Trimmed 1999 SP Signature Nolan Ryan PSA 10 (PWCC- Sold May 15th)

3124508 on COMC · 05-18-2019, 01:32 PM

Obvious trimming on bottom and left edges, but the bottom left corner area says it all. Card was in same sub as trimmed 2001 SP Ichiro /50 that PWCC sold. ALL cards in PSA slabs starting with 43181 and 43182 and for sale from PWCC should be assumed to be trimmed. More proven trimmed cards from this sub in other sports will be called out shortly.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ure-1960330860

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1980335

spuds1961 · 05-18-2019, 01:36 PM

Another day another trim job.

KhalDrogo · 05-18-2019, 01:40 PM

$6 more in Paypal fees for PWCC to lose after refund.

pskell02 · 05-18-2019, 01:40 PM

Has anyone approached the FBI about this? Are people telling PWCC about these cards and they aren’t doing anything? If they are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, someone needs to get in touch with the proper authorities.

3124508 on COMC · 05-18-2019, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

Has anyone approached the FBI about this? Are people telling PWCC about these cards and they aren’t doing anything? If they are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, someone needs to get in touch with the proper authorities.

They're taking them down, but they're only taking them down one by one as we call them out. Similarly for historical sales, they are only taking action on a per card basis. So, the forums are their only check for trimmed cards.

It would be much more effective if they took down entire consignments and released a list of cards that these consignors submitted to PWCC.

mjohnatgt · 05-18-2019, 02:10 PM

So much for "we will no longer work with scammers." Maybe they'll stop next month?

NickM · 05-18-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

$6 more in Paypal fees for PWCC to lose after refund.

I'm guessing the buyer hasn't paid on this yet, because PWCC combines shipping

SanAntonioSpurs · 05-18-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

Has anyone approached the FBI about this? Are people telling PWCC about these cards and they aren’t doing anything? If they are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, someone needs to get in touch with the proper authorities.

They're taking them down now because it's getting a lot of attention and they can't ignore it. But back in Dec last year when I messaged them on a card with proof that it was altered they replied "thanks" and let the auction sell.

Chucky · 05-18-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

They're taking them down, but they're only taking them down one by one as we call them out. Similarly for historical sales, they are only taking action on a per card basis. So, the forums are their only check for trimmed cards.

It would be much more effective if they took down entire consignments and released a list of cards that these consignors submitted to PWCC.

They don’t have any choice after you have provided proof and called them out in public. Hopefully they’re feeling the pinch in their bank account. Truly the only thing that will stop them is loss of income.

Schocktown · 05-18-2019, 03:15 PM

That is one huge hunk of card gone, way past just a corner touchup. I think with all your great work it has become painfully obvious that the graders are definitely invested in these cards as well and most likely receiving kickback from preferred submitters.

luckyduck · 05-18-2019, 06:14 PM

These threads prove the consignors are shady and the grading companies are failing at their job. Stop buying graded and don't buy through PWCC and similar.

Chargers2012 · 05-18-2019, 06:33 PM

I wish PSA and BGS would make a statement about all these trim cards. I’m going to assume both companies will be at the National and collectors can confront them on this issue.

Jojo

mfw13 · 05-18-2019, 11:25 PM

Why would anybody pay a premium for this in PSA 10.....it's not a hard card to find, and since it's modern, probably 50% of the print run would grade PSA 10 if anybody bothered to submit them.

SetBuilder · 05-18-2019, 11:27 PM

Is anyone keeping a running list of these discoveries? Someone should do that.

Wiseguy917 · 05-18-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

Has anyone approached the FBI about this? Are people telling PWCC about these cards and they aren’t doing anything? If they are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, someone needs to get in touch with the proper authorities.

Why blame PWCC? PSA is to blame. If it’s in a PSA slab, PWCC shouldn’t have to worry about it authenticity, right?

SetBuilder · 05-18-2019, 11:47 PM

PWCC is essentially a large and sophisticated packing and shipping operation.

You can't expect them to also have their own in house grading and authentication service. In fact, the PWCC CEO would most certainly think that's a waste of his capital considering that there's three big, well known, cheaply priced TPA/Gs already on the market. No auctioneer would take that cost in-house. Ever. It makes no economic sense.

JrFinest · 05-19-2019, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

Why blame PWCC? PSA is to blame. If it’s in a PSA slab, PWCC shouldn’t have to worry about it authenticity, right?

I'm sure they slapped on their certified high grade sticker on it as well. They claim to have their own inspection process. lol.

Mstepper · 05-19-2019, 02:54 AM

do you not think they have a list of clients that buy known lesser grade cards, trim them for grade and sell exclusively through them? its win win for both accounts. they have to know it's being done.. how else would so many go exclusively through them.
I don't believe the authenticity or genuine nature of any of the big consignment sellers.

3124508 on COMC · 05-19-2019, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SetBuilder

PWCC is essentially a large and sophisticated packing and shipping operation.

You can't expect them to also have their own in house grading and authentication service. In fact, the PWCC CEO would most certainly think that's a waste of his capital considering that there's three big, well known, cheaply priced TPA/Gs already on the market. No auctioneer would take that cost in-house. Ever. It makes no economic sense.

Except PWCC does actually have its own grading service.

oaklandasfan · 05-19-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

Has anyone approached the FBI about this? Are people telling PWCC about these cards and they aren’t doing anything? If they are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, someone needs to get in touch with the proper authorities.

Lol🤔🤔

imbluestreak23 · 05-19-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Except PWCC does actually have its own grading service.

They do? Where are there slabs?

ThoseBackPages · 05-19-2019, 10:27 AM

"H.E."

HarryLime · 05-19-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

They do? Where are there slabs?

You don't need slabs to declare yourself a third-party grader.

Arthur

dhcollecting · 05-19-2019, 11:25 AM

i will never pay a premium for modern graded cards the whole grading business is unregulated and there is to much human error.

imbluestreak23 · 05-19-2019, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

You don't need slabs to declare yourself a third-party grader.

Arthur

okay, so what I'm seeing is that they are differentiating cards given a numerical grade based on eye appeal.

If I'm not mistaken, many posters on this board due just this EVERY day.

"What MJ Fleer RC should I buy?"

"Go with the best centered PSA 8 you can buy."

"Great advice, found one for a good deal but it was way O/C."

What am I missing? That's a rhetorical question.

05-18-2019, 01:32 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,436	Trimmed 1999 SP Signature Nolan Ryan PSA 10 (PWCC- Sold May 15th) Obvious trimming on bottom and left edges, but the bottom left corner area says it all. Card was in same sub as trimmed 2001 SP Ichiro /50 that PWCC sold. ALL cards in PSA slabs starting with 43181 and 43182 and for sale from PWCC should be assumed to be trimmed. More proven trimmed cards from this sub in other sports will be called out shortly. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ure-1960330860 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1980335 Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 05-18-2019 at 02:06 PM.

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05-18-2019, 06:14 PM	#11
luckyduck Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Canada Posts: 335 luckyduck	These threads prove the consignors are shady and the grading companies are failing at their job. Stop buying graded and don't buy through PWCC and similar. __________________ Collecting the Blue Jays, Diamondbacks (especially Paul Goldschmidt), and the Vegas Golden Knights -Side PCs: Low end/retro Angels, women's basketball, Teemu Selanne Ducks cards

05-18-2019, 11:47 PM	#16
SetBuilder Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paradise Posts: 376	PWCC is essentially a large and sophisticated packing and shipping operation. You can't expect them to also have their own in house grading and authentication service. In fact, the PWCC CEO would most certainly think that's a waste of his capital considering that there's three big, well known, cheaply priced TPA/Gs already on the market. No auctioneer would take that cost in-house. Ever. It makes no economic sense. Last edited by SetBuilder; 05-18-2019 at 11:55 PM.

05-18-2019, 01:36 PM	#2
spuds1961 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Terry,Ms. Posts: 39,645	Another day another trim job.

05-18-2019, 02:10 PM	#6
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,772 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	So much for "we will no longer work with scammers." Maybe they'll stop next month?

05-18-2019, 03:15 PM	#10
Schocktown Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 685	That is one huge hunk of card gone, way past just a corner touchup. I think with all your great work it has become painfully obvious that the graders are definitely invested in these cards as well and most likely receiving kickback from preferred submitters.

05-18-2019, 06:33 PM	#12
Chargers2012 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 225	I wish PSA and BGS would make a statement about all these trim cards. I’m going to assume both companies will be at the National and collectors can confront them on this issue. Jojo

05-18-2019, 11:25 PM	#13
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,805	Why would anybody pay a premium for this in PSA 10.....it's not a hard card to find, and since it's modern, probably 50% of the print run would grade PSA 10 if anybody bothered to submit them.

05-18-2019, 11:27 PM	#14
SetBuilder Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paradise Posts: 376	Is anyone keeping a running list of these discoveries? Someone should do that.

05-19-2019, 02:54 AM	#18
Mstepper Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,175	do you not think they have a list of clients that buy known lesser grade cards, trim them for grade and sell exclusively through them? its win win for both accounts. they have to know it's being done.. how else would so many go exclusively through them. I don't believe the authenticity or genuine nature of any of the big consignment sellers.

05-19-2019, 10:27 AM	#22
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dhcollecting Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,497 dhsportscards	i will never pay a premium for modern graded cards the whole grading business is unregulated and there is to much human error. __________________ Collecting Tony Gwynn High End and Bat Barrel and Logoman cards