PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[ThoseBackPages]

well done! i hope you guys take this to the people soon

[corndog]

PSA Cert #42313726

1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson RC #79

Value gain of $8,324.00

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-4.5 on December 04, 2016 for $3276.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1390834
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $11,600.00 on March 12, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1923092

More vomit from the listing description: "This card screams quality with it's glowing yellow background, virtually zero excess print and flawless registration. The edges are perfectly maintained with out chipping and the borders are immaculate. The card possesses wonderful framing and four minimally EXMT corners to boot. All told, this is a tremendous example of an absolutely iconic rookie card. As investors continue to aggressively target this premier commodity the value of this card seems poised to soar over the coming years."

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares show edge repair and/or trimming.
Red circles note where color has been added.

[superdan49]

Your '48 Leaf Musial is the third altered one sold by PWCC we've found. And all 3 trim jobs earned those PWCC eye appeal stickers:


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[KhalDrogo]

Gary Moser and PWCC have to be the most arrogant pairing I’ve ever come across. Or maybe they’re just that stupid. Continuing to go about displaying all the evidence for us to find. Quite amazing.

[JMANIA]

Disappointing PWCC allows Gary Moser to both bid and sell (and even get the Certified High End). He was outed as a card doctor years ago on net54 and the vintage industry. PSA often getting paid at least twice to grade the same cards, PWCC selling them at least twice. PSA on the hook for the buyback. But PWCC should be on the hook for the above market value realization caused by the sticker as part of the buyback. Uh oh, conflict here, PSA deems that an alteration but PWCC an act of "conservation". The card doctors need to be ostracized throughout the entire industry - by the grading companies, third party sellers (consignment houses, auction houses), card shows, etc.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #27113399

1952 Bowman Large Jim Lansford SP #144

Value gain of $650.11

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-4 on February 21, 2017 for $332.89. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1504763
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-5 for $983.00 on June 18, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430216

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Pretty obvious that staining has been removed.

Nice find. This one is funny. All that work getting out those stains and only went up one grade.

[steadned36]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

Disappointing PWCC allows Gary Moser to both bid and sell (and even get the Certified High End). He was outed as a card doctor years ago on net54 and the vintage industry. PSA often getting paid at least twice to grade the same cards, PWCC selling them at least twice. PSA on the hook for the buyback. But PWCC should be on the hook for the above market value realization caused by the sticker as part of the buyback. The card doctors need to be ostracized throughout the entire industry - by the grading companies, third party sellers (consignment houses, auction houses), card shows, etc.

Say it with me...Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching. Going to take criminal proceedings to stop the train at this point. Given the money they're making doing this I'm guessing it would take nothing less. Surely the folks involved have decided to engage in this behavior with a measured risk-of-ruin in the equation - In other words, for them the crime is worth the time, otherwise it wouldn't be as pervasive as it's going to be shown to be. I have no doubt that there will be 1000's of cards proven to be altered by these characters. A terrible look for the hobby.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #42313726

1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson RC #79

Value gain of $8,324.00

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-4.5 on December 04, 2016 for $3276.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1390834
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $11,600.00 on March 12, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1923092

More vomit from the listing description: "This card screams quality with it's glowing yellow background, virtually zero excess print and flawless registration. The edges are perfectly maintained with out chipping and the borders are immaculate. The card possesses wonderful framing and four minimally EXMT corners to boot. All told, this is a tremendous example of an absolutely iconic rookie card. As investors continue to aggressively target this premier commodity the value of this card seems poised to soar over the coming years."

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares show edge repair and/or trimming.
Red circles note where color has been added.

These descriptions are some of the funniest things I’ve ever read

[JMANIA]

Overhyped descriptions and often youtube videos endorsing altered gems which the problem appears they should have known were altered based upon the consignor.

[HarryLime]

With Moser it's definitely an ego thing. He's been using the same eBay handle for over a decade now despite having it been outed that whole time. He wants people to know that it's him and he wants people to know that he's so good that PSA can't catch him. Brent has also been selling his cards for the past decade despite him being outed as a doctor, as well.

It's just as much an ego thing with Brent. Just look at the tenets. He's so full of himself that he believes something is true as long as it comes out of his mouth. Ego is what brought down Mastro. Pride comes before the fall.

Arthur

[JMANIA]

Some of these auctions would have gone even lower but cards doctors are bidding with the intent of doctoring the cards.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

With Moser it's definitely an ego thing. He's been using the same eBay handle for over a decade now despite having it been outed that whole time. He wants people to know that it's him and he wants people to know that he's so good that PSA can't catch him. Brent has also been selling his cards for the past decade despite him being outed as a doctor, as well.

It's just as much an ego thing with Brent. Just look at the tenets. He's so full of himself that he believes something is true as long as it comes out of his mouth. Ego is what brought down Mastro. Pride comes before the fall.

Arthur

It's actual pride GOES before the fall. But yes.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27113376

1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson RC #50

Value gain of $1,097.81

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-6 on December 04, 2016 for $2,025.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1390849
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $3,122.81 on March 11, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1619533

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red square show edge trimming.
Red circle notes where color has been added.

[JMANIA]

No public acknowledgment yet, but an instructional video how to determine how much your PSA cards are worth:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidse.../#4659d125755b

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

Disappointing PWCC allows Gary Moser to both bid and sell (and even get the Certified High End). He was outed as a card doctor years ago on net54 and the vintage industry. PSA often getting paid at least twice to grade the same cards, PWCC selling them at least twice. PSA on the hook for the buyback. But PWCC should be on the hook for the above market value realization caused by the sticker as part of the buyback. Uh oh, conflict here, PSA deems that an alteration but PWCC an act of "conservation". The card doctors need to be ostracized throughout the entire industry - by the grading companies, third party sellers (consignment houses, auction houses), card shows, etc.

Yes, but these are only actors that are currently KNOWN.

[GatorPie]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #27113376

1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson RC #50

Value gain of $1,097.81

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-6 on December 04, 2016 for $2,025.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1390849
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $3,122.81 on March 11, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1619533

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red square show edge trimming.
Red circle notes where color has been added.

That's the biggest slice of a card I've seen him take off yet. I think the card was originally a bit oversized, which must have made Moser's eyes light up.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

No public acknowledgment yet, but an instruction video how to determine how much your PSA cards are worth:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidse.../#4659d125755b

David Seideman is more cheerleader than journalist and should not be taken seriously as an industry reporter.

[base set]

“edges perfectly maintained”

[JMANIA]

Only good aspect of this is this is more proof that population reports and overstated in that the same card is being graded multiple times and cracked out - by Moser to alter and attempt to get a better grade. Or for crackouts to try and get a better grade without alteration. Then again, it also means population reports are meaningless.

[mjohnatgt]

That's a good point; once PSA gives a refund for these altered cards, they should also be removing both before and after cert numbers from the records.

[anusinha]

These cards are being sent through the mail right?

So that's what, 10,000 counts of mail fraud?

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by anusinha

These cards are being sent through the mail right?

So that's what, 10,000 counts of mail fraud?

The question is whether trimming and recoloring constitutes criminal fraud or is a civil matter. I'll defer to the lawyers on here on that question. The second question is whether federal investigators and prosecutors are actually motivated enough to learn about this hobby in order to fully understand what is going on here.

Agent John Ferreira who spearheaded Operation Bullpen was a collector himself. I think it will take someone who understands the hobby to seriously move this forward.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by anusinha

These cards are being sent through the mail right?

So that's what, 10,000 counts of mail fraud?

And sold over the internet, which would be wire fraud.

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by anusinha

These cards are being sent through the mail right?

So that's what, 10,000 counts of mail fraud?

Yeah, there's plenty of laws Feds could utilize on this. Question just becomes if they have the will. I thought the suggestion to reach out to the lawyer who handled the Maestro case was a brilliant one. I think it would need to come from one of the victims but I'm not sure about that.

[GatorPie]

So are the victims of this going to contact PSA about their guarantee? Seems PSA should refund the entire amount they paid in exchange for the card. If they refuse, seems like you could sue the pants off them and add some punitive damages.


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Refund the difference in value between the original PSA grade and the current PSA grade if the grade is lowered. In this case, the card will also be returned to the customer along with the refund for the difference in value.

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