Pwcc shilling

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ih8ca

Why would he kill an auction left with time on it? Sounds like all you are doing is complaining that pwcc gets more money and there has to be shilling involved.

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[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

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Clearly some ulterior motive here.

[Vladfan1990]

when a 10k card is going for 50k clearly something isnt right, and if you are a consignor when it gets to 40k you should kill the auction, when you are running the average sale value to show how much a card has gone up over the past 5 years and its a rare card makes the average card seem like it went for alot more when you count the 50k as a sold card when its clearly not, certainly that is wrong and certainly you can't stop all shill bidding and all non payers

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Vladfan1990

when a 10k card is going for 50k clearly something isnt right, and if you are a consignor when it gets to 40k you should kill the auction, when you are running the average sale value to show how much a card has gone up over the past 5 years and its a rare card makes the average card seem like it went for alot more when you count the 50k as a sold card when its clearly not, certainly that is wrong and certainly you can't stop all shill bidding and all non payers

So if the bid was legit you would kill it because it got too high in price. That is freaking stupid. As a seller am I am going to cancel a 40K auction get charged a non refundable 250 to do so or do I ride it out, file the unpaid item complaint if it is not paid for and get that same 250.00 refunded? The choice is pretty clear.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Vladfan1990

when a 10k card is going for 50k clearly something isnt right, and if you are a consignor when it gets to 40k you should kill the auction, when you are running the average sale value to show how much a card has gone up over the past 5 years and its a rare card makes the average card seem like it went for alot more when you count the 50k as a sold card when its clearly not, certainly that is wrong and certainly you can't stop all shill bidding and all non payers

You’re trying to play the Federal Reserve in the sports card market. I’m genuinely amused.

[Vladfan1990]

your theory that unpaid cards dont go into the report is 100 percent wrong, i sent in a giannis that sold for 3500 in October I asked what day i'd get paid about a week after it ended and I was told November 4th i believe, then November 3rd i was told it wasn't paid for, thats a terrible way to run a business, and to disprove what you say that same unpaid card still shows up in the reports, good luck with PWCC

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Vladfan1990

your theory that unpaid cards dont go into the report is 100 percent wrong, i sent in a giannis that sold for 3500 in October I asked what day i'd get paid about a week after it ended and I was told November 4th i believe, then November 3rd i was told it wasn't paid for, thats a terrible way to run a business, and to disprove what you say that same unpaid card still shows up in the reports, good luck with PWCC

So now we have a tidbit of the real issue. Someone is simply butt-hurt. Notice you conveniently left the day the auctions ended out.

Some interesting story changes here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1252191

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

So now we have a tidbit of the real issue. Someone is simply butt-hurt.

The story reminded me to check for this thread. This was last November.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1252191

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

The story reminded me to check for this thread. This was last November.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1252191

Yeah and notice the changes from then to now and he never answered the real questions then, I am thinking neither really happened.

[ih8ca]

I just sent Brent a text at pwcc and said that some guy on blowout wants them to can auctions if they hit a certain percentage above what he thinks the market price is.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by ih8ca

I just sent Brent a text at pwcc and said that some guy on blowout wants them to can auctions if they hit a certain percentage above what he thinks the market price is.

Too bad he likely will not be able to provide us with his Ebay ID vlad is clearly the type buyer I would not want buying from me any smart seller would feel the same.

[ih8ca]

What is funny about the Crosby card he says is a 10k card. I was asked by a serious bidder to project my value of the card. I had it at 25 to 30k. The market is crazy right now and real mne is starting to come out on cards. Look at basketball.
He says my 1952 mantle psa 5 was shilled and over priced. I just pulled the bid history up on the card.There was approx 12 unique bidders last night that had bids above last sale in a psa 5. That’s pretty impressive.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by ih8ca

What is funny about the Crosby card he says is a 10k card. I was asked by a serious bidder to project my value of the card. I had it at 25 to 30k. The market is crazy right now and real mne is starting to come out on cards. Look at basketball.
He says my 1952 mantle psa 5 was shilled and over priced. I just pulled the bid history up on the card.There was approx 12 unique bidders last night that had bids above last sale in a psa 5. That’s pretty impressive.

Some just cannot comprehend that there are buyers out there with very deep pockets that will generally only buy from certain sellers. I have specific sellers I prefer to buy from and sometimes knowingly will pay more from them.

[Vladfan1990]

your right i was completely wrong i was supposed to be paid 11-12
Thank you for consigning with PWCC in our recent Auction #9. Consignor payments are scheduled to be issued tomorrow, Monday, November 12th.



Even with our robust collection efforts, a small percentage of auction items are not paid for by the buyers (about 1% of total auction by item count and 2% by item value).



I am writing to let you know that unfortunately, the buyer did not pay for one or more items that you consigned. The item(s) include:



$3501 2013 Immaculate Collection Giannis Antetokounmpo RC AUTO PATCH /99 BGS 8.5(PWCC), thats how you treat people item ended 10-24, I emailed them to confirm the date i was going to get paid they said the 12th, never once mentioned the card hadn't been paid, as for anyone else just go lookup Bill Mastro and see all the stuff he did, its one thing to not get paid its another thing to have a 3500 dollar card sitting there and them not telling you it wasn't paid for

[ih8ca]

I just went to the pwcc website and within 10 seconds, found out it was not paid for. So pwcc does report cards that are not paid for.

[chezball]

So the op cosigns with pwcc and when the card he sends them didn't get paid for, he proceeds to bad mouth them. It's not his fault he didn't get paid for the card.
This might be the only time I side with pwcc.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by chezball

So the op cosigns with pwcc and when the card he sends them didn't get paid for, he proceeds to bad mouth them. It's not his fault he didn't get paid for the card.
This might be the only time I side with pwcc.

What gets me is the OP complaint is about shill bidding. Is he saying his card was shilled? If so then I have to ask the OP why did you not pay or ensure you were the second highest bidder?

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by ih8ca

I just went to the pwcc website and within 10 seconds, found out it was not paid for. So pwcc does report cards that are not paid for.

I found it as well. As i said in the other thread I am not sure what their payment time limit is, but 10 days is not unheard of to wait for payment. If they are set at 7 days to file a claim then it will be a minimum of 11 days before they can cancel it.

[Vladfan1990]

352592905173 350k i rest my case second high bidder 100 percent bid activity and 10 feedback, clearly something is going on

[Vladfan1990]

oh wait the pippen and duncan like it had the same bidder as 2nd high, at best pwcc is enabling this

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Vladfan1990

oh wait the pippen and duncan like it had the same bidder as 2nd high, at best pwcc is enabling this

Again HOW DO THEY STOP IT?

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Vladfan1990

352592905173 350k i rest my case second high bidder 100 percent bid activity and 10 feedback, clearly something is going on

That could be, but its most likely the card owner doing it not PWCC which everyone knows happens, so that brings us back to the same question.. How do they stop it?

The answer is there is ZERO way to stop it 100% of the time.

The best thing to do is grow up get over your hurt feelings its been 5 months and move on stressing over this is useless, your posts are not hurting them inn fact it could have the opposite effect on them..

[ih8ca]

My gut tells me the second bidder on these auctions is legit. It’s way too risky to put a bid of 350k on a card that you don’t know if you have a second bidder.If you win the card back you are responsible for 8% of the sale price. This might be one of the most watched cards ever.it would be very hard to sell this card if there is doubt the underbidder with 10 feedbacks. Congratulations to both the buyer and seller of the card. I hope both parties are happy.

[shrevecity]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1273982

He whines about Probstein as well.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by ih8ca

My gut tells me the second bidder on these auctions is legit. It’s way too risky to put a bid of 350k on a card that you don’t know if you have a second bidder.If you win the card back you are responsible for 8% of the sale price. This might be one of the most watched cards ever.it would be very hard to sell this card if there is doubt the underbidder with 10 feedbacks. Congratulations to both the buyer and seller of the card. I hope both parties are happy.

That is true about the 8% so you could be right. With shills like that there are also often the tell-tell retraction/rebid that did not happen here either.