LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by August2308

just got these from a friend, i dont know the story behind these cards, quite shocking there are multiple double mj auto.
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This is crazy.

[Rob 23]

Not had a chance to read this entire thread yet, might save it for Christmas day- the family can wait!

[nickha2]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'm sorry, my head is still spinning from all that mind-blowing pixel porn that was just posted.


I will, however, say that it's almost %100 certain that BNC's copy of that Jordan card is an absolute forgery, and your friends' card is 100% the right version. I'm not sure if anyone else contended otherwise, but it's glaringly obvious.



You can clearly see in BNC's forged version that the 'M' and the rest of his first name are written in 2 completely separate hand strokes (disjointed). MJ never writes his signature like that. It's a total forgery, and a bad one at that.


Thank you for chiming in, buybuy. Your English is actually very good, and arguably better than a lot of the native speaking people on this board. I hope you can stick around and continue to contribute to not only this discussion, but the forum in general. You seem like an extremely knowledgeable individual with an insane collection.

Thank you for dropping the loaded gun and helping to expose this fraudulent behavior. This is felony level criminal activity and should be treated as such.

Eric should be shitting his pants right now that this was discovered. If people get busted at the National for selling fakes from the feds this will most likely get there attention. The evidence is overwhelming for the LBJ Exquisite card alone. The difference between what he bought it for in the 8 or 8.5 condition, cracked it and resubmitted for 9.5 for a card of that magnitude could be upwards of $200,000 profit.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Right, I’m just saying the whole Adam situation isn’t as cut and dry as people are making it.Hell, buybuymj himself asked Adam not to mention his name or where this info is coming from. Are we to assume he’s part of this whole mess too? Buybuymj also didn’t show the entirety of the eBay messages, does that mean he’s on the take?

Of course not.

Just some of the stuff is bordering on ridiculous. “Hey look Adam bought some cards for Eric”. Yeah, and? So have a lot of members who’ve posted in this thread I would assume.

Adam made bad decisions in this thread, but he’s not the one on trial here and it kind of feels like we’re scapgoating the dude. Granted, he made it very easy to do.

I’m just trying to be fair in this situation to ALL parties involved, and that may be a flaw of mine.

FWIW abra I value your opinions in regards to our hobby just as much as I do 27.

Yet, when asked the hypothetical question by abra would you buy a graded card from adam who obtained it from BNC you wouldn't.

So you believe/trust Adam in this situation with a card that cost thousands, but not enough to stake your hard earned money yourself?


And your calling out people in this thread for jumping on Adam?


It blows my mind that people continue to defend him.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by JayConley

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1126816

So, Adam had no issue exposing this guy when there's pretty much the same amount of evidence that this dude was the person that physically trimmed the card. Here, not so much. Our boy Adam, I'm afraid, has something massive to lose here. At this point, I think it's fair to wonder if Adam owns one of these altered cards and if Eric is a high-stakes consignor apart from his other interests.

I do find it very telling adam jumped all over that, but was silent on this issue, even trying to deflect in this thread. That to me tells me he had much more at stake here.





We'll probably never know at this point.

[mglevy125]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Oh yay another a$$hat with an inflated self worth will maybe get involved.

What a disgusting incestuous circle jerk this has become.

Nobody is clean and they will just go away and continue to rip people off.

Despite your thoughts on Rovell as a person, he has the platform to reach millions of people. If you ever want this conversation to transition from name
calling and accusations to pursue some type of legal action if possible, he’s certainly one of the people that can help move the needle. If anything, he can help get the word out to prevent unknowing collectors from making a giant financial mistake. I’d say that’s a massive step in the right direction, and in my opinion, the point of this entire thread.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Yet, when asked the hypothetical question by abra would you buy a graded card from adam who obtained it from BNC you wouldn't.

So you believe/trust Adam in this situation with a card that cost thousands, but not enough to stake your hard earned money yourself?


And your calling out people in this thread for jumping on Adam?


It blows my mind that people continue to defend him.

Edit: didn't see the new info posted by BuybuyMJ. Still does not change my opinion of adam.

[TheRoundMound]

Originally Posted by Rob 23

Not had a chance to read this entire thread yet, might save it for Christmas day- the family can wait!

that avatar :

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by arashY

His comment on his Instagram account makes it seem like he is done with this thread and/or forum.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BriJlFsh...d=393pmu0dvtj8

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

buybuymj delivers! We appreciate your time and effort in this. Terrific stuff you have or have had also. Wouldn't mind seeing more


Wow. What a victory. He'll be back though.

At least he acknowledges that he made a mistake.

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[jcardstore]

Can we just forget about Adam? Seriously it's wasting space on what is otherwise an extremely important thread.

We're dealing with what is potentially a multi-million dollar fraud and y'all are still worried about crucifying Adam, I don't get it.

That aside, the problem with these huge frauds is that the only way to blow it up is to get someone in the inner circle to talk which won't happen because everyone stands to make a ton of money from this. I bet that rookies is involved or knows much more than he's saying but again, there's no incentive for him to say anything. That fifthdownsports guy is 100% involved and I believe that LeBron was a fake sale

The evidence is extremely clear that BNC has trimmed cards in his possession but there's no concrete evidence that he trimmed or even knew about the trimming. Chances are he didn't trim the cards and had a trimmer (Sohrob) because then there's plausible deniability and since Sohrob is out of the hobby he's washed his hands of the whole thing so he's not coming back.

What we need to do is find someone who has purchased a trimmed card from BNC and push them to press charges because outside of a subpoena this investigation will get nowhere because nobody can prove anything.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Yet, when asked the hypothetical question by abra would you buy a graded card from adam who obtained it from BNC you wouldn't.

So you believe/trust Adam in this situation with a card that cost thousands, but not enough to stake your hard earned money yourself?


And your calling out people in this thread for jumping on Adam?


It blows my mind that people continue to defend him.

Buying a card that comes from BNC via Adam or believing what Adam is saying in regards to this thread aren't even remotely the same thing.

I'm sorry you think they're similar, but they couldn't be more incongruous.

Also, I haven't called anybody out that has jumped on Adam. I'm sorry you see things that way too, but you're kind of proving my point in all of this...

[rysportguy]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

The evidence is extremely clear that BNC has trimmed cards in his possession but there's no concrete evidence that he trimmed or even knew about the trimming.

This is why the info about the 87/99 was so important. That is pretty significant evidence that he knew at least that card was trimmed, he had it in his possession before and after the trimming occurred.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Can we just forget about Adam? Seriously it's wasting space on what is otherwise an extremely important thread.

I agree. I think it would be better to focus on the altered cards right now. Not saying the other discussion shouldn't happen at some point, but there was significant progress made yesterday regarding specific cards.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Buying a card that comes from BNC via Adam or believing what Adam is saying in regards to this thread aren't even remotely the same thing.

I'm sorry you think they're similar, but they couldn't be more incongruous.

Also, I haven't called anybody out that has jumped on Adam. I'm sorry you see things that way too, but you're kind of proving my point in all of this...

Good point! I am done bashing adam as long as your done defending him



Trust me, if concrete proof is put forth that BNC did in fact trim, knowingly sold trimmed/altered cards and committed fraud, (all likely, but we are not sure) I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am not giving him any kind of pass in this.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by rysportguy

This is why the info about the 87/99 was so important. That is pretty significant evidence that he knew at least that card was trimmed, he had it in his possession before and after the trimming occurred.

Right, but at this point in the eyes of the law it's speculation. We all know he had someone trim the card and knew EXACTLY what he was doing but nobody has anything to prove it.

It's easy for Eric to claim "oh I had no idea" and without a paper trail of emails/texts/etc there's really no way to prove anything

[mglevy125]

The sad thing is, he’s still hawking cards on his Instagram page, and most people have no idea...

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Right, but at this point in the eyes of the law it's speculation. We all know he had someone trim the card and knew EXACTLY what he was doing but nobody has anything to prove it.

It's easy for Eric to claim "oh I had no idea" and without a paper trail of emails/texts/etc there's really no way to prove anything

In the eyes of the law, sure, but we know he is dirty. There's no doubt he had full intent to sell these trimmed cards. Fifthdownsports, who admitted to knowing the guy personally and being friends with him, "bought" a /99 for a supposed 250k. (Highest VERIFIED sale was for a /23 at 95k.) BNC raises the price on the one he had listed, I would not be surprised if they were setting up to defraud a couple of poor shmoes with these altered cards for a monster amount each. BNC even mentioned fifthdownsports in his crocodile tear filled post.

Originally Posted by ebitz

When someone in the hobby, who I consider a friend before anything else, fifthdown literally spends 250k on 1 card we as a group flame him and our first reaction is doubt, I am saddened. It's guys like him that will eventually propel all of us and the hobby forward. It is my hope and belief that the day is going to come where there are 30 Nat Turners and 30 fifthdowns or maybe a lot more in the hobby and they are in it and loving it like we all do. We as a group need to be ready for this and to welcome them with open arms and be ready to support them when they need it. It is with them that we will all move the hobby forward to a level that none of us can currently imagine.

Go read fifthdownsports' posts and tell me if you'd like to welcome him with open arms. If guys like that are moving the hobby, it's not forward. It really does look like they were setting up for a big move to alter the market (no pun intended) for personal financial gain.

edit: the part in bold, by the way, I interpreted like this: People like me stand to make a lot of money by selling to people who think the cards are worth increasingly excessive amounts, more than I can currently imagine.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Only Hoops is a safe buy from here on out.

Umm...

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Umm...

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Umm...

Well sh!t.. it’s all over. Time to pack up and go home. They’ve taken over Hoops.

[nickha2]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Umm...

Of course you trim a bucks card. 2-0 series lead for MIL

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by nickha2

Of course you trim a bucks card. 2-0 series lead for MIL

Hahaha.

[Deadshot]

BNC just posted a card on IG and the first response came from....fifthdownsports

There's nothing wrong with him using social media obviously, I just found it interesting that I read about them connected here and switch apps and see it right there, too.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Adam messed up for sure. He should've figured out what buybuymj was saying in those messages, but to me it's clear he just didnt get it.

beyond clueless

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

BNC just posted a card on IG and the first response came from....fifthdownsports

There's nothing wrong with him using social media obviously, I just found it interesting that I read about them connected here and switch apps and see it right there, too.

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