Issue with BBCE Box

[1989FF]

I'm done with the back and forth. I'm trying to ensure we are not allowing the word authentication to be redefined because of the cost of the product or effort required.

[Gigantor]

Originally Posted by 1989FF

I'm done with the back and forth. I'm trying to ensure we are not allowing the word authentication to be redefined because of the cost of the product or effort required.

Agreed. I've always seen BBCE as a 'safe space' for vintage wax. They sell the piece of mind that the wax is authentic and has not been tampered with. A miss like this suggests the packs themselves were not inspected.

Ultimately, if it's too costly or time consuming to authenticate $100 wax boxes, then don't. You're wrapping the box with your name & reputation.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by 1989FF

I know it was a mistake and a rare one at that. I know he will replace the pack. GAI used to guarantee as well. How good is that guarantee now. Will BBCE and that guarantee be around as long as the hobby will be? Hope so. But unlikely.

Replace the pack? He better do more than that, its a tampered box. Get some store credit/discount on future purchase or something.

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[signed79]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Replace the pack? He better do more than that, its a tampered box. Get some store credit/discount on future purchase or something.

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It's not a tampered box. The buyer bought 36 unopened packs (packaged in an original box) where one pack was misplaced. It happens. Steve at BBCE will take care of it.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

All of his stuff is guaranteed, even the unwrapped stuff. They'll get taken care of for that '81 pack.

You can shout at the sky but he's not going to physically inspect every pack they purchase. First, that would be literally impossible. He couldn't do it even if he were staying up 24/7. Second, it's a gross misuse of resources. How often does someone accidentally get a different pack in one of their boxes? I bet it's rare. The cost of saying "sorry about that, mistakes happen" and mailing them an extra pack are SO much smaller than examining. every. single. individual. pack.

Most people would say "no problem, Steve, thanks for, I don't know, responding for so fast," or whatever platitude they think of to end the conversation politely. Only a few -- a select few, bred in the deeps of the internet suckling on the teet of snark and cynicism -- would come back at him furious why they were temporarily put on hold in discovering the delights inside their $3 glory.

Arthur

I guess the question is, what is the value cutoff for when Steve DOES inspect every pack, since 1982 Fleer doesn't deserve his full attention?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I guess the question is, what is the value cutoff for when Steve DOES inspect every pack, since 1982 Fleer doesn't deserve his full attention?

i vote 1980

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i vote 1980

That's a year, not a value.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

That's a year, not a value.

other than 1984D packs, which other packs would you say deserve complete inspection?

[1989FF]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I guess the question is, what is the value cutoff for when Steve DOES inspect every pack, since 1982 Fleer doesn't deserve his full attention?

There has to be authentication levels. RCR vs. slabbed if you will.

Say BBCE has Silver and Gold tinted logo wrap for the two tiers.

Silver is a quick look. A review.

Gold has all packs removed and confirmed.

If he assigns a cutoff year or value, it won't work long term. His brand is not maximized for future resale because prices change. Imagine a 2011 Topps Update BBCE wrapped box you bought that was wrapped in '11 and you open it now and it has a few '10 update packs inside. Quite a loss. But it got the "82" treatment because it was okay at the time since the packs "were only $3".

[TanksCards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Jabs is an idiot

glad someone said this. I enjoyed watching his vids for awhile, but seeing what people send him and what he sends out in his Patreon (sp?) boxes is horrible. Someone sent him a macbook and a t206 cy young this week...saw a video of what he sends people in his $100 box and it was a random minor league autographed baseball, a few balls he snagged at a pirates game, and a bunch of worthless graded cards. guy has a beautiful scam going

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by GORE

This^ x 100

I have seen the threads where people are too quick to pull out the pitchforks and label someone as a scumbag in a knee jerk reaction...but I don't think that is case here.

You’ve been a member since April.. how many topics have you seen

[Mountaineer]

Jabs is trash. Guy sells batting practice balls as "game-used" in his Ebay store and is just a shady character all around. He sells cards that his viewers send him, which I suspect most of his viewers to be kids, people with some type of social disability or they are just straight idiots, and adults who are just trying to "clout chase" on Youtube and get some kind of recognition/validation.

[HarryLime]

I think people are being really melodramatic about this.

You're acting like BBCE's product is no good. I've been buying their stuff for over a decade and have never gotten a bum pack. I know how to check the authentication of packs, too.

You know what I do have? A laundry list of unopened packs with stars/rookies showing that I got from BBCE orders. I have 3 packs of '85 Leaf with Clemens on the back. One of them I got when I decided to just toss in three packs of '85 Leaf to an order. Really glad I checked the back of those first. '87 OPC with Bonds on front and one with him on back, '87 Leaf with multiple of everyone -- Bonds, Maddux, Bo, etc.

I'd buy just five racks of '86 Donruss and one would have the McGriff RR and another Clemens. There would be times I would grab a small group of packs to scratch the itch to rip and I couldn't rip ANY of them because they all had a star/rookie showing.

Gimme a break with this unique, never happened before $3 pack mixup.

Arthur

[1989FF]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I think people are being really melodramatic about this.

You're acting like BBCE's product is no good. I've been buying their stuff for over a decade and have never gotten a bum pack. I know how to check the authentication of packs, too.

You know what I do have? A laundry list of unopened packs with stars/rookies showing that I got from BBCE orders. I have 3 packs of '85 Leaf with Clemens on the back. One of them I got when I decided to just toss in three packs of '85 Leaf to an order. Really glad I checked the back of those first. '87 OPC with Bonds on front and one with him on back, '87 Leaf with multiple of everyone -- Bonds, Maddux, Bo, etc.

I'd buy just five racks of '86 Donruss and one would have the McGriff RR and another Clemens. There would be times I would grab a small group of packs to scratch the itch to rip and I couldn't rip ANY of them because they all had a star/rookie showing.

Gimme a break with this unique, never happened before $3 pack mixup.

Arthur

No one is talking bad about BBCE.

My dog in this fight is "our" made up rules in this thread. In a nutshell that authentication is only accurate or applies to items over $3. I proved that is not acceptable based on the '11 update example. That BBCE only looks at a few packs, authenticates the whole box and that's supposed to be acceptable. It's not.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by 1989FF

No one is talking bad about BBCE.

My dog in this fight is "our" made up rules in this thread. In a nutshell that authentication is only accurate or applies to items over $3. I proved that is not acceptable based on the '11 update example. That BBCE only looks at a few packs, authenticates the whole box and that's supposed to be acceptable. It's not.

I agree. I know there can be mistakes, but only looking at a few packs to authenticate a box, no matter the value of the box, should not be an acceptable practice or one that is encouraged in the hobby.

[mma138]

Originally Posted by GORE

I watched it as well and couldn't help but get that sinking feeling in my stomach. One or the other problem...maybe you let it slide...

No Ripken...that's tough...not a guarantee anyway

No Ripken and what seems to be an obviously tampered with box...No Bueno

Coupled with the fact that it was no Ripken in 2 boxes.

I would like to know what the verification process entails and how it was missed. It will make people, me at least, question the validity/ veracity of BBCE's verification procedure as a whole.

I have bought from them in the past, and 99% of what I bought was great. But depending on how they handle this it would make me think twice before paying a premium for a "verified" box.

well there is no way to guarantee every pack did indeed belong to that box am I right ? they can guarantee each pack is unsearched , that is about it .

[emoticon]

I've been under the assumption that BBCE authenticates all packs in a box before sealing it. IMHO that's the purpose of authentication. Other than the 1981 pack being included in a box, where did the narrative begin stating that BBCE only authenticates X amount of packs per box? What is the point of buying a BBCE sealed box if that doesn't mean that none of the packs are resealed?

[Giancarlo27]

It is absolutely absurd to think that they are wrapping these "authentic" boxes and not even bothering to make sure the packs in the box are actually all the correct packs. So all we have to do is put 4 real packs on top and put 32 89 score packs under them, and we can fool the brilliant minds at BBCE? What a joke.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

It is absolutely absurd to think that they are wrapping these "authentic" boxes and not even bothering to make sure the packs in the box are actually all the correct packs. So all we have to do is put 4 real packs on top and put 32 89 score packs under them, and we can fool the brilliant minds at BBCE? What a joke.

yes, because the wrappers are identical

[ThoseBackPages]

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

if you think that every-single-common-pack from an 80s release as common as 82F is going to be eye-balled, you are shopping at the wrong place

i have not worked for them, but this is my take

KEEP IN MIND THE WRAPPERS ARE RED from both 1981 and 1982

... spot check the box, packs look good, then make sure there are Nine packs per stack, four stacks in the box.

since the wrappers are all red, easy to eye-ball the stack, and move on

MISTAKES HAPPEN. This is a low end product, millions made.

you really think this was intentional?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I think people are being really melodramatic about this.

You're acting like BBCE's product is no good. I've been buying their stuff for over a decade and have never gotten a bum pack. I know how to check the authentication of packs, too.

You know what I do have? A laundry list of unopened packs with stars/rookies showing that I got from BBCE orders. I have 3 packs of '85 Leaf with Clemens on the back. One of them I got when I decided to just toss in three packs of '85 Leaf to an order. Really glad I checked the back of those first. '87 OPC with Bonds on front and one with him on back, '87 Leaf with multiple of everyone -- Bonds, Maddux, Bo, etc.

I'd buy just five racks of '86 Donruss and one would have the McGriff RR and another Clemens. There would be times I would grab a small group of packs to scratch the itch to rip and I couldn't rip ANY of them because they all had a star/rookie showing.

Gimme a break with this unique, never happened before $3 pack mixup.

Arthur

When you have a box that is easily searchable, you have 1 card of value in the set and you have 1 pack missing replaced by a pack from a different year, a light should go off. This was a big miss by BBCE that was easily catchable if they had taken more care in examining the product. The excuse that the box isn't that valuable doesn't hold water. The buyer got a pretty much worthless searched box and giving him an extra pack doesn't make up for that.

[thecardiq]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Jabs is trash. Guy sells batting practice balls as "game-used" in his Ebay store and is just a shady character all around. He sells cards that his viewers send him, which I suspect most of his viewers to be kids, people with some type of social disability or they are just straight idiots, and adults who are just trying to "clout chase" on Youtube and get some kind of recognition/validation.

The worst part, to me, is how much of random people's/store owners etc. time he will waste in videos and then spend like 50 cents. Then make a whole video about it. The guy is a total clown, but so too, then, are his viewers. So, I guess just laugh at his viewers.

[Wiseysez]

You can’t sell something with a “guarantee” if you don’t actually look to see what’s inside.

[pacman099]

Originally Posted by thecardiq

The worst part, to me, is how much of random people's/store owners etc. time he will waste in videos and then spend like 50 cents. Then make a whole video about it. The guy is a total clown, but so too, then, are his viewers. So, I guess just laugh at his viewers.

I feel strange watching the videos of him wearing the camera in the stores. Sure, faces aren't visible. But still... Anyways, I do like watching some of the throwback videos and will continue watching.

[signed79]

Who honestly cares if he inspects the packs. He guarantees the product and that's all that matters.