LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 119

Deadshot · 12-31-2018, 06:43 PM

Have we gone through sohrob's (aka 2infnitynbeyond) feedback to see where else some of his cards might have ended up at? If your name is in his feedback, you might want to take a look at what you traded/sold/received (or pictures of the cards if you don't have them anymore). The only problem with this is it doesn't account for deals made after 2014, but it could at least give us a start.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/itrader.php?u=32725

Here's his feedback from HobbyKings as well

http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/feed...=seller&u=4194

Also, it's too bad we can't see all these pictures anymore.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=606353

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=474172

Also, what do you guys make of this post? I never saw any resolution for it. He says he has seen 2 of the same Durant card with the same numbering.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=12

The link for the 2nd one is dead, but I'm assuming it's this one. Notice the auto is in a different spot, so these are two different cards.

I noticed the stamping for the serial numbers is in slightly different spots. Was the stamping for this set accurate or was there some variance?

MeteoriteGuy · 12-31-2018, 06:45 PM

It would speak volumes if the NSCC (National Sport Card Convention) lets him set up.

I imagine NSCC board members need to be made aware of this thread, and be asked to go on the record on issues related. I am sure some are forum members, since BO has a yearly National thread. Could people that know them point them in this direction?

chezball · 12-31-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

It would speak volumes if the NSCC (National Sport Card Convention) lets him set up.

I imagine NSCC board members need to be made aware of this thread, and be asked to go on the record on issues related. I am sure some are forum members, since BO has a yearly National thread. Could people that know them point them in this direction?

I asked this many pages back.

Deadshot · 12-31-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

It would speak volumes if the NSCC (National Sport Card Convention) lets him set up.

I imagine NSCC board members need to be made aware of this thread, and be asked to go on the record on issues related. I am sure some are forum members, since BO has a yearly National thread. Could people that know them point them in this direction?

I don't know any, but maybe you could start with an email to the Director Of Media Relations, Ray Schulte.

ray@schultesports.com

http://nsccshow.com/media-information/

RogerGodahell · 12-31-2018, 07:09 PM

The other trimming post in the football section about Brian Deer out in Southern California isn't looking good either. Someone has to know him. I've asked Houdini to do a username check to see if he's a member here on BO but haven't heard back yet. It's ridiculous this guy said he was making several hundred thousand dollars a year in his early 20's selling baseball cards. That's some great detective work by member Superdan49.

Edit: Sorry i didn't want to make this thread even more confusing then it already is. But that one is a great read also. Anyone interested in this thread should check that one out as well.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

It's ridiculous this guy said he was making several hundred thousand dollars a year in his early 20's selling baseball cards.

Buy low (damaged), (trim) sell high.

Man lands on moon. He certainly was well ahead of his time.

thecomebacker · 12-31-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

The other trimming post in the football section about Brian Deer out in Southern California isn't looking good either. Someone has to know him. I've asked Houdini to do a username check to see if he's a member here on BO but haven't heard back yet. It's ridiculous this guy said he was making several hundred thousand dollars a year in his early 20's selling baseball cards. That's some great detective work by member Superdan49.

Edit: Sorry i didn't want to make this thread even more confusing then it already is. But that one is a great read also. Anyone interested in this thread should check that one out as well.

That dude is a professional trimmer. SMH.
I've always wondered how people can trim thick cards so perfectly ...and then I see the picture of that device he tried to customize.

Mountaineer · 12-31-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thecomebacker

That dude is a professional trimmer. SMH.
I've always wondered how people can trim thick cards so perfectly ...and then I see the picture of that device he tried to customize.

It makes you think how many cards over the years since card grading started getting big have been trimmed. Also if someone can customize certain devices like that for grading, imagine the tools that could be customized for grading.

It's scary to think of the history before all this trimming stuff became known to the hobby.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 08:04 PM

Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate?

They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

ThoseBackPages · 12-31-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate?

They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

makes me glad i dont collect Gem Mints

Mountaineer · 12-31-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate?

They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

absolutely agree about the PSA vs BGS....

superdan49 · 12-31-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate?

They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

Yup, agree with this 100%. The question is will one of the two step up and do something about this. And if they do step up, will the collecting public know about it, or will they implement changes behind the scenes?

I do hope they're reading along with this thread and the one in the football section.

imbluestreak23 · 12-31-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate?

They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

No, authenticity is one characteristic of graded cards. This represents at a maximum 20% of the characteristics that define a card (4 subgrades representing the other 80%).

imbluestreak23 · 12-31-2018, 08:19 PM

The post by superdan is the best thing I've seen on a message board ever. Amazing work. Seriously evidence like this should be stickied somewhere.

rcmb3220 · 12-31-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

It would speak volumes if the NSCC (National Sport Card Convention) lets him set up.

I imagine NSCC board members need to be made aware of this thread, and be asked to go on the record on issues related. I am sure some are forum members, since BO has a yearly National thread. Could people that know them point them in this direction?

I wouldn’t count on those guys to be the conscience of the hobby.

SaveMeTheGum · 12-31-2018, 08:26 PM

I rarely wade into the basketball pool, so I'm over a month behind and trying to catch up to this thread (I just finally got to Eric's first appearance on the thread) while trying to also read the tangent threads...

My 2 cents are this before I know how this story ends -- You cheat some schmo buyer on a $100 card, no biggie, and honestly, no one will ever find out. You cheat someone that can afford to drop $100k+ on a card and you are seriously playing with fire. Those people have the friends that can fix that.

SuperDan -- you are awesome

RogerGodahell · 12-31-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Yup, agree with this 100%. The question is will one of the two step up and do something about this. And if they do step up, will the collecting public know about it, or will they implement changes behind the scenes?

I do hope they're reading along with this thread and the one in the football section.

Yep, they need to start adding images to the cards they grade. It will never completely solve the problem but it sure as heck would be quite a deterrent. Something so simple too. It's really irritating this isn't already done.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

No, authenticity is one characteristic of graded cards. This represents at a maximum 20% of the characteristics that define a card (4 subgrades representing the other 80%).

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

imbluestreak23 · 12-31-2018, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

How is the BGS vs PSA debate settled by a discussion based solely on one of the five metrics that they both account for when grading a card?

So both are equally flawed in their ability to detect trim jobs? Great. They are not equal in the other four facets, not to mention overall resell value, collectibility, registry, and slab integrity.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

They are not equal in the other four facets, not to mention overall resell value, collectibility, registry, and slab integrity.

Why on earth would you infer I was talking about the other stuff you mentioned when I made my statement. I think I was pretty clear.

You can rationalize all you want about why one may be better than the other. Good for you. We can also have a round robbin debate on whether the government of russia is better than the government of north korea.

The holy grail of baseball cards formerly owned by Wayne Gretzky is in a PSA holder. And apparently the holy grail of basketball cards is in a BGS slab. Get over it. They're both flawed secondary 'opinions' and just one of many from both camps.

imbluestreak23 · 12-31-2018, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Why on earth would you infer I was talking about the other stuff you mentioned when I made my statement. I think I was pretty clear.

You can rationalize all you want about why one may be better than the other. Good for you. We can also have a round robbin debate on whether the government of russia is better than the government of north korea.

The holy grail of baseball cards formerly owned by Wayne Gretzky is in a PSA holder. And apparently the holy grail of basketball cards is in a BGS slab. Get over it. They're both flawed secondary 'opinions' and just one of many from both camps.

I’m so confused, but regardless the above provides zero evidence that the grading companies are in fact “equal.” So, no, I won’t get over it.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I’m so confused, but regardless the above provides zero evidence that the grading companies are in fact “equal.” So, no, I won’t get over it.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Mountaineer · 12-31-2018, 10:44 PM

Now we have the PSA or BGS fanboys coming in here and trying to rationalize why one is better than the other. Both have been tarnished in the fact that they have slabbed altered cards and have tried to do nothing to bring about better change in the hobby.

ninjacookies · 12-31-2018, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Now we have the PSA or BGS fanboys coming in here and trying to rationalize why one is better than the other. Both have been tarnished in the fact that they have slabbed altered cards and have tried to do nothing to bring about better change in the hobby.

Exactly my point. Just because you have a load of red stripe or gold labels in a monster box, does not wipe out the years/decades of facetious activity from both of them.

Price has no bearing on how scummy both companies were/are/continue to be.

imbluestreak23 · 12-31-2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Now we have the PSA or BGS fanboys coming in here and trying to rationalize why one is better than the other. Both have been tarnished in the fact that they have slabbed altered cards and have tried to do nothing to bring about better change in the hobby.

Reading comprehension my friend. Work on it for 2019.

12-31-2018, 06:43 PM	#2951
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Have we gone through sohrob's (aka 2infnitynbeyond) feedback to see where else some of his cards might have ended up at? If your name is in his feedback, you might want to take a look at what you traded/sold/received (or pictures of the cards if you don't have them anymore). The only problem with this is it doesn't account for deals made after 2014, but it could at least give us a start. https://www.blowoutforums.com/itrader.php?u=32725 Here's his feedback from HobbyKings as well http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/feed...=seller&u=4194 Also, it's too bad we can't see all these pictures anymore. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=606353 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=474172 Also, what do you guys make of this post? I never saw any resolution for it. He says he has seen 2 of the same Durant card with the same numbering. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=12 The link for the 2nd one is dead, but I'm assuming it's this one. Notice the auto is in a different spot, so these are two different cards. I noticed the stamping for the serial numbers is in slightly different spots. Was the stamping for this set accurate or was there some variance? __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA Last edited by Deadshot; 12-31-2018 at 07:27 PM.

12-31-2018, 06:45 PM	#2952
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 4,827 MarkBostick	It would speak volumes if the NSCC (National Sport Card Convention) lets him set up. I imagine NSCC board members need to be made aware of this thread, and be asked to go on the record on issues related. I am sure some are forum members, since BO has a yearly National thread. Could people that know them point them in this direction? __________________ Always looking for low numbered Tony Gonzalez cards. Last edited by MeteoriteGuy; 12-31-2018 at 06:48 PM.

12-31-2018, 07:09 PM	#2955
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	The other trimming post in the football section about Brian Deer out in Southern California isn't looking good either. Someone has to know him. I've asked Houdini to do a username check to see if he's a member here on BO but haven't heard back yet. It's ridiculous this guy said he was making several hundred thousand dollars a year in his early 20's selling baseball cards. That's some great detective work by member Superdan49. Edit: Sorry i didn't want to make this thread even more confusing then it already is. But that one is a great read also. Anyone interested in this thread should check that one out as well. Last edited by RogerGodahell; 12-31-2018 at 07:16 PM.

12-31-2018, 08:19 PM	#2964
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,674 shortslabs	The post by superdan is the best thing I've seen on a message board ever. Amazing work. Seriously evidence like this should be stickied somewhere. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

12-31-2018, 08:26 PM	#2966
SaveMeTheGum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: NH --> CA --> SC Posts: 16,482 Cardboard_Dynamite CardboardDynamite	I rarely wade into the basketball pool, so I'm over a month behind and trying to catch up to this thread (I just finally got to Eric's first appearance on the thread) while trying to also read the tangent threads... My 2 cents are this before I know how this story ends -- You cheat some schmo buyer on a $100 card, no biggie, and honestly, no one will ever find out. You cheat someone that can afford to drop $100k+ on a card and you are seriously playing with fire. Those people have the friends that can fix that. SuperDan -- you are awesome __________________ Pay fast. Ship fast. Deal with people honestly. IG: CardboardDynamite

12-31-2018, 08:04 PM	#2959
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,625	Can this finally put to rest the PSA vs BGS superiority debate? They're both equally as flawed, and both as susceptible to be duped by fake or doctored cards.

12-31-2018, 10:44 PM	#2973
Mountaineer Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 269	Now we have the PSA or BGS fanboys coming in here and trying to rationalize why one is better than the other. Both have been tarnished in the fact that they have slabbed altered cards and have tried to do nothing to bring about better change in the hobby.