Tobias Harris to the 76ers !!!! - Page 2

theleica · 02-06-2019, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sixers absolutely killed this deal. Smart move after smart move has really catapulted them into contention.

I think they’re the best team on paper in the East right now. I really hope it’s a Sixers/Bucks ECF

Both teams did great. The Clippers got 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders as well as Landry Shamet for an expiring contract. They probably could have resigned Tobias Harris but that would have messed with their 2 superstar plan.

The Sixers hands down have the best starting 5 in the East. Need some bench help but I am sure some people will be available down the line off the waivers.

jcardstore · 02-06-2019, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by theleica

Both teams did great. The Clippers got 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders as well as Landry Shamet for an expiring contract. They probably could have resigned Tobias Harris but that would have messed with their 2 superstar plan.

The Sixers hands down have the best starting 5 in the East. Need some bench help but I am sure some people will be available down the line off the waivers.

Just bring in a bunch of shooters. I really like what the Sixers are doing

blinkme323 · 02-06-2019, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Gave up a lot for a guy who likely won't stay after this year.

Who are your sources on this one? The Sixers can easily re-sign him if they want.

theleica · 02-06-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Just bring in a bunch of shooters. I really like what the Sixers are doing

Yup. I am sure plenty will be available by the March 1 deadline.

Wolves4Life · 02-06-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blinkme323

Who are your sources on this one? The Sixers can easily re-sign him if they want.

Simmons will need to be locked up, Butler, Get a better bench, Harris will cost them too much imo. Harris will get a big deal in FA that 6ers can't afford. This isn't MLB FA lol.

jcardstore · 02-06-2019, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Simmons will need to be locked up, Butler, Get a better bench, Harris will cost them too much imo. Harris will get a big deal in FA that 6ers can't afford. This isn't MLB FA lol.

Go look up the 2019-20 Sixers cap for next season. They have plenty of money to sign Harris and a few decent bench players

Wolves4Life · 02-06-2019, 08:29 AM

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Go look up the 2019-20 Sixers cap for next season. They have plenty of money to sign Harris and a few decent bench players

Harris will get a huge contract, Bench/role players sadly are not cheap anymore.

nickha2 · 02-06-2019, 08:32 AM

This was an all in move by philly for this year. They essentially gave up a first round pick for a half year rental in Tobias Harris. There is no way you can convince me that the 76ers can max out both Butler and Harris next year. One of them is gone and it will be extremely costly for what they gave up.

Boo · 02-06-2019, 08:35 AM

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This was an all in move by philly for this year. They essentially gave up a first round pick for a half year rental in Tobias Harris. There is no way you can convince me that the 76ers can max out both Butler and Harris next year. One of them is gone and it will be extremely costly for what they gave up.

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Wolves4Life · 02-06-2019, 08:37 AM

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This was an all in move by philly for this year. They essentially gave up a first round pick for a half year rental in Tobias Harris. There is no way you can convince me that the 76ers can max out both Butler and Harris next year. One of them is gone and it will be extremely costly for what they gave up.

They should let Butler walk. Harris is better and not a headache.

nickha2 · 02-06-2019, 08:40 AM

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I understand their intentions but its impossible to have 3 players signed to the max with Ben simmons wanting a max in 2 years as well.

nickha2 · 02-06-2019, 08:50 AM

Besides how can you have 4 guys that demand the ball. I feel like Butlers head is going to explode now.

hxcmilkshake · 02-06-2019, 08:52 AM

Idk that seems like alot for Tobias Harris...idk if he's a difference maker of any kind..

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nickha2 · 02-06-2019, 08:54 AM

Muscala simply isn't a starting-caliber player. Tobias is more a replacement for Wilson Chandler, which is a significant upgrade both in terms of overall talent and spacing. I think it would have been better for Philly to give up less and just get Mirotic while keeping Shamet, but Tobias almost certainly helps the spacing at PF. We'll see what they do with the wings.

I'm still skeptical that these parts will fit together and still think they're the 4th best team in the conference. But the potential is there for them to make a run if the pieces end up fitting better than I expect.

smalltown · 02-06-2019, 08:59 AM

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I'm still skeptical that these parts will fit together

I agree not sure this really works and it doesn't really do much to address what i think Phillys problem is and that's depth.

NeedChapmans · 02-06-2019, 09:02 AM

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Besides how can you have 4 guys that demand the ball. I feel like Butlers head is going to explode now.

Kind of what I see. Butler / Simmons / Embiid wasn't enough? You need another guy who thrives on 16 shots a game?

Reserving judgement until I see how Philly considers making this work, but I have to imagine they stagger the minutes so that these four are only on the floor 8-12 minutes a game. Two firsts, two seconds and Shamet is a lot to give up for Tobias. We'll see.

clipperboy24 · 02-06-2019, 09:02 AM

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Hate to see Harris leave, but Clips got as much as possible for Harris.
Gave clips option to rebuild or trade for another star.

Shocked to see the clippers get the Miami pick and a Sixers 1st round pick. I think this Sixers team just vaulted to the top of the East. Now they have four legitimate 20+ POV guys who can all thrive in the Sixers offense. Tobias plays great off the ball and should be a great fit in philly. Boban gives more depth at center and Mike Scott is an upgrade over Muscala.

Anyone saying the Sixers lost their depth hasn’t watched any clippers games this year

clipperboy24 · 02-06-2019, 09:06 AM

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Besides how can you have 4 guys that demand the ball. I feel like Butlers head is going to explode now.

You must not have watched much Harris this year, he didn’t create much of his own offense and thrives on catch and shoots and one dribble shots and being fed the ball. Simmons assists are going to go up now.

I still think the Sixers gave up way too much for him but the Clippers could have signed and traded him to another team this summer so they had a little more leverage than people gave them credit for

jcardstore · 02-06-2019, 09:13 AM

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They should let Butler walk. Harris is better and not a headache.

Yet another terrible take... Harris is not even close to the player Butler is.

smalltown · 02-06-2019, 09:14 AM

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Anyone saying the Sixers lost their depth hasn’t watched any clippers games this year

I've watched a lot of Clippers games (following my boy SGA). I don't think that Philly in any way improved their depth. At best it's a wash in terms of depth. I'm not sure Harris is all that good a fit for Philly. Much of his scoring comes off of unassisted 2pt fgs. Those are going to be hard to come by in Philly. He's an upgrade to their starting line up but not sure he's a world changer.

Honestly, Mike Scott is the type of player they needed to pick up and may be the best fit for them.

clipperboy24 · 02-06-2019, 09:16 AM

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Yet another terrible take... Harris is not even close to the player Butler is.

When you factor in the headache effect, it’s closer than you think. But yes, Butler is a much better defender but Tobias is a more skilled offensive player. Now that he is with a world class facilitator it should be fun to see him play with the Sixers. I think people are underestimating how much this upgrades their team

jcardstore · 02-06-2019, 09:18 AM

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I've watched a lot of Clippers games (following my boy SGA). I don't think that Philly in any way improved their depth. At best it's a wash in terms of depth. I'm not sure Harris is all that good a fit for Philly. Much of his scoring comes off of unassisted 2pt fgs. Those are going to be hard to come by in Philly. He's an upgrade to their starting line up but not sure he's a world changer.

Honestly, Mike Scott is the type of player they needed to pick up and may be the best fit for them.

Harris is 40% on catch and shoot 3s (takes 3.3 per game) so I think he'll be just fine. He definitely won't be a worse fit than Chandler and is much more talented

clipperboy24 · 02-06-2019, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

I've watched a lot of Clippers games (following my boy SGA). I don't think that Philly in any way improved their depth. At best it's a wash in terms of depth. I'm not sure Harris is all that good a fit for Philly. Much of his scoring comes off of unassisted 2pt fgs. Those are going to be hard to come by in Philly. He's an upgrade to their starting line up but not sure he's a world changer.

Honestly, Mike Scott is the type of player they needed to pick up and may be the best fit for them.

If a player dribbles at all its unassisted, Tobias gets a lot of 1-2 dribble shots created by a pass or screen. Plus he is a great off the ball shooter, I could be wrong, but I think he’ll be a great fit in philly. With Mike Scott they improved their depth and with Harris improved their starting lineup. Time will tell, but I think this trade makes them a legit contender, at an expensive price though

Zacy87 · 02-06-2019, 09:19 AM

On paper the trade is great for Philly. If everything works out exactly how they plan it, it's a win for them. I doubt everything works out and that's when the trade looks like a fail for Philly.

smalltown · 02-06-2019, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Harris is 40% on catch and shoot 3s (takes 3.3 per game) so I think he'll be just fine. He definitely won't be a worse fit than Chandler and is much more talented

I'm not saying he's a bad fit. I just don't think he moves the needle much. And as i said before i think depth was Phillys problem.

02-06-2019, 08:32 AM	#33
nickha2 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lambeau Field Posts: 6,907	This was an all in move by philly for this year. They essentially gave up a first round pick for a half year rental in Tobias Harris. There is no way you can convince me that the 76ers can max out both Butler and Harris next year. One of them is gone and it will be extremely costly for what they gave up. __________________ We have numbered to 99, numbered to 99. MR. Brandon Cooks, Brandon Cooks...... Brandon Cooks numbered to 99, Brandon Cooks numbered to 99. Sorry had to answer an email right quick.

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nickha2 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lambeau Field Posts: 6,907	Besides how can you have 4 guys that demand the ball. I feel like Butlers head is going to explode now. __________________ We have numbered to 99, numbered to 99. MR. Brandon Cooks, Brandon Cooks...... Brandon Cooks numbered to 99, Brandon Cooks numbered to 99. Sorry had to answer an email right quick.

02-06-2019, 08:54 AM	#39
nickha2 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lambeau Field Posts: 6,907	Muscala simply isn't a starting-caliber player. Tobias is more a replacement for Wilson Chandler, which is a significant upgrade both in terms of overall talent and spacing. I think it would have been better for Philly to give up less and just get Mirotic while keeping Shamet, but Tobias almost certainly helps the spacing at PF. We'll see what they do with the wings. I'm still skeptical that these parts will fit together and still think they're the 4th best team in the conference. But the potential is there for them to make a run if the pieces end up fitting better than I expect. __________________ We have numbered to 99, numbered to 99. MR. Brandon Cooks, Brandon Cooks...... Brandon Cooks numbered to 99, Brandon Cooks numbered to 99. Sorry had to answer an email right quick.

02-06-2019, 08:52 AM	#38
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,262 hxcmilkshake	Idk that seems like alot for Tobias Harris...idk if he's a difference maker of any kind.. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

02-06-2019, 09:19 AM	#49
Zacy87 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,659	On paper the trade is great for Philly. If everything works out exactly how they plan it, it's a win for them. I doubt everything works out and that's when the trade looks like a fail for Philly.