A Very Important Paypal Dispute Learning Experience

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Since you're still here missing the point, are you going to respond as to what the hell you're getting at here??
Because it's one thing to troll, it's a whole other thing calling into question my morals...

I'm just stating a fact that you have figured out a way to sell counterfeit goods to people and not be responsible. Doesn't mean you do it, just that you've figured out a way. I personally cannot imagine how anyone can think they can sell someone a counterfeit good and not be responsible.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I'm just stating a fact that you have figured out a way to sell counterfeit goods to people and not be responsible. Doesn't mean you do it, just that you've figured out a way. I personally cannot imagine how anyone can think they can sell someone a counterfeit good and not be responsible.

How have I figured out a way to sell counterfeit goods??

My post that you put that reply to said:

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

You still don't get it.
By cracking it out before asking for a refund it is no longer in the same condition as received. It also means that the seller cannot try to return it to the person he bought it from due to it being fraudulent.

The reason I'm so upset about this situation is because it opens up all sorts of potential scams, if paypal are just going to refund a cracked out case. As if we need more in the hobby...
I do believe the buyer should receive a refund but I also believe they should have given the seller the opportunity to get their own, and shouldn't be just handed a refund by PayPal when they cracked the case.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

How have I figured out a way to sell counterfeit goods??

My post that you put that reply to said:



The reason I'm so upset about this situation is because it opens up all sorts of potential scams, if paypal are just going to refund a cracked out case. As if we need more in the hobby...
I do believe the buyer should receive a refund but I also believe they should have given the seller the opportunity to get their own, and shouldn't be just handed a refund by PayPal when they cracked the case.

Scammers sell counterfeit goods to people also, lol. That's like one of the more common scams out there. What possible justification can you come up with that you can sell someone a counterfeit card and not be responsible simply because they took the counterfeit you sold them out of a case? Good lord, if I had that belief, I would understand how sketchy it is and keep it to myself. Saying it out loud just demonstrates a complete lack of accountability. You sell fake goods, you are responsible. End of the story.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Scammers sell counterfeit goods to people also, lol. That's like one of the more common scams out there. What possible justification can you come up with that you can sell someone a counterfeit card and not be responsible simply because they took the counterfeit you sold them out of a case? Good lord, if I had that belief, I would understand how sketchy it is and keep it to myself. Saying it out loud just demonstrates a complete lack of accountability. You sell fake goods, you are responsible. End of the story.

You didn't answer my question. Where did I come up with a way to sell counterfeit goods? You run your mouth and then avoid the question, just like the other trolls I used to have to deal with.

And if you were the victim of a scam yourself, why should you have to suffer the huge loss, if there's a chance you could have gotten your money back too? The guy didn't knowingly sell a fake card (by all accounts) but he cannot go back to the guy he bought it from because the guy he sold it to altered it, and was somehow still allowed to return it.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

You didn't answer my question. Where did I come up with a way to sell counterfeit goods? You run your mouth and then avoid the question, just like the other trolls I used to have to deal with.

And if you were the victim of a scam yourself, why should you have to suffer the huge loss, if there's a chance you could have gotten your money back too? The guy didn't knowingly sell a fake card (by all accounts) but he cannot go back to the guy he bought it from because the guy he sold it to altered it, and was somehow still allowed to return it.

The guy he sold it to bought a 1986 Fleer MJ sold as authentic and received a counterfeit 1986 fleer mj. You as a seller are more responsible for determining whether or not the card in the PSA holder is authentic than the buyer. If the buyer does not care for PSA and just wants the contents, they are allowed to purchase your item and take the contents out. If he learns you sold him a counterfeit MJ, he can return it.

All I'm saying, is it doesn't surprise me the usual suspects who argue with me on everything, believe they can sell counterfeit goods to people and not be responsible for them. That doesn't surprise me at all.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pgisback

The guy he sold it to bought a 1986 Fleer MJ sold as authentic and received a counterfeit 1986 fleer mj. You as a seller are more responsible for determining whether or not the card in the PSA holder is authentic than the buyer. If the buyer does not care for PSA and just wants the contents, they are allowed to purchase your item and take the contents out. If he learns you sold him a counterfeit MJ, he can return it.

All I'm saying, is it doesn't surprise me the usual suspects who argue with me on everything, believe they can sell counterfeit goods to people and not be responsible for them. That doesn't surprise me at all.

STILL didn't answer my question based on your accusation, but deflect away!

My main concern here is the Pandora's Box opened by PayPal just giving a refund on a cracked out case.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

STILL didn't answer my question based on your accusation, but deflect away!

My main concern here is the Pandora's Box opened by PayPal just giving a refund on a cracked out case.

It also opens up the door for scammers selling counterfeit goods to be protected. And luckily, buyers are allowed to return counterfeits you sell them whether they are in a case or not.