NBA Finals Poll: Raptors vs. Warriors

[tennelson55]

Glad the warriors are being dethroned.

The lack of offense is bad with the warriors right now and boogie is producing nothing.

Short of Durant coming back 100% this series is ova

[codered]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Did anyone else catch the Raps fans in Oracle arena staying after the game 4 win to cheer the Raps and sing the national anthem again? On what could have been possibly the last time playing in this arena, it was raps fans that stuck around right till the end.


https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/15343...1/?jwsource=cl


I also remember this from a few years back post game cavs beat raps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ddt...&frags=pl%2Cwn



Raps fans rule!

We the North!!

So amazing. I swear when they were showing the fans after singing and cheering I noticed a buddy from high school in the stands. He lives in Calgary so just another example of how raptors fans travel. Two viewing parties (one at city hall, one at the movie theatre downtown) for game day in Saskatoon right now. It’s unreal. Saskatoon is almost 2800 km from Toronto (just over 1700 miles for our American friends)

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

Demarcus Cousins looks like a complete mess out there. He seems to be trying to make an impact way too hard and is making a lot of bad decisions.

The Warriors just don't have 'it' anymore. They are missing wide open shots, playing terrible defense, getting very little production from the bench. Their role players are getting old and have clearly lost a step and Toronto is clearly taking advantage with longer, more athletic players and better shooters.


Durant & Kawhi are currently my two favorite NBA players. I was so looking forward to seeing the two battle it out. The absence of Durant and the greatness of Kawhi have me feeling really convinced that they are the top 2 players in the league right now.

Yeah Boogie doesn't get it. You can't just get the ball and go at this intensity, both teams are throwing so much help defense, but Toronto is doing it better.

TOR are destroying GS in pick and roll, which is just embarassing. Late help, soft shows or terrible switches.

I feel GS can win game 5, but they will need to be a lot better on both ends..

A lot of momentum for the Raps though.

[SDcardguy24]

Just saw a tweet that said Kawhi has broken up the Heatles, the Spurs, and now the Warriors

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

Let’s be honest about the Warriors. When they are careless with the ball and take dumb shots, they are as beatable as anybody.

Bingo....not going to win too many games when you commit 18 turnovers....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

Demarcus Cousins looks like a complete mess out there. He seems to be trying to make an impact way too hard and is making a lot of bad decisions.

The Warriors just don't have 'it' anymore. They are missing wide open shots, playing terrible defense, getting very little production from the bench. Their role players are getting old and have clearly lost a step and Toronto is clearly taking advantage with longer, more athletic players and better shooters.

In all fairness to the Warriors, they're pretty beat up health-wise right now. I'm guessing Draymond Green is the only one of their core players who's at 100%.

Just goes to show how small the margin of error is when you are playing against good opposition.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by mfw13

In all fairness to the Warriors, they're pretty beat up health-wise right now. I'm guessing Draymond Green is the only one of their core players who's at 100%.

Just goes to show how small the margin of error is when you are playing against good opposition.

I dont think Warriors are beat up. Doris last night stated that they were tired being to the finals 5 times. Come on now. The warriors had a weeks rest coming into the finals. The previous post seasons have no impact on being tired at the moment. The raps have been playing the most games in the post season.

Draymond is healthy. Curry is healthy. Klay was till game 3 and looks to be back.

They are just being outplayed by the Raptors. Raps are hungry!

[Mule5]

Originally Posted by mfw13

In all fairness to the Warriors, they're pretty beat up health-wise right now. I'm guessing Draymond Green is the only one of their core players who's at 100%.

Just goes to show how small the margin of error is when you are playing against good opposition.

Raps aren’t 100% healthy either. Lowry is wearing a mitt on his left hand and kawhi’s knee has been hit or miss. Comes with the territory

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I dont think Warriors are beat up. Doris last night stated that they were tired being to the finals 5 times. Come on now. The warriors had a weeks rest coming into the finals. The previous post seasons have no impact on being tired at the moment. The raps have been playing the most games in the post season.

Draymond is healthy. Curry is healthy. Klay was till game 3 and looks to be back.

They are just being outplayed by the Raptors. Raps are hungry!

1-1 in toronto. Then lose Klay in crucial time of game 3. He was limping in game 4. Klay played well for someone with a bum hammy. Proud of that guy. Looney got hurt as well. Cousins isn’t 100% either. They are missing their best player too in KD. Just bad timing for the injuries to hit at the same time.

The Raptors have played very well. Great defense at times too. They are really frustrating Curry. But you can’t say the warriors aren’t beat up. It’s obvious they are. Still hope the Raps close out in game 5.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

1-1 in toronto. Then lose Klay in crucial time of game 3. He was limping in game 4. Klay played well for someone with a bum hammy. Proud of that guy. Looney got hurt as well. Cousins isn’t 100% either. They are missing their best player too in KD. Just bad timing for the injuries to hit at the same time.

The Raptors have played very well. Great defense at times too. They are really frustrating Curry. But you can’t say the warriors aren’t beat up. It’s obvious they are. Still hope the Raps close out in game 5.

I hate the changing narrative thats taking place. Its pretty obvious a lot of people are trying their best to discredit the raptors. The raptors are simply that much better than the Warriors. THey proved it during the regular season and they are proving it right now. Most of you are making this argument as if GS was 100% they would 100% dominate the Raps. How do you know this for sure? How do you know the raps wouldnt be still leading this series if all the warriors were healthy? Just like they trounced them in the regular season.

If you tell me the regular season is no indicator for post season play, then Ill just tell you that assuming someting could or would happen that didnt happen is just all a pipe dream. I believe that the raps would have beat the Warriors in the same fashion if klay was healthy or boogie and possibly durant. This raptors team is better than the Cavs team that came back from 3-1 deficit as well. I might as well throw everything in there since everyone else is and trying to make anything stick.

But many people have made the point that the raptors are not fully healthy either. But I guess that doesnt count, because somehow they are finding a way to play through the injuries and putting in 200% effort and heart. The other point is the Warriors are the ones gassed. Toronto is, for the amount of games they have played with no rest. Yet they are still out there pushing hard and shutting down this dynasty team.

[Orangejello727]

I also want to point out in game 4 3rd quarter (You know the qtr that GS is known to take over)... These were the stats..

FG
tor 8/10
GS 7/20

3pt
tor 3/3
GS 3/9

Ft
Tor 5/5
GS 4/6

The TOR stats are from Ibaka and Kawhi. Basicially the 2 guys that made sure TOR would take the lead. GS still was putting up the shots like an all star team. They just werent falling. What that shows is TOR defense. GS offiense is still there, but the TOR D is shutting them down. Those stats above show you the real story. There is no lack of fire power from GS.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I hate the changing narrative thats taking place. Its pretty obvious a lot of people are trying their best to discredit the raptors. The raptors are simply that much better than the Warriors. THey proved it during the regular season and they are proving it right now. Most of you are making this argument as if GS was 100% they would 100% dominate the Raps. How do you know this for sure? How do you know the raps wouldnt be still leading this series if all the warriors were healthy? Just like they trounced them in the regular season.

If you tell me the regular season is no indicator for post season play, then Ill just tell you that assuming someting could or would happen that didnt happen is just all a pipe dream. I believe that the raps would have beat the Warriors in the same fashion if klay was healthy or boogie and possibly durant. This raptors team is better than the Cavs team that came back from 3-1 deficit as well. I might as well throw everything in there since everyone else is and trying to make anything stick.

But many people have made the point that the raptors are not fully healthy either. But I guess that doesnt count, because somehow they are finding a way to play through the injuries and putting in 200% effort and heart. The other point is the Warriors are the ones gassed. Toronto is, for the amount of games they have played with no rest. Yet they are still out there pushing hard and shutting down this dynasty team.

If there are a lot of people saying it, then it’s not really a changing narrative...it’s a constant one.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by bulljh

If there are a lot of people saying it, then it’s not really a changing narrative...it’s a constant one.

Ok then the conclusion is a lot of people were/are wrong outright. This is what happens when you destroy a dynasty by an unsung hero. People cannot accept it for what it is.

[ninjacookies]

Biggest things in this series to me have been:

- hustle (huge advantage to the Raptors)
- discipline (warriors have been extremely sloppy and lackadaisical for stretches...a lot of that goes back to Raptors hustle and defense)


Turnovers:
Warriors - 62
Raptors -48

Steals:
Warriors - 27
Raptors - 35

Usually Warriors can overcome these mistakes with incredible shooting, but Raptors are staying disciplined on offense and matching with their own big shots at critical times.

Surprisingly, both squads have the same amount of rebounds (you wouldn't think this as Raptors have a size advantage on the inside).

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Biggest things in this series to me have been:

- hustle (huge advantage to the Raptors)
- discipline (warriors have been extremely sloppy and lackadaisical for stretches...a lot of that goes back to Raptors hustle and defense)


Turnovers:
Warriors - 62
Raptors -48

Steals:
Warriors - 27
Raptors - 35

Usually Warriors can overcome these mistakes with incredible shooting, but Raptors are staying disciplined on offense and matching with their own big shots at critical times.

Surprisingly, both squads have the same amount of rebounds (you wouldn't think this as Raptors have a size advantage on the inside).

Raps have to do a better job on not letting GS get the offensive rebound. That 2nd attempt 3pt could have killed us if they were falling.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Biggest things in this series to me have been:

- hustle (huge advantage to the Raptors)
- discipline (warriors have been extremely sloppy and lackadaisical for stretches...a lot of that goes back to Raptors hustle and defense)


Turnovers:
Warriors - 62
Raptors -48

Steals:
Warriors - 27
Raptors - 35

Usually Warriors can overcome these mistakes with incredible shooting, but Raptors are staying disciplined on offense and matching with their own big shots at critical times.

Surprisingly, both squads have the same amount of rebounds (you wouldn't think this as Raptors have a size advantage on the inside).

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Raps have to do a better job on not letting GS get the offensive rebound. That 2nd attempt 3pt could have killed us if they were falling.

Long shots = long rebounds. the farther the shot and miss, the farther the ball goes because it has more force behind it.
I think the turnover stats show a lot of torontos defense and ability to clamp down on steph. When Steph doesn't score the team shuts it down and Van Vleet has been a stellar defender this series.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Long shots = long rebounds. the farther the shot and miss, the farther the ball goes because it has more force behind it.

That's a good point. Probably a big reason why Steph and Iggy are their 2nd and 3rd best rebounders.


I was impressed with Green's shooting 41% from 3, til I realized Klay is at 59%. Unreal.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Ok then the conclusion is a lot of people were/are wrong outright. This is what happens when you destroy a dynasty by an unsung hero. People cannot accept it for what it is.

People are wrong by saying a lot of the Warriors are injured? How is that wrong? It’s the truth. The outcome of the series is black and white, but the equation of it is very grey. Oh and Kawhi is no unsung hero. He’s a finals MVP for christ sake.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by bulljh

People are wrong by saying a lot of the Warriors are injured? How is that wrong? It’s the truth. The outcome of the series is black and white, but the equation of it is very grey. Oh and Kawhi is no unsung hero. He’s a finals MVP for christ sake.

I didn’t say Kawhi. The unsung hero are the raptors. Don’t forget, Lowry and Kawhi are banged up and injured. They’re just playing through their injury rather than sitting.

[clipperboy24]

That game last night was crazy, still can’t believe the raptors came back and dominated in the 2nd half. Even with the injured warriors players, this is one impressive Toronto performance

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I didn’t say Kawhi. The unsung hero are the raptors. Don’t forget, Lowry and Kawhi are banged up and injured. They’re just playing through their injury rather than sitting.

Injured vs Hurt

The terms “being injured” and “being hurt” are very different from each other. Being hurt means “having a sensation of pain, physically or mentally” while “injured” implies “to cause or do any kind of harm, such as a tear, severe sprain, etc.”

[byronscott4ever]

In a hotel room last night watching the game with every intention of watching the entire game. Fell asleep, woke up after my son reacted to a basket and that woke me up. I hear the announcer say Raptors up by 16 and I say “16?!” My son goes yeah and I’m instantly awake and had to watch it to the end. I was impressed by the finishing kick.

[codered]

Best thing about game 4 is it blew the “warriors are injured” crap out of the water. You had Klay and Looney back. Both played well, better than their season averages and play significant minutes. Klay has even said the injury didn’t affect his play. You still lost at home. Greatest home court advantage in the league, you lost and fans were leaving early. You lost game one and four full strength minus KD. Both teams are banged up. Raps are just better than the warriors. Don’t even bring up KD cause raps fans were told you didn’t need him and it would still be a cake walk. One more game to go

[codered]

Originally Posted by bulljh

People are wrong by saying a lot of the Warriors are injured? How is that wrong? It’s the truth. The outcome of the series is black and white, but the equation of it is very grey. Oh and Kawhi is no unsung hero. He’s a finals MVP for christ sake.

The raptors are injured. How is it wrong? It’s the truth.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by codered

The raptors are injured. How is it wrong? It’s the truth.

To me, an injury means you are out. You physically can not play. Klay and Looney were injured in game 3 but played hurt last night. There’s a difference. None of the Raptors were/are injured...they are playing hurt.