that Al Pacino movie "Sea Of Love" where there police sent invitations to people for an autograph session with the NY Yankees, and it was actually a trap to snare those with outstanding warrants.

Also this. Skip to 53 seconds.

Sinoth23 · 08-04-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsforever

Remember that Al Pacino movie "Sea Of Love" where there police sent invitations to people for an autograph session with the NY Yankees, and it was actually a trap to snare those with outstanding warrants.

Remember the scene and that's what I thought of when I read that comment. Was it sea of love or serpico?

cardsforever · 08-04-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinoth23

Remember the scene and that's what I thought of when I read that comment. Was it sea of love or serpico?

It was "Sea Of Love."

That scene has always stuck in my head.

If you remember, after they arrested everyone, one guy comes running up to Al Pacino's character with his kid and says to the officer (paraphrasing) "Am I too late (or something like that)" and Pacino flashes his badge and says "Catch you later."

He didn't want to arrest him in front of his son.

Rosinbag · 08-04-2019, 07:15 PM

I just checked the PWCC Instagram page and they have disabled the comments feature on their page.

3124508 on COMC · 08-04-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosinbag

I just checked the PWCC Instagram page and they have disabled the comments feature on their page.

PSA is now blocking all people left and right on Twitter after departing from the National.

Dontom · 08-04-2019, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCalSCM

Your new SLAB.

How does it look, card doctors?

Hope PCWW likes their new vault.

Cavaliercards · 08-04-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PSA is now blocking all people left and right on Twitter after departing from the National.

Wonder if they have blocked Darren yet?

chuckerrrr · 08-04-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosinbag

I just checked the PWCC Instagram page and they have disabled the comments feature on their page.

They have had them disabled for a while. I went on there about a month ago to see what comments they have and it was all disabled.

regionrat · 08-04-2019, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by palmetto7

I would think they can get a few scaredy cats to meow to no end....Promise Brent his wife stays outta prison would be an easy one.....

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Did anyone check out Betsy being interviewed on youtube? She kept telling the interviewer she did not want to talk on camera.

hche · 08-04-2019, 07:57 PM

Sounds like those are subpoenas for records, which probably means the investigation is still at its early stage. If the PSA insider letter is true, the Fed will have to build up a huge case and it may take awhile.

Donkaylove · 08-04-2019, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hokie2279

Pigs get fed, Hogs get slaughtered. These guys are just like any other thief. They start justifying what they are doing and it went unchecked for so long they thought they were invincible. They are crooks plain and simple. Trimming, shilling, doctoring autos and refurbishing cards it's long overdue these guys have to answer for what they've done.

yep--on this train right here. justificatiion/redemption/upheaval/balance--whatever, only greed. so many bad examples that they have no answer for. you cannot be a "qualified"asset to the hobby after this debacle.

ninjacookies · 08-04-2019, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hche

Sounds like those are subpoenas for records, which probably means the investigation is still at its early stage. If the PSA insider letter is true, the Fed will have to build up a huge case and it may take awhile.

RICO.

They gon' learn today.

DaveTaplin · 08-04-2019, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by palmetto7

If you own a lot of stock in CLCT....ugh

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Their stock is up 20% since this story broke.

pspa123 · 08-04-2019, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PSA is now blocking all people left and right on Twitter after departing from the National.

Joe Orlando favors civil discourse, he said.

JUNKWAX · 08-04-2019, 08:25 PM

Did yall hear that??? Sounded like the graded card bubble just burst!

tonedef2oo8 · 08-04-2019, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveTaplin

Their stock is up 20% since this story broke.

And wait till a major new story talks about the fbi looking into them. I’m sure that will change fast

JMANIA · 08-04-2019, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

If you need your own personal security guard at a card show you're doing something wrong.

Come on, I think he meant a security guard probably because vault items were on display. Not a personal security (body) guard.

49ersSF · 08-04-2019, 08:50 PM

I'm predicting some rather substantial political contributions to be made followed by a very light slap on the wrist for the corporate entities involved.

T206Collector · 08-04-2019, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PSA is now blocking all people left and right on Twitter after departing from the National.

Joe is just getting tired of all this internet bullying...

Joe Orlando, October 18, 2011 “Taking My Hacks: The Things I Get Tired of in the Hobby”:

“Don't you just love these guys? These are the guys who do nothing but bash, bully, demean and harass on various message boards. You know what they say? Everyone is 10 feet tall behind a computer. Their strongest assets appear to be the ability to express just how jealous they are of others and, sometimes, lying without a hint of regret. How they have time to post so much is beyond me. Apparently, they have no life and are here to take that out on the rest of the world. Here's a suggestion: The hobby is supposed to be fun so, if the hobby is making you that miserable, do everyone else a favor and leave.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...et-tired-hobby

T206Collector · 08-04-2019, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Joe Orlando favors civil discourse, he said.

I am sure he is just blocking folks “who choose to spread fear and ignorance.”

Joe Orlando, July 22, 2019, “Taking My Hacks: A Collectors Universe Retrospective”:

“After 20 years at the company and a lifetime in this hobby, there are a few things I know. There will always be challenges that our hobby will have to face and, unfortunately, there will also be those who choose to spread fear and ignorance. For those of us who love the hobby, there will always be opportunities to improve it by engaging in civil discourse.”

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...-retrospective

JrFinest · 08-04-2019, 09:07 PM

PSA is acting like a guilty party in all of this as well. Wondering how deep this really goes.

GeechQuest · 08-04-2019, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

And wait till a major new story talks about the fbi looking into them. I’m sure that will change fast

Those news stories are out there. The business and stock is more reliant on grading coins than cards at something close to 2.5:1. Bottom line is even if PSA stopped grading cards they’d still be a viable business.

1989FF · 08-04-2019, 09:13 PM

Thank you BODA for your numerous hours of research. It's paying off more and more and time goes on. We're all in debt to you. We as members of the hobby can also do our part, no matter how insignificant, to make the hobby more honest. So we can all enjoy it in our own way and preserve it for the future.

Thank you Blowout for allowing members to post this information, especially considering that I assume you've been threatened with legal action to remove.

08-04-2019, 06:51 PM	#101
cardsforever Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,833	I hope the Feds follow though on this. I was involved with the Feds on a case (forgeries) and myself, Richard Simon and Shelly Jaffe handed them the case on a silver platter and out of the blue, they decided to drop it. I really hope they go full blast with this and hold those accountable. I will be following this. Kudos to those who started this!!!! Christopher Williams Last edited by cardsforever; 08-04-2019 at 07:06 PM.

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hche Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,298	Sounds like those are subpoenas for records, which probably means the investigation is still at its early stage. If the PSA insider letter is true, the Fed will have to build up a huge case and it may take awhile. __________________ I would ban you but I have no sway or pull here.

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Rosinbag Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1	I just checked the PWCC Instagram page and they have disabled the comments feature on their page.

08-04-2019, 08:25 PM	#117
JUNKWAX Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: TEXAS Posts: 701	Did yall hear that??? Sounded like the graded card bubble just burst!

08-04-2019, 08:50 PM	#120
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,941	I'm predicting some rather substantial political contributions to be made followed by a very light slap on the wrist for the corporate entities involved.

08-04-2019, 09:07 PM	#123
JrFinest Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,117 jrfinest_cards	PSA is acting like a guilty party in all of this as well. Wondering how deep this really goes.

08-04-2019, 09:13 PM	#125
1989FF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,425 ryans_rust	Thank you BODA for your numerous hours of research. It's paying off more and more and time goes on. We're all in debt to you. We as members of the hobby can also do our part, no matter how insignificant, to make the hobby more honest. So we can all enjoy it in our own way and preserve it for the future. Thank you Blowout for allowing members to post this information, especially considering that I assume you've been threatened with legal action to remove.