09-10 Stephen Curry NT RPA Platinum Sale ?

[theleica]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

BGS does RCR’s at the Chicago show so unklbnz likely brought the freshly trimmed card to the show raw, got it RCR’d as a BGS 9, and put it in his display case.

BGS does not slab cards at these shows. Honestly, with how much business BGS does at these events and with the “while you wait” service it’s no wonder trimmed cards slip through. These graders are flying through an unreal amount of orders that have to be done by days end.

What’s funny is that unklbnz was set up at this past years Chicago show right next to BGS (literally right up against their booth), but I did not see any BGS cards in his display case. Only PSA 10’s of cards that are extremely condition sensitive right out of the box.

It’s pretty clear here that unklbnz is one of the main trimmers in our hobby, especially the basketball card world in particular.

There are threads on other forums dating back to 2004 on unklbnz's trimming. It is pretty sad that 14 years later (2018) he is allowed to set up a booth at a card show.

[RogerGodahell]

Can't people just leave a beautiful card alone? The cards these people are trimming are painful to see.

[ThoseBackPages]

greed gets in these people's way

[RogerGodahell]

Who bought it the Fithdown guy?

[hairyangryfella]

I have to LOL at a known shiller offering to take a lie detector test to prove he didn't trim a card... Oh how lovely of you, with your stellar reputation and completely honest behaviour in the past, we must believe you at once!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

BGS does RCR’s at the Chicago show so unklbnz likely brought the freshly trimmed card to the show raw, got it RCR’d as a BGS 9, and put it in his display case.

It still doesn't make sense to me why he wouldn't go for it and get it slabbed. I mean, clearly it had a shot at a 9.5. Because it was subsequently graded 9.5. He missed out on huge $$$ by not going for the gold. Literally.

BGS should put an end to all RCR on cards valued over a certain limit. $500? $1000? More? It's obviously a more rushed process than what is done in Dallas, which is already rushed to begin with.

[Deadshot]

So what is there left to figure out here? What information should we be going after now?

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Who bought it the Fithdown guy?

If that were the case I'd expect the OP to get his friend fifthdownsports in here to berate us.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Apark

If you search for the card on worthpoint, it was previously slabbed as an 8.5. May have possibly been altered?

Awwww. If I had a card boner after a purchase like this, it would certainly deflate.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by ClipsandVols

All of this is so similar to the Exquisite/BNC thread.
1. Stupid prices.
2. Trimmed cards.
3. BNC owning it at one point or another.
4. Blowout doing an awesome job.
5. The27Guy being the key to some important information (you know the partial screenshots and half typed-out/copy and pasted email stuff)
6. The27Guy not comprehending integral information/ knowing how to post screenshots ("I've done my best to screenshot this, I'm not very good at this".

All....so....similar.

If I'm jumping to conclusions, so be it. I can't wrap my brain around the fact that a person with a Master's degree keeps getting all of this relevant information but doesn't know what to do with it or how to post screenshots.

But then again, maybe he's just a nice guy who got a raw deal like some were saying BNC was in the Exquisite thread.

Well said. Same ol same ol. Rinse and repeat. Same names, same folks. Let the backpedaling and apology tour 2019 continue.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

So what is there left to figure out here? What information should we be going after now?

Nothing. We are no further today than we were 15 years ago.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ork-just-watch

Is Gdnitenow@aol.com the seller of the LeBron....his email that is.....if so, I know this person (know of him). His name is Jason (don't know his last name), and he used to attend the Frank & Son show (the biggest corrupt show) years ago here in California with all kinds of PSA 10 stuff. Not sure if that show still exists......it ran 2 times a month. Don't have a baseball beckett, but it was always in their calendar section.

unklbnz aka Jason Stern has been doing this for at least two decades! The card in question in that thread? It's The 2003 Lebron SPA Auto 469/500.

https://www.beckett.com/grading/card...3116140&flag=1

[buybuymj]

So now we know who graded those three straight Currys.

Tony aka limitedlogos says he bought 49/99 from chefcurry3030 - confirmed.
Jamison aka chefcurry3030 says he bought 49/99 from a person in China - unconfirmed.

You think it shows in the following picture?



https://imageshack.com/a/img922/8074/1OOrRK.png


It shows me these.

First, that Curry picture is a mixture of eBay pics. You can tell it in a second. chefcurry3030 must knew that as well.

Second, he even considered to buy all of them at once, from overseas. When you're willing to do that you must know his eBay user name and his feedback. He also said they started communicating via Whatapp in the end of 2015, it had started on "eBay" based on some cards he had listed.

Third, the left BGS 9.5 card in the second line sold through eBay on 10-30-2015. If that guy in China really bought it he would've received that card in early November at the earliest. And he's attemping to move all those cards just after a month, according to that picture.

We focused on "three straight" Currys submitted by BGS. Three straight super high end Currys. First one is trimmed, second one is faked patch, last one was not available for grading for some reason. People must felt that it can't be a coincidence, the one who graded them is most likely guilty.

But after listening to chefcurry3030's explanation, well, we feel it could happen.

To be fair, now it could be 50/50 on Curry's NT Platinum 2/5 that chefcurry3030 claims he bought it in a show from Jason Stern aka Unklbnz who's a well-known trimmer, because he's a ghost here.

It's like I can sell any fake card and when I'm asked about that I can easily say "Hey, I bought it from Jason Stern in the past, end of story. Thx for ur understanding." Either Jason Stern must feel bad as it graded 9.5 later, or he must feel bad because he's not involved this time. Oh, he must feel bad either way, I feel bad for him.

If chefcurry3030 can prove either he really bought 2/5 from Unklbnz or he really bought 49/99 from a guy in China, he can be totally free with this I think. Because we felt those three straight Currys can't be a coincidence and it must have been from the same individual's working, but when he proves either he bought 2/5 from Unklbnz or 49/99 from China it's no longer three straight, no longer from the same individual's working.

I think it would be much easier to prove of buying 49/99 from China than 2/5 from Unklbnz, as he says he bought 2/5 from in a show but 49/99 must went through eBay messages and PayPal.

So, what's the Chinese guy's eBay user name?

[imbluestreak23]

I'll stick up for the consigners and flip my original thoughts on the role that they should play in this (likely an unpopular opinion but whatever. Trying to be realistic). I disagree with the notion that consignment folks like Ricky and PWCC need to listen to every "the card that you're selling is trimmed." Focusing on the 3-4 big trimmers and cutting them off....okay I get that request. But even this request is flawed. Those 3-4 big trimmers are gong to funnel their cards through party X who will then submit to Ricky and PWCC. See the issue? Ultimately these are the facts:

1) Consigners process a lot of cards and must field lots of questions. They do not have the time nor resources to investigate every issue. it's just not feasible.

2) Worthpoint exists. Given the resources available to buyers, consigners do not, nor should they have a fiduciary responsibility to perform in the best interest of the buyers bidding on their auctions. They are not in the business of performing buyer due diligence. Buyers are. They aren't real estate brokers or agents. They aren't REQUIRED to disclose anything as required by some law, and they aren't getting paid to represent a buyer. Buyers should AWLAYS investigate purchases for themselves. Auction houses...maybe different given tht they buyer is paying a buyers premium. Whether it's in the contract of a buyers premium, I have no idea.

[ninjacookies]

Soooo...probstein not alerted yet? Brent's been fairly good in pulling auctions when alerted to these kind of facts. Not sure about probstein or boyd though.

These consignment shops have to be aware they're the easy outs for criminals to rid themselves of inventory anonymously. That's the nature of this card business we're in, unfortunately.

[theLUCKYshow]

Great points buybuymj.

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[KhalDrogo]

The pictures did seem off. The date stamp is what led me to believe he was telling the truth.

However, the card was purchased with the original patch in a BGS 9 slab in March 2015. Why would you crack it out, swap the patch, and then not get it regraded when you know it will grade out mint? Makes zero sense.

The other red flag is the removal of Instagram posts with the cards in question.

[hairyangryfella]

Before you consider possibilities, remember that chefcurry is a blatant liar and shiller, basically a big ol' scumbag. So whatever he tells you, take with a grain of salt. I'm sure him innocently deleting IG pics is just a coincidence...

[coltsnsox07]

All I wanna know is...what's the tax liability on a sale like that.
Do you get a big fat 1099 with your capital gains?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Before you consider possibilities, remember that chefcurry is a blatant liar and shiller, basically a big ol' scumbag. So whatever he tells you, take with a grain of salt. I'm sure him innocently deleting IG pics is just a coincidence...

Yes yes yes.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=937135

Look who is asking about him too.

chefcurry3030 aka lakerskb824 aka exquisitecards3030 aka Jamison Sports Cards aka Jamison Long

[daviswr7]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

All I wanna know is...what's the tax liability on a sale like that.
Do you get a big fat 1099 with your capital gains?

Pwcc doesn’t issue 1099ks I know. Not sure about probstein..

Anyone know why these companies are NOT obligated to issue a 1099k???

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

March 2, 2015 - card sold on eBay by seller bmt_42099 with the original blue and orange patch

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-10-1747804972

***SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THESE TWO DATES THE PATCH WAS SWAPPED OUT***

Jamison Sports Cards (exquisitecards3030 on IG) purchases the card from a gentleman in China named Fanihyu sometime in 2016 (presumably early because he graded it on Jan 14).

I heard back from bmt_42099. He doesnt have the records of who he sold it to but he doubts he sold it to someone in China unless they had a PayPal account linked to an address in the US as he doesnt ship internationally. So no link to this Fanihyu guy.

I didnt realize this Jamison guys shady past in the hobby. And such a convenient answer to say he got the Steph NT 2/5 from unklbnz in retrospect, as many of you have pointed out.

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

I heard back from bmt_42099. He doesnt have the records of who he sold it to but he doubts he sold it to someone in China unless they had a PayPal account linked to an address in the US as he doesnt ship internationally. So no link to this Fanihyu guy.

I didnt realize this Jamison guys shady past in the hobby. Such a convenient answer to say he got it from unklbnz and some ghost in China in retrospect, as many of you have pointed out.

Seeing his past, I now have my doubts about his innocence. He’s admitted to subbing two altered cards. The third card, the Logoman, he claims was a GCR of the BGS 9 (#2/5). He clearly owned that card (it was pictured in his Instagram in August 2016). But did he own another?

When 4/5 was graded a 9.5 just one month after the initial three card sub, it was a single card submission. Again, what are the odds that two of the five Curry Logoman cards come through BGS in the span of one month?

And let’s not forget his connection to BNC. Based on some of the Instagram comments, the two definitely know each other. And the Platinum Curry was on BNC’s website.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

I heard back from bmt_42099. He doesnt have the records of who he sold it to but he doubts he sold it to someone in China unless they had a PayPal account linked to an address in the US as he doesnt ship internationally. So no link to this Fanihyu guy.

I didnt realize this Jamison guys shady past in the hobby. And such a convenient answer to say he got the Steph NT 2/5 from unklbnz in retrospect, as many of you have pointed out.

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He should be able to look at his PayPal history right? I think that history is maintained for a long time.

If he’s unable to provide anything, then the best we have to go off of is this coded user ID. Who out there has a current feedback of 8,905? That’s who he sold it to in March 2015.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by the27guy

He should be able to look at his PayPal history right? I think that history is maintained for a long time.



If he’s unable to provide anything, then the best we have to go off of is this coded user ID. Who out there has a current feedback of 8,905? That’s who he sold it to in March 2015.

Ok he should. I asked if he could look into his paypal and also provided him a screenshot of y*****y (8905) who knows.

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[buybuymj]

There's no need to look at PayPal history. It's bmt_42099's auction. He can simply click the following URL and see buyers' eBay user name, if he wants.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/141588652...2047675.l10137