Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

I only own lower end VGJ rookies that I pulled. I felt the kid was a bit overhyped, which draws hate, but now I think people are sleeping on him. I would like to pick up a Heritage real one and action at some point. I think he will be good in the long run.

This is true. Same thing will soon happen with Zion in basketball.
I'm very happy to pull Vlad Jr cards, but if investing would go with Acuna.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

I only own lower end VGJ rookies that I pulled. I felt the kid was a bit overhyped, which draws hate, but now I think people are sleeping on him. I would like to pick up a Heritage real one and action at some point. I think he will be good in the long run.

Bang on. He's been overhyped since day one and he's playing catch up. The ones bashing are the ones who cashed out early.

Originally Posted by premium1981

Those investors are not able to reply right now. Their tears have shorted out their keyboards.

We're still here. I think there are more people NOT participating in this thread because of the 5-10 same people who are making it negative. It's unfortunate that those few are making more people not want to post here because it's making it not worth reading.

No secret he's slumping and for the last two days, he's been torching Tigers pitching (I should have said "feasting on Tigers pitching" to get a giggle out of the 5-10 school girls posting the fat jokes) and hopefully he's getting into a groove. Honestly, I kinda hope he doesn't so that when Update hits, his cards are cold and I can grab as many as I can.

I'm still investing in his cards. Picked up the Mystery Heritage Autos, grabbed his Factory base and All Star Variations, grabbed the Foilboard /162...all sleeper cards.

I'm also not saying anything here because I'm letting the school girls drive the prices down by bashing Vlad constantly and even better, I think these posts will age very well. So keep at it and make those Update prices ones that will allow me to stock up.

[rngrdanny22]

FWIW, I'm still buying.

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

FWIW, I'm still buying.

Buy the dip

[ThoseBackPages]

im waiting for the 9's to get listed on eBay

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ALBASKETBALL

Buy the dip

Absolutely!

[seabass97166]

Vlad is a solid hitter, the problem is his defense and speed are well below average. He’s a teenage DH and will get pinch run for late in games like a 35 year old would. So he has to really hang his hat on his his power, and in the era of juiced balls and records being shattered, he will need to hit 50 HR/year, or will just be among a sea of 40 dudes hitting 30+

[auctionjmm]

I've been in no rush to sell Vlad this year. Prices are soft enough that it's worth the gamble. I have roughly 100 copies of various rookie cards from this year from my breaks. If I have to hold them through the winter and wait for a spring bump, I will. If he completely fails as a player then I can live with that, as I don't own anything high end of him.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I've been in no rush to sell Vlad this year. Prices are soft enough that it's worth the gamble. I have roughly 100 copies of various rookie cards from this year from my breaks. If I have to hold them through the winter and wait for a spring bump, I will. If he completely fails as a player then I can live with that, as I don't own anything high end of him.

Same here! Those buying $1100 base chrome autos may be worried, but there's plenty of upside on low-end stuff.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by seabass97166

Vlad is a solid hitter, the problem is his defense and speed are well below average. He’s a teenage DH and will get pinch run for late in games like a 35 year old would. So he has to really hang his hat on his his power, and in the era of juiced balls and records being shattered, he will need to hit 50 HR/year, or will just be among a sea of 40 dudes hitting 30+

I would disagree on multiple things here.

There aren’t 40 dudes who have potential 80 hit and power tools. Vlad potentially has that. He’s not just another guy potentially hitting 30 hr - he can also hit .300+, challenge for batting titles possibly, etc (talking potential here). Even if he’s not providing great value defensively, he could be a big impact bat. The guy turned 20 this March. I don’t think people really understand that. Meanwhile, Pete Alonso is viewed as this bigtime player this year. He turns 25 in December. At age 20 he was a freshman/sophomore at the university of Florida, I believe. Full disclosure I’m a big Alonso fan, watched him a lot at Florida, etc.

He’s not going to be a teenage dh. That’s just silly. His speed isn’t an asset, but he’s not Cecil fielder out there either.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by Triple B

We're still here. I think there are more people NOT participating in this thread because of the 5-10 same people who are making it negative. It's unfortunate that those few are making more people not want to post here because it's making it not worth reading.

Well said.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

The guy turned 20 this March. I don’t think people really understand that.

Quite the opposite I think. Everyone knows how young he is. Vlad's problem is Juan Soto, Ronald Acuna, Yordan Alvarez, Fernando Tatis Jr. Guys who made their debut at 19, 20, 21 years old and have played out of their minds. They set the bar. And Vlad, as the most expensive prospect ever, needed to not just meet that bar, but exceed it. He hasn't. You can't use youth as an excuse when there are guys younger than you outperforming you. Few in this hobby exhibit patience. Vlad needs to be significantly better going forward than he has.

[CollectorMan]

I’m also still here. Some of us are not even investors but choose not to engage posters clearly looking to troll because they have nothing of note to add to the conversation. 20 year old Vlad Jr will be just fine. Rest easy. None of us are drying tears or stopping being a fan of this kid. It’s a very sad person that gains pleasure from misery. A very sad person...

Not sure what the point of it is.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Quite the opposite I think. Everyone knows how young he is. Vlad's problem is Juan Soto, Ronald Acuna, Yordan Alvarez, Fernando Tatis Jr. Guys who made their debut at 19, 20, 21 years old and have played out of their minds. They set the bar. And Vlad, as the most expensive prospect ever, needed to not just meet that bar, but exceed it. He hasn't. You can't use youth as an excuse when there are guys younger than you outperforming you. Few in this hobby exhibit patience. Vlad needs to be significantly better going forward than he has.

My gawds...He’s 20 and cranking dingers in the bigs, zip it. Not sure what needs to be exceeded. He’s not like those prospects because of his pop. He will always be expensive. If he’s too expensive for you, don’t buy him. Simple as that. To say he is not meeting expectations is insanity.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Quite the opposite I think. Everyone knows how young he is. Vlad's problem is Juan Soto, Ronald Acuna, Yordan Alvarez, Fernando Tatis Jr. Guys who made their debut at 19, 20, 21 years old and have played out of their minds. They set the bar. And Vlad, as the most expensive prospect ever, needed to not just meet that bar, but exceed it. He hasn't. You can't use youth as an excuse when there are guys younger than you outperforming you. Few in this hobby exhibit patience. Vlad needs to be significantly better going forward than he has.

Yeah, I think you would agree that most of this is pretty clear. He can't hit .250 with average power - we all know that.

I'm not discussing card prices here - I'm referencing what type of player I think Vlad will be. There is some overlap there, of course. The guys you listed all have started their MLB careers very well, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that he turned 20 this year.

When we look back at the careers of these guys, the first 3 months will be a mere blip. I expect Vlad to adjust, and become a force offensively for many, many years.

[imbluestreak23]

I have faith, but his card values will likely go down in the short term if he finishes the season sub 0.270. But he’s almost a lock to pull a Devers.

Great buy this Christmas

[ninjacookies]

I'll be picking up some of his stuff in the offseason once prices inevitably cool even more. Like some others have said, it'll be the easiest flip come spring training when the husky hype train restarts.

Happened the same way with harper over 4 seasons of falling short of expectation. There are some that just keep holding out hope on certain overhyped prospects.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'll be picking up some of his stuff in the offseason once prices inevitably cool even more. Like some others have said, it'll be the easiest flip come spring training when the husky hype train restarts.

Happened the same way with harper over 4 seasons of falling short of expectation. There are some that just keep holding out hope on certain overhyped prospects.

I'm buying low-end stuff at current prices. If prices cool further in the off-season, I'll be all over them. Dollar-cost-averaging my friend!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I'm buying low-end stuff at current prices. If prices cool further in the off-season, I'll be all over them. Dollar-cost-averaging my friend!

sell me some RC 9s

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I'm buying low-end stuff at current prices. If prices cool further in the off-season, I'll be all over them. Dollar-cost-averaging my friend!

You are a smart man and obviously like money.


One does not have to be an ultra believer or fan of a player to know how the hobby cycle operates.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

sell me some RC 9s

Oh, I've already got that jotted down.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'll be picking up some of his stuff in the offseason once prices inevitably cool even more. Like some others have said, it'll be the easiest flip come spring training when the husky hype train restarts.

Happened the same way with harper over 4 seasons of falling short of expectation. There are some that just keep holding out hope on certain overhyped prospects.

you think he's overhyped?

i think his BC autograph prices are insane, as are Wander Franco and Jo Adell's. Nolan Gorman BC auto is selling in the $150-200 range and yet he's hitting .250 in Single A ball right now...

[palmetto7]

Hes not winning roy....looks like Yordan easily....but maybe topps will have it named call up of the year.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by oplum29

you think he's overhyped?

i think his BC autograph prices are insane, as are Wander Franco and Jo Adell's. Nolan Gorman BC auto is selling in the $150-200 range and yet he's hitting .250 in Single A ball right now...

You should try reading full posts before responding.


Being overhyped (which he certainly is) does not mean you can't still make money on a young player once spring training comes back around. The hobby is irrational. You should know this (I'd hope).

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

You should try reading full posts before responding.


Being overhyped (which he certainly is) does not mean you can't still make money on a young player once spring training comes back around. The hobby is irrational. You should know this (I'd hope).

There's also cards other than Bowman Chrome Autos.