Ronald Acuña - Page 335

KingInTheNorth · 04-18-2019, 02:41 PM

Can Acuna pitch? We sure could use him in bullpen

pewe · 04-18-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the one thing i *WILL* give to the TCU vs TC is that the production level is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH lower. much lower

Haha! You know print run stats are my catnip

And interestingly the print run on TC is only about 2x that of TCU. Update is ~2x TC and ~4x TCU.

BTW the monster print run for Acuna is actually HHN... 10x TCU and 2x Update.

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rodeogeek · 04-18-2019, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Haha! You know print run stats are my catnip

And interestingly the print run on TC is only about 2x that of TCU. Update is ~2x TC and ~4x TCU.

BTW the monster print run for Acuna is actually HHN... 10x TCU and 2x Update.

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Great info here. I’m also a sucker for print run.

HHN centering is however brutal. Of the 60 HHN I have... only about 10 are nicely centered.

ThoseBackPages · 04-18-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Haha! You know print run stats are my catnip

And interestingly the print run on TC is only about 2x that of TCU. Update is ~2x TC and ~4x TCU.

BTW the monster print run for Acuna is actually HHN... 10x TCU and 2x Update.

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i do not agree that 2018 TC is only twice as high as TCU

they made a LOT LOT LOT of 2018 Value Packs. A LOT

pewe · 04-18-2019, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i do not agree that 2018 TC is only twice as high as TCU

they made a LOT LOT LOT of 2018 Value Packs. A LOT

Haha! Remember TCU has a 100 card check list with limited inserts vs Topps Chrome’s 300 + many more inserts/parallels. So on an absolute basis there were 6x as many Topps Chrome base cards. But individually there were only 2x.

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ThoseBackPages · 04-18-2019, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Haha! Remember TCU has a 100 card check list with limited inserts vs Topps Chrome’s 300 + many more inserts/parallels. So on an absolute basis there were 6x as many Topps Chrome base cards. But individually there were only 2x.

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yes, but i think most folks do not realize how much retail they made

they cannot be calculated. and thats fine. over time, its not going to matter

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes, but i think most folks do not realize how much retail they made

they cannot be calculated. and thats fine. over time, its not going to matter

it cannot be calculated?!?

Red wave (hobby only) = 1:2458

Implied # hobby packs = 3,687,000

SuperFractors
Hobby pack odds = 1:20981
Retail pack odds = 1:20997

Implied # Retail packs (if you take out all the Supers in Hobby) = 2,609,288

At 6,296,288 packs 4 for each, and on average 1 insert, and a 300 card print run you get:
-- 36,870 each base card packed in Hobby
-- 26,093 each base card packed in Retail

ThoseBackPages · 04-18-2019, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

it cannot be calculated?!?

Red wave (hobby only) = 1:2458

Implied # hobby packs = 3,687,000

SuperFractors
Hobby pack odds = 1:20981
Retail pack odds = 1:20997

Implied # Retail packs (if you take out all the Supers in Hobby) = 2,609,288

At 6,296,288 packs 4 for each, and on average 1 insert, and a 300 card print run you get:
-- 36,870 each base card packed in Hobby
-- 26,093 each base card packed in Retail

you have far too much faith in the stated odds.

more power to you

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you have far too much faith in the stated odds.

more power to you

Haha! Touché... I can tell you that you are actually very correct with this... I have evidence of odds being waaaay off in some product.

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ThoseBackPages · 04-18-2019, 03:16 PM

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Haha! Touché... I can tell you that you are actually very correct with this... I have evidence of odds being waaaay off in some product.

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the sheer amount of value CASES available makes me feel they made plenty

but as i said, it really does not matter if the core four live up to what they are supposed to be

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you have far too much faith in the stated odds.

more power to you

Btw interestingly, if you are correct w/TC odds off, this implies TC is Topps’ largest money maker. It was already a close 2nd to flagship 1 + 2 + update... I estimate this would put it over the edge.

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crazy4kinsler · 04-18-2019, 03:18 PM

For what it's worth, I pulled another variation out of a hanger pack today. Bought four when I stopped to use the restroom on my delivery, and it was in one of them. That's now two I've pulled out of about 30 hanger packs thus far.

WIll be selling it to buy more hanger packs/hanger boxes. BTW, I also bought 3 more hanger boxes to add to the stash of hanger boxes/blaster boxes I'm hanging on to (I have been keeping those and busting any hanger packs I find).

ThoseBackPages · 04-18-2019, 03:18 PM

another thing, and you being a numbers guy, this shouldnt throw you, but WalMart Value Packs have 5 pinks, while Target Values have 3 (they started this in 2017)

maddux31 · 04-18-2019, 03:22 PM

Thought I’d contribute my modest stash. Have a handful of things on the way back from PSA as well. Real deal.

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

another thing, and you being a numbers guy, this shouldnt throw you, but WalMart Value Packs have 5 pinks, while Target Values have 3 (they started this in 2017)

Yep - at one point I looked at buying a case with those 5 pinks. I didn’t - now I regret it.

I haven’t tried to estimate pinks because of this issue

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pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by maddux31

Thought I’d contribute my modest stash. Have a handful of things on the way back from PSA as well. Real deal.

Doesn’t look so modest to me! Amazing cards!

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dream34 · 04-18-2019, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

it cannot be calculated?!?

Red wave (hobby only) = 1:2458

Implied # hobby packs = 3,687,000

SuperFractors
Hobby pack odds = 1:20981
Retail pack odds = 1:20997

Implied # Retail packs (if you take out all the Supers in Hobby) = 2,609,288

At 6,296,288 packs 4 for each, and on average 1 insert, and a 300 card print run you get:
-- 36,870 each base card packed in Hobby
-- 26,093 each base card packed in Retail

Wow! These calculations are awesome! Anyway you can take a guess at the number for normal Refractors (Non-Pink, Non-Prism, Non-Sepia, etc..basically the Silver Prizm of the set) of each player from 2018 TC?

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Wow! These calculations are awesome! Anyway you can take a guess at the number for normal Refractors (Non-Pink, Non-Prism, Non-Sepia, etc..basically the Silver Prizm of the set) of each player from 2018 TC?

Non-numbered...
Refractor = ~6,300
Prism = ~3,300
Negative = ~400

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KingInTheNorth · 04-18-2019, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Non-numbered...
Refractor = ~6,300
Prism = ~3,300
Negative = ~400

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Great to know.... thank you

dream34 · 04-18-2019, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Non-numbered...
Refractor = ~6,300
Prism = ~3,300
Negative = ~400

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Thanks!

Actually expected a much higher number on the regular Refractor. I've been recommending them and glad I did if the print run is anywhere near under 10k on them. At this point does anything Acuna have a better ROI% potential?

jraarmy · 04-18-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Non-numbered...
Refractor = ~6,300
Prism = ~3,300
Negative = ~400

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How bout the Xfractor? Have that by chance

pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Thanks!

Actually expected a much higher number on the regular Refractor. I've been recommending them and glad I did if the print run is anywhere near under 10k on them. At this point does anything Acuna have a better ROI% potential?

I’m hoping the answer is this...

More seriously I’m guessing TU Gold and Rainbow are the best bets right now. That is what I loaded on

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crazy4kinsler · 04-18-2019, 03:40 PM

I pulled the autograph version of this out of a $4 pack. Sold it for $175. That's a pretty alright ROI in my opinion.

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I’m hoping the answer is this...

More seriously I’m guessing TU Gold and Rainbow are the best bets right now. That is what I loaded on

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pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jraarmy

How bout the Xfractor? Have that by chance

The pink, sepia, xfractor would be complete guesses, as I don’t know the split on box runs. But if I had to guess pink > xfractor > sepia... and pink is near 6k and sepia is near 3k

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pewe · 04-18-2019, 03:46 PM

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