Aaron Donald is #1...... - Page 3

ShanWVU · 08-01-2019, 10:04 PM

Crazy how good he is considering he ate nothing but sh1t for 4 years

goodole13 · 08-01-2019, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackandgold

So Drew Brees was the second best player last year? Certainly if they got that one wrong they could get Aaron Donald wrong also? Players 1-2 should always be a offensive player QB RB WR I personally would rank him 5 but that’s my opinion and to my knowledge it’s not a crime like some of you make it out to be

In the opinion of his peers, yes, Drew Brees was #2. Again, you can have your opinion, but it absolutely obsolete. And your opinion is even more invalid after your comment stating 1-2 should always be offense. You’ve lost credibility with that comment. This isn’t voted on by media or fans. This is a list voted on by NFL players, the guys that face off against each other every Sunday. A peer vote is far more respected than fans or media.

Edit: you say the players got it wrong??? What makes them wrong and you, of all people, right?

goodole13 · 08-01-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackandgold

Last year in 3 playoff games including the Super Bowl Aaron Donald had 5 tackles total No sacks No Forced Fumbles No interceptions As I will say again yes Aaron Donald is a stud defensive player but #1 last year Nope

But Suh played well. Probably because Donald was getting doubled and tripled. Teams game planned around him.

starfox · 08-01-2019, 10:41 PM

Donald is the best player in the league today. He was voted such by fellow players. That carries more weight than what any non-player has to say. But there is a bias by many BO members: most want an offensive player, particularly a quarterback, to win it. I say the best man won.

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blackandgold · 08-01-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by goodole13

But Suh played well. Probably because Donald was getting doubled and tripled. Teams game planned around him.

He had 1.5 sacks and 6 tackles in 3 games so no not really Bro it’s an opinion Sorry you don’t like it but this NFL is not 70’s 80’s era The Rams won games last year because of their offense and when it came to winning with defense your boy was a no show. Never did I say I was the juror jury judge seems you think you are though Good night fella

goodole13 · 08-01-2019, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackandgold

He had 1.5 sacks and 6 tackles in 3 games so no not really Bro it’s an opinion Sorry you don’t like it but this NFL is not 70’s 80’s era The Rams won games last year because of their offense and when it came to winning with defense your boy was a no show. Never did I say I was the juror jury judge seems you think you are though Good night fella

After that idiotic statement, Good night

hofcollector2 · 08-01-2019, 11:03 PM

He's #1? He dint do shi$ in the Super Bowl.

goodole13 · 08-01-2019, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

He's #1? He dint do shi$ in the Super Bowl.

Should it have been given to somebody that didn’t make the Super Bowl?

ninjacookies · 08-01-2019, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by starfox

Donald is the best player in the league today. He was voted such by fellow players. That carries more weight than what any non-player has to say. But there is a bias by many BO members: most want an offensive player, particularly a quarterback, to win it. I say the best man won.

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I would not argue that he is one of the best, if not the best overall talents in the league today.

But I also think that makes Mack severely underrated, because I think they're equally as talented and game changers. imo.

goodole13 · 08-01-2019, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I would not argue that he is one of the best, if not the best overall talents in the league today.

But I also think that makes Mack severely underrated, because I think they're equally as talented and game changers. imo.

I agree. I think both are great players and generational talents, difficult to separate them. Though, I don’t think Mack is underrated. He’s won a DPOY award and was #3 on this list. I think Donald gets a lot of attention because of the position he plays. There hasn’t been a lot of DT that have been able to impact the game the way Donald has. Mack, you can say the same thing, his presence is always felt, but there have been a lot of outside rushers/3-4 backers that have had large impacts. I think that may be the one thing that very slightly gives Donald the edge.

ninjacookies · 08-01-2019, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by goodole13

I agree. I think both are great players and generational talents, difficult to separate them. Though, I don’t think Mack is underrated. He’s won a DPOY award and was #3 on this list. I think Donald gets a lot of attention because of the position he plays. There hasn’t been a lot of DT that have been able to impact the game the way Donald has. Mack, you can say the same thing, his presence is always felt, but there have been a lot of outside rushers/3-4 backers that have had large impacts. I think that may be the one thing that very slightly gives Donald the edge.

For sure...totally agree with you.

ilikenicecards · 08-01-2019, 11:42 PM

starfox · 08-02-2019, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I would not argue that he is one of the best, if not the best overall talents in the league today.

But I also think that makes Mack severely underrated, because I think they're equally as talented and game changers. imo.

Ok. I would say that Donald and Mack are close in ability, with the slight edge going to Donald.

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starfox · 08-02-2019, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by goodole13

I agree. I think both are great players and generational talents, difficult to separate them. Though, I don’t think Mack is underrated. He’s won a DPOY award and was #3 on this list. I think Donald gets a lot of attention because of the position he plays. There hasn’t been a lot of DT that have been able to impact the game the way Donald has. Mack, you can say the same thing, his presence is always felt, but there have been a lot of outside rushers/3-4 backers that have had large impacts. I think that may be the one thing that very slightly gives Donald the edge.

Yes. Donald has the slight edge, but that is a no-lose situation. Flip of the coin.

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starfox · 08-02-2019, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

He's #1? He dint do shi$ in the Super Bowl.

He didn't? He and the defense held the Patriots to 13 points. You would think if a defense holds any Super Bowl opponent to 13 points it would win. But McVeigh, Goff, and the offense were outcoached and outmatched, hence the Super Bowl loss. Donald did his job; they only gave up 13 points.

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mstng99tim · 08-02-2019, 07:56 AM

If your only reason for him not being #1 is because "he didn't do anything in the Super Bowl", then you know absolutely NOTHING about football.

I went to the same high school as Aaron, and I have Pitt season tickets, so I've been watching him for a long time and knew he was going to be special, especially after his last 2 years at Pitt. That knowledge allowed me to collect him from the very get go, and is the reason why I have the best AD collection out there.

KevJo · 08-02-2019, 08:26 AM

This is unreal that people are clueless how good AD is, its funny. They are the same fans/collectors that think the only thing worth collecting is QB's. Your never going to change their mind, its something of a handicap with them. Defense wins championships, YES the QB and offense are just as important but you cannot win without guys like AD. He had a bad SB appearance, he was facing double teams the entire game and sometimes you have an off night. Should that stop the players, THE PLAYERS, from voting him the best of the best, no.

Kevin

mstng99tim · 08-02-2019, 08:33 AM

I won't post my entire collection, but here are some of the nicer ones...

RogerGodahell · 08-02-2019, 08:37 AM

First time Brady has ever been voted outside of the top 5.

He's falling off a cliff!

dfr52 · 08-02-2019, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by starfox

He didn't? He and the defense held the Patriots to 13 points. You would think if a defense holds any Super Bowl opponent to 13 points it would win. But McVeigh, Goff, and the offense were outcoached and outmatched, hence the Super Bowl loss. Donald did his job; they only gave up 13 points.

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The Rams defense really played well enough to win. The Rams offense played like a team that had no business in the Super Bowl.

dfr52 · 08-02-2019, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

First time Brady has ever been voted outside of the top 5.

He's falling off a cliff!

His did not finish strong in the post season. The Patriots won the Super Bowl but Brady's numbers were below average.

goodole13 · 08-02-2019, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

This is unreal that people are clueless how good AD is, its funny. They are the same fans/collectors that think the only thing worth collecting is QB's. Your never going to change their mind, its something of a handicap with them. Defense wins championships, YES the QB and offense are just as important but you cannot win without guys like AD. He had a bad SB appearance, he was facing double teams the entire game and sometimes you have an off night. Should that stop the players, THE PLAYERS, from voting him the best of the best, no.

Kevin

Exactly this. I hope that member "blackandgold" sees this. I keep trying to explain to him that the players voted for this, apparently he thinks I'm the judge for it haha. I don't know. This was a players poll, people need to understand that. Donald's peers ranking him #1 is the ultimate sign of respect and shows how deserving he is of the rank.

Donald, along with Brees, Mack, Mahomes, and Gurley rounded out the top five. I'm sure it wasn't a landslide victory for Donald. You can make an argument that any of the top 5 players or even top 10 players deserve to be #1. However, the players felt Donald was most deserving this go around.

I tell you what, though, I'm surprised they didn't vote Deandre Hopkins in the top 10. Dude didn't drop 1 ball all year and caught everything he got his hands on. It's tough, because then you have to ask, well, who do you take out of the top 10???

Jackg1980 · 08-02-2019, 01:55 PM

Stats don’t ever tell the whole story. I seen JJ Watt get blanked before and he was MVP of game. You know why? Well when he was in the game he limited the offense to 3 plays. Checkdown, run away from JJ or punt. When he took a breather, guess what? Shotgun time! You may look at stat sheet and Say JJ didn’t do shttt. But I think taking away an offense playbook is doing a lot.

starfox · 08-02-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

This is unreal that people are clueless how good AD is, its funny. They are the same fans/collectors that think the only thing worth collecting is QB's. Your never going to change their mind, its something of a handicap with them. Defense wins championships, YES the QB and offense are just as important but you cannot win without guys like AD. He had a bad SB appearance, he was facing double teams the entire game and sometimes you have an off night. Should that stop the players, THE PLAYERS, from voting him the best of the best, no.

Kevin

Donald didn't have a bad Super Bowl. The Patriots didn't score a touchdown until late in the fourth. That loss is mostly on the head coach and offense; they were inept to what Belichick was doing.

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starfox · 08-02-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

The Rams defense really played well enough to win. The Rams offense played like a team that had no business in the Super Bowl.

I agree.

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ilikenicecards Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 490	Last edited by ilikenicecards; 08-02-2019 at 12:36 AM.

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mstng99tim Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 919	If your only reason for him not being #1 is because "he didn't do anything in the Super Bowl", then you know absolutely NOTHING about football. I went to the same high school as Aaron, and I have Pitt season tickets, so I've been watching him for a long time and knew he was going to be special, especially after his last 2 years at Pitt. That knowledge allowed me to collect him from the very get go, and is the reason why I have the best AD collection out there. __________________ Collecting Aaron Donald, Kenny Pickett, Izzy Abanikanda, James Conner, LeSean McCoy, Larry Fitzgerald, Curtis Martin, Dan Marino, Tony Dorsett, & other former Pitt players

08-02-2019, 08:26 AM	#67
KevJo Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 11,411	This is unreal that people are clueless how good AD is, its funny. They are the same fans/collectors that think the only thing worth collecting is QB's. Your never going to change their mind, its something of a handicap with them. Defense wins championships, YES the QB and offense are just as important but you cannot win without guys like AD. He had a bad SB appearance, he was facing double teams the entire game and sometimes you have an off night. Should that stop the players, THE PLAYERS, from voting him the best of the best, no. Kevin __________________ "By any means"- Khalil Mack

08-02-2019, 08:33 AM	#68
mstng99tim Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 919	I won't post my entire collection, but here are some of the nicer ones... __________________ Collecting Aaron Donald, Kenny Pickett, Izzy Abanikanda, James Conner, LeSean McCoy, Larry Fitzgerald, Curtis Martin, Dan Marino, Tony Dorsett, & other former Pitt players

08-02-2019, 01:55 PM	#73
Jackg1980 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 10,001 MadBreakers	Stats don’t ever tell the whole story. I seen JJ Watt get blanked before and he was MVP of game. You know why? Well when he was in the game he limited the offense to 3 plays. Checkdown, run away from JJ or punt. When he took a breather, guess what? Shotgun time! You may look at stat sheet and Say JJ didn’t do shttt. But I think taking away an offense playbook is doing a lot. __________________ Official Blowout 2010 Topp Magic Refractor Autograph set collector! Looking for Khalil Mack and Marvel Vibranium "I trade by common sense not book value" "No one makes me bleed my own blood"

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ShanWVU Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: WV Posts: 94 sjohn-62	Crazy how good he is considering he ate nothing but sh1t for 4 years

08-01-2019, 10:41 PM	#54
starfox Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,519 I don't have one at the moment, but plan to. I don't have one of these either, but we shall see.	Donald is the best player in the league today. He was voted such by fellow players. That carries more weight than what any non-player has to say. But there is a bias by many BO members: most want an offensive player, particularly a quarterback, to win it. I say the best man won. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

08-01-2019, 11:03 PM	#57
hofcollector2 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,869	He's #1? He dint do shi$ in the Super Bowl.

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RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	First time Brady has ever been voted outside of the top 5. He's falling off a cliff!