LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 135

chezball · 01-08-2019, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Come on, OJ! My questions were intended to figure out how we protect ourselves as sellers. I'm about to block www.buynicecards because honestly I hadn't even thought about it until that post. When I said "Have most blocked him?", I was referring to all of us like you and me, not just his friends.

But seriously can we just stop coming at each other? First of all calling me a white knight is technically incorrect as Siberian13 knows, but it's just getting soooo old and not true. I've too easily become a distraction here.

So to the great pleasure of some of you and indifference to the rest of you, I will now bow out of this thread and hope that it continues to help expose the "dirty" in the hobby (go BODA go!).

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

You have the most posts in this thread, so I doubt this will be your last post.

Deadshot · 01-08-2019, 09:47 PM

Here's my updated list of questions for BNC. I'd also still like to locate the current owner of the trimmed Limited Logos if possible. Please keep an eye out for that card.

Background and business practices:

• How would you describe your business to someone that’s never visited your website?
• What percentage of your listings are cards that you own vs cards that you’re consigning for others?
• How many prominent collectors would you say you consign for?
• Obviously you've sold an incredible amount of cards over the years. How do you determine which sold cards are placed on your website? Like how did you choose the 2 Curry NT cards on your site now as opposed to these 3 you showed off on your IG at some point?
https://www.instagram.com/p/2OgKtBwp..._web_copy_link
• Do you research cards before you buy/trade for them (aside from just price)? If yes, how thorough is this effort?
• Do you keep a database of past transactions? This would seem ideal (and even responsible) for someone that’s constantly buying/selling as many cards as you do. If yes, why haven’t you disclosed this information? If you don’t keep one, why not? How do you know if you’ve profited from a sale without one? There’s no way you can remember that many prices in your head.
• The whole reason we’re having this conversation is the result of altered cards. We’ll get into specifics later. But what is your current protocol for dealing with trimmed/altered cards? It seems to vary by value.
• Although there’s nothing inherently evil about having someone else sell your cards, the practice allows card owners to hide their bad practices behind the consigner. Now that you’ve had a chance to look at your items listed for sale, is there anyone who you’ve sold for who’s sent you the highest number of altered items? Or more than one altered item?
• Is there anyone that you will not consign for going forward that you have in the past?
• Where do you stand morally on the issue of subbing over and over until you get the grade you want?
• You have admitted to doing this. How many times do you resub?
• You were featured in a 2016 piece for the website Sports Collectors Daily. In this article, you talk about sending cards with a friend to get them RCR’d. Why did you choose this route over sending to BGS directly?
• Do you ever sell RCR’d cards? There doesn’t appear to be any on your site.
• What’s the largest subgrade swing you’ve seen from bumping a card without changing the structure of a card?
• When you “bump” cards, as you stated that you do and don’t feel is wrong, what actions do you feel comfortable making on the cards before sending them in? What do you feel is appropriate? What is inappropriate?
• Some people feel that wiping a card down or rolling out edges/corners with a pen or similar instrument is okay. Do you ever engage in this activity?
• Have you ever sent a card to someone else so they can fix it for you in any way (not necessarily trimming)? If so, who did you send to?
• Where, to you, is the line where “cleaning” a card becomes “altering” a card?

Specific cards:
• In May of 2018, you were informed that an Allen Iverson Sign of the Times in your possession had a forged autograph on it. In response, you pulled the card from your website. What happened to the card after that? How did you/will you ensure that it doesn’t wind up in another collector’s hands?
• Evidence shows that a Kobe Game Breakers you had for sale on your site (and have since removed) had been trimmed. What happened to this card? Where is it now? What is your plan for the card going forward?
• You feature an MJ Epic Signatures card on your site that has the same serial number (7/23) as another copy of the card that’s been up for auction. Have you investigated this any? What are your thoughts on this card? When does a card become questionable enough that you don’t feel comfortable selling it?
• You listed the 87/99 LeBron for sale before it was altered (listed in 2013). Although you haven’t listed it for sale, you now own it and it has been altered. Can you take us through what happened with the card between the time you originally listed it and its current state?
• Your story about acquiring the 74/99 LeBron is different from Jack’s in a material way. He says that it was a three-way deal. You have said that the card came directly from Sohrob. Which is true? Can you give us any other details about the deal that may be helpful? Assuming that you state that Jack is lying, why would he? What does he have to gain by lying?
• You’ve been hesitant to act on either of the 2003 LeBron Exquisite cards – your defense here is that neither card is for sale at the moment. There’s solid proof that one of your LeBron auto/patches from 2009 has been altered as well, yet it still has a price tag of $16,999.99. Explain this rationale.
• What’s going to happen with this LeBron card? It’s currently graded a PSA 10.
• Your handling of the AI/Kobe cards and the LeBron’s are inconsistent at best. Is there a legitimate reason for this? It seems like your ethics change based on a card’s value.
• You described your deal with sohrob as “a rather large deal involving hundreds of cards, likely ones of the largest and most important deals to me personally that I have ever done.” What made this deal so important? How did this come about?
• Do you have any other cards left from sohrob’s collection that you can tell us about?

Going forward:

• In your lone post on the LeBron thread, you stated, “Given the course that this thread has taken I think it would be a lost opportunity to walk away from without learning anything.” What have you learned from this entire debacle about the cards you’ve owned and currently own?
• In the same post you also stated, “I absolutely think it's important that we as a group need to look out for each other and protect each other from the evils that exists in the hobby because there are many…. And honestly I’m probably not going to do much to change it but if my two best cards now having an asterisk next to them is what it takes to get change started then so be it, I’m willing.” What specifically did you mean by, “I’m willing?”
• What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since the Blowout thread started?
• If you haven’t implemented any concrete changes yet, why the delay? You personally stated, “It is my hope that it [the Blowout thread] can help us evolve and be a catalyst for positive change.”
• What will your future approach look like to handling altered cards?
• How will you deal with past buyers who, upon reading this thread and studying the cards that they purchased from you, discover that you sold them altered cards?

ninjacookies · 01-08-2019, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

You have the most posts in this thread, so I doubt this will be your last post.

His same old drivel.

The (go BODA go!) Adam homage was a cute touch.

gomiamigo · 01-09-2019, 03:50 PM

So, basically, none of the people itt save one who deal with BNC have said they've stopped dealing with him.

Shame.

Speaking of, let's name and shame all of them who came running to this thread to white knight his actions and other's unethical behavior, but refuse to state they won't deal with him further.

It seems like social opprobrium may be the only thing that can work here. Otherwise, they'll just continue to participate in a scam of hobbyists and collectors.

Yaz1966 · 01-09-2019, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jjohnson814

Well said, Eric.

As some of you know I have had the pleasure of working with Eric recently in building his new site. Eric and I have become close friends and I have great respect for his place in the hobby and the way he goes about his business. I wouldn't have involved myself with him if that were not the case. You can call me a white knight if you want and that's fine. Friends look out for each other. And to Eric's point, all contributing members of this hobby should look out for each other.

Some of you have gotten to know me through $%&$# and you have heard me talk about my primary focus being to move the hobby forward through positive sharing and friendships. You also know I've been involved in some of the darkest parts of the hobby with counterfeit cards. I saw the community take a huge step forward from that dark time and I think we can do it again here. We have to stick together and we have to welcome new members with open arms.

The trimming is awful. I will do whatever I can to rid it from our hobby the same way I have tried to rid it of counterfeits. But it starts with acceptance and discussion, not flaming and conspiracy theories.

I will continue to speak with all of you about this hobby we love and how we can continue to improve it. That includes contributing to this forum.

As my friend Adam the27guy always says...go blowout go.

.....

UltimateDeron · 01-09-2019, 06:12 PM

What are your thoughts on this Kidd Exquisite? I had planned on winning it until I noticed the top edge. It appears trimmed, and poorly at that. Does anyone else notice the downward slant of the top edge? Sure the scan isn’t perfectly straight but there’s a significant slant to that top edge. I noticed this most when viewing the back of the card. Notice how much space is between the “E” and the top edge, then how much space is between the “S” and the top edge. Thoughts?

2003-04 UD Exquisite Limited Logos Jason Kidd GU 4-Color Patch AUTO /50 BGS 9.5

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372562074178

the27guy · 01-09-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

What are your thoughts on this Kidd Exquisite? I had planned on winning it until I noticed the top edge. It appears trimmed, and poorly at that. Does anyone else notice the downward slant of the top edge? Sure the scan isn’t perfectly straight but there’s a significant slant to that top edge. I noticed this most when viewing the back of the card. Notice how much space is between the “E” and the top edge, then how much space is between the “S” and the top edge. Thoughts?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372562074178

Link just sends me to the ebay homepage.

UltimateDeron · 01-09-2019, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

Link just sends me to the ebay homepage.

What about now?

Edit: I’m not sure why it’s doing that. The title is listed in my original message.

ljandkg · 01-09-2019, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

What about now?

Nope......

the27guy · 01-09-2019, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

What about now?

Edit: I’m not sure why it’s doing that. The title is listed in my original message.

Got it. Man, I love that set.

I would suggest that seeing a little bit of imperfection is a good thing. Little tells that a trimmer would have removed but dont' take away from the card too much are a good thing. Look at the right edge directly horizontal to the "L"imited Logos.

There seems to be a pretty clear, allbeit small imperfection. I would guess it's probably okay. But I am NOT an expert on it.

In general, I wouldn't pay much more for a 9.5 exquisite card over an 8.5 exquisite card.

Also in general, that's a really cool card/set.

Deadshot · 01-09-2019, 07:19 PM

I'll look at it more when I'm on my computer and not the phone. The first thing that stood out to me is the auction has the wrong year listed, but that's not really a big deal.

johnyensmith123 · 01-10-2019, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

What about now?

Edit: I’m not sure why it’s doing that. The title is listed in my original message.

This is the one right?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-04-UD-...frcectupt=true

Another member had the same problem that had link redirecting to ebay homepage. I hate how ebay redirects pages, especially for sold item listings.

The Finest · 01-10-2019, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gomiamigo

So, basically, none of the people itt save one who deal with BNC have said they've stopped dealing with him.

Shame.

Speaking of, let's name and shame all of them who came running to this thread to white knight his actions and other's unethical behavior, but refuse to state they won't deal with him further.

It seems like social opprobrium may be the only thing that can work here. Otherwise, they'll just continue to participate in a scam of hobbyists and collectors.

This mob mentality has gotten completely out of control. It seems pretty obvious that BNC has a dark cloud around many of his high end cards. That doesn't mean every single card he owns has been trimmed and regraded. He has done THOUSANDS of deals. Do you expect 1,000 people to come to this thread with pitchforks saying they will never deal with him again? I do think it is a misguided argument in many cases to accuse people of being jealous. But here we have people who cant afford certain cards telling people who can afford to buy them that they shouldn't. That just reeks of jealousy. These high end collectors don't owe you anything more than someone who bought a $5 card from BNC. This thread should focus on what cards have been altered. Turning this into a platform to "shame" someone for sticking up for someone they trusted (wrongly trusted it appears) is ridiculous. I understand this is a major issue in the hobby and hopefully there is a positive resolution that comes from bringing it to the the light. But bashing longtime members who simply expressed their opinion in a time where they may not have had all the facts should not be one of them.

Mountaineer · 01-10-2019, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Finest

This mob mentality has gotten completely out of control. It seems pretty obvious that BNC has a dark cloud around many of his high end cards. That doesn't mean every single card he owns has been trimmed and regraded. He has done THOUSANDS of deals. Do you expect 1,000 people to come to this thread with pitchforks saying they will never deal with him again? I do think it is a misguided argument in many cases to accuse people of being jealous. But here we have people who cant afford certain cards telling people who can afford to buy them that they shouldn't. That just reeks of jealousy. These high end collectors don't owe you anything more than someone who bought a $5 card from BNC. This thread should focus on what cards have been altered. Turning this into a platform to "shame" someone for sticking up for someone they trusted (wrongly trusted it appears) is ridiculous. I understand this is a major issue in the hobby and hopefully there is a positive resolution that comes from bringing it to the the light. But bashing longtime members who simply expressed their opinion in a time where they may not have had all the facts should not be one of them.

No one is that jealous of cardboard cards to go on witch hunts. Most of the people in this thread just hate the fact that there is a group of high-end collectors that are doing shady things for profit and that many collectors knew about these stories or may have been involved but were afraid to even come out and mention it b/c they wouldn't get the cards they want or they had interactions. In that way, they can be considered an "accomplice" if they knew about any of those shady dealings and actions. When BNC is involved with the majority of these trimmed cards, it's not wise to continue promoting him or say he is a nice guy or use his holder, etc. Just not a smart thing to deal.

Also the supposed "shaming" of longtime members may come from the fact that they have seen a lot of the evidence here and continue to promote BNC using holders or by being silent and not answering questions about certain cards and just continuing to say that BNC is a good guy just based on interactions with him. That is why the "shaming" occurs. They seem to watch each other's back because they are all involved and run in the same circles.

daveyc1 · 01-10-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

No one is that jealous of cardboard cards to go on witch hunts. Most of the people in this thread just hate the fact that there is a group of high-end collectors that are doing shady things for profit and that many collectors knew about these stories or may have been involved but were afraid to even come out and mention it b/c they wouldn't get the cards they want or they had interactions. In that way, they can be considered an "accomplice" if they knew about any of those shady dealings and actions. When BNC is involved with the majority of these trimmed cards, it's not wise to continue promoting him or say he is a nice guy or use his holder, etc. Just not a smart thing to deal.

Also the supposed "shaming" of longtime members may come from the fact that they have seen a lot of the evidence here and continue to promote BNC using holders or by being silent and not answering questions about certain cards and just continuing to say that BNC is a good guy just based on interactions with him. That is why the "shaming" occurs. They seem to watch each other's back because they are all involved and run in the same circles.

this ^

Siberian13 · 01-10-2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

What are your thoughts on this Kidd Exquisite? I had planned on winning it until I noticed the top edge. It appears trimmed, and poorly at that. Does anyone else notice the downward slant of the top edge? Sure the scan isn’t perfectly straight but there’s a significant slant to that top edge. I noticed this most when viewing the back of the card. Notice how much space is between the “E” and the top edge, then how much space is between the “S” and the top edge. Thoughts?

2003-04 UD Exquisite Limited Logos Jason Kidd GU 4-Color Patch AUTO /50 BGS 9.5

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372562074178

I see the same thing. Wish there was an sale to compare it too but it does look off. Probstein can't even label the auction correctly either. 2004-05 Exquisite not 2003-04

AlabamaSlamma · 01-10-2019, 09:52 AM

***THIS IS A GENERAL REFERENCE FOR KIDD 04-05 LLs, NOT THE EXACT SAME CARD ULTIMATEDERON REFERENCED IN HIS POST***

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

I see the same thing. Wish there was an sale to compare it too but it does look off. Probstein can't even label the auction correctly either. 2004-05 Exquisite not 2003-04

I’m having trouble logging into the pwcc archives on my phone, but if the one below is still accessible, there should be a good high res image of the back for comparison.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ted-1835613364

Siberian13 · 01-10-2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaSlamma

I’m having trouble logging into the pwcc archives on my phone, but if the one below is still accessible, there should be a good high res image of the back for comparison.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ted-1835613364

These are two different cards, just showing the backs for reference

Ebay one

Worthpoint one

AlabamaSlamma · 01-10-2019, 09:59 AM

***EDITEDITEDIT***

I’m an idiot. The worthpoint for the Kidd I posted is a general reference, NOT THE EXACT SAME CARD.

mrdallas · 01-10-2019, 10:01 AM

Top left of the back of the card clearly looks trimmed/repaired. There is no white on the eBay one and the worthpoint clearly shows whiting on top left edge

PKIPP · 01-10-2019, 10:05 AM

Man.. There is so much data in this thread that is very useful information. I think it would be worthy of creating a website to serve as a database for altered cards.. I don't know how to do all of that stuff, but I'm sure there's some ppl in here that are good with that stuff. A lot of this great info might get lost in this giant thread. And very much more to be posted into the future I'm assuming. To be able to view it all in a database would make it easier for potential buyers of a specific high end card, if they care to do the research.

the27guy · 01-10-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Ebay one

Worthpoint one

Yep. Heck.

Either trimmed or re-colored.

AlabamaSlamma · 01-10-2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

Yep. Heck.

Either trimmed or re-colored.

Not the same cards. Edited my posts for clarification.

Siberian13 · 01-10-2019, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaSlamma

***EDITEDITEDIT***

I’m an idiot. The worthpoint for the Kidd I posted is a general reference, NOT THE EXACT SAME CARD.

Yeah they are not the same, thought that was known. Just showing the backs of the cards for reference.

KhalDrogo · 01-10-2019, 10:38 AM

The Kidd was sold back in August.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1942858962

Can't tell who the seller was though.

01-08-2019, 09:47 PM	#3352
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Here's my updated list of questions for BNC. I'd also still like to locate the current owner of the trimmed Limited Logos if possible. Please keep an eye out for that card. Background and business practices: • How would you describe your business to someone that’s never visited your website? • What percentage of your listings are cards that you own vs cards that you’re consigning for others? • How many prominent collectors would you say you consign for? • Obviously you've sold an incredible amount of cards over the years. How do you determine which sold cards are placed on your website? Like how did you choose the 2 Curry NT cards on your site now as opposed to these 3 you showed off on your IG at some point? https://www.instagram.com/p/2OgKtBwp..._web_copy_link • Do you research cards before you buy/trade for them (aside from just price)? If yes, how thorough is this effort? • Do you keep a database of past transactions? This would seem ideal (and even responsible) for someone that’s constantly buying/selling as many cards as you do. If yes, why haven’t you disclosed this information? If you don’t keep one, why not? How do you know if you’ve profited from a sale without one? There’s no way you can remember that many prices in your head. • The whole reason we’re having this conversation is the result of altered cards. We’ll get into specifics later. But what is your current protocol for dealing with trimmed/altered cards? It seems to vary by value. • Although there’s nothing inherently evil about having someone else sell your cards, the practice allows card owners to hide their bad practices behind the consigner. Now that you’ve had a chance to look at your items listed for sale, is there anyone who you’ve sold for who’s sent you the highest number of altered items? Or more than one altered item? • Is there anyone that you will not consign for going forward that you have in the past? • Where do you stand morally on the issue of subbing over and over until you get the grade you want? • You have admitted to doing this. How many times do you resub? • You were featured in a 2016 piece for the website Sports Collectors Daily. In this article, you talk about sending cards with a friend to get them RCR’d. Why did you choose this route over sending to BGS directly? • Do you ever sell RCR’d cards? There doesn’t appear to be any on your site. • What’s the largest subgrade swing you’ve seen from bumping a card without changing the structure of a card? • When you “bump” cards, as you stated that you do and don’t feel is wrong, what actions do you feel comfortable making on the cards before sending them in? What do you feel is appropriate? What is inappropriate? • Some people feel that wiping a card down or rolling out edges/corners with a pen or similar instrument is okay. Do you ever engage in this activity? • Have you ever sent a card to someone else so they can fix it for you in any way (not necessarily trimming)? If so, who did you send to? • Where, to you, is the line where “cleaning” a card becomes “altering” a card? Specific cards: • In May of 2018, you were informed that an Allen Iverson Sign of the Times in your possession had a forged autograph on it. In response, you pulled the card from your website. What happened to the card after that? How did you/will you ensure that it doesn’t wind up in another collector’s hands? • Evidence shows that a Kobe Game Breakers you had for sale on your site (and have since removed) had been trimmed. What happened to this card? Where is it now? What is your plan for the card going forward? • You feature an MJ Epic Signatures card on your site that has the same serial number (7/23) as another copy of the card that’s been up for auction. Have you investigated this any? What are your thoughts on this card? When does a card become questionable enough that you don’t feel comfortable selling it? • You listed the 87/99 LeBron for sale before it was altered (listed in 2013). Although you haven’t listed it for sale, you now own it and it has been altered. Can you take us through what happened with the card between the time you originally listed it and its current state? • Your story about acquiring the 74/99 LeBron is different from Jack’s in a material way. He says that it was a three-way deal. You have said that the card came directly from Sohrob. Which is true? Can you give us any other details about the deal that may be helpful? Assuming that you state that Jack is lying, why would he? What does he have to gain by lying? • You’ve been hesitant to act on either of the 2003 LeBron Exquisite cards – your defense here is that neither card is for sale at the moment. There’s solid proof that one of your LeBron auto/patches from 2009 has been altered as well, yet it still has a price tag of $16,999.99. Explain this rationale. • What’s going to happen with this LeBron card? It’s currently graded a PSA 10. • Your handling of the AI/Kobe cards and the LeBron’s are inconsistent at best. Is there a legitimate reason for this? It seems like your ethics change based on a card’s value. • You described your deal with sohrob as “a rather large deal involving hundreds of cards, likely ones of the largest and most important deals to me personally that I have ever done.” What made this deal so important? How did this come about? • Do you have any other cards left from sohrob’s collection that you can tell us about? Going forward: • In your lone post on the LeBron thread, you stated, “Given the course that this thread has taken I think it would be a lost opportunity to walk away from without learning anything.” What have you learned from this entire debacle about the cards you’ve owned and currently own? • In the same post you also stated, “I absolutely think it's important that we as a group need to look out for each other and protect each other from the evils that exists in the hobby because there are many…. And honestly I’m probably not going to do much to change it but if my two best cards now having an asterisk next to them is what it takes to get change started then so be it, I’m willing.” What specifically did you mean by, “I’m willing?” • What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since the Blowout thread started? • If you haven’t implemented any concrete changes yet, why the delay? You personally stated, “It is my hope that it [the Blowout thread] can help us evolve and be a catalyst for positive change.” • What will your future approach look like to handling altered cards? • How will you deal with past buyers who, upon reading this thread and studying the cards that they purchased from you, discover that you sold them altered cards? __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-09-2019, 03:50 PM	#3354
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 10,967 esmoney gomiamigo	So, basically, none of the people itt save one who deal with BNC have said they've stopped dealing with him. Shame. Speaking of, let's name and shame all of them who came running to this thread to white knight his actions and other's unethical behavior, but refuse to state they won't deal with him further. It seems like social opprobrium may be the only thing that can work here. Otherwise, they'll just continue to participate in a scam of hobbyists and collectors. __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards Last edited by gomiamigo; 01-09-2019 at 03:52 PM.

01-09-2019, 06:12 PM	#3356
UltimateDeron Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,924	What are your thoughts on this Kidd Exquisite? I had planned on winning it until I noticed the top edge. It appears trimmed, and poorly at that. Does anyone else notice the downward slant of the top edge? Sure the scan isn’t perfectly straight but there’s a significant slant to that top edge. I noticed this most when viewing the back of the card. Notice how much space is between the “E” and the top edge, then how much space is between the “S” and the top edge. Thoughts? 2003-04 UD Exquisite Limited Logos Jason Kidd GU 4-Color Patch AUTO /50 BGS 9.5 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372562074178 __________________ Collection: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150426280@N07/ Instagram: @gem.city.sportscards Last edited by UltimateDeron; 01-09-2019 at 06:35 PM.

01-09-2019, 07:19 PM	#3361
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I'll look at it more when I'm on my computer and not the phone. The first thing that stood out to me is the auction has the wrong year listed, but that's not really a big deal. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-10-2019, 09:59 AM	#3369
AlabamaSlamma Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,326	*EDITEDITEDIT* I’m an idiot. The worthpoint for the Kidd I posted is a general reference, NOT THE EXACT SAME CARD. __________________ "You stand out as crazy on the internet. Do you know how hard that is?" https://610sportscards.smugmug.com/The-Collection IG: @610sportscards Last edited by AlabamaSlamma; 01-10-2019 at 10:19 AM.

01-10-2019, 10:01 AM	#3370
mrdallas Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,833 robbyg8	Top left of the back of the card clearly looks trimmed/repaired. There is no white on the eBay one and the worthpoint clearly shows whiting on top left edge

01-10-2019, 10:05 AM	#3371
PKIPP Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,006	Man.. There is so much data in this thread that is very useful information. I think it would be worthy of creating a website to serve as a database for altered cards.. I don't know how to do all of that stuff, but I'm sure there's some ppl in here that are good with that stuff. A lot of this great info might get lost in this giant thread. And very much more to be posted into the future I'm assuming. To be able to view it all in a database would make it easier for potential buyers of a specific high end card, if they care to do the research. __________________ i collect Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers, Carmelo Anthony, Donovan Mitchell, Detroit Pistons Follow me on IG: Cardboard_vault

01-10-2019, 10:38 AM	#3375
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,379	The Kidd was sold back in August. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1942858962 Can't tell who the seller was though.