LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[elee712]

I recall a couple years ago there was a one color LBJ that was in pretty bad condition, could have been a bgs 6..then sold for relatively cheap and resurrected as a bgs 8 or something.

I was into the high end market for a while and then I essentially lost 100k on a card that that turned out being trimmed. Pretty much ruined the hobby for me. Met quite a few people in the high end market during that time and they were all pleasant and the nicest people you can meet. Came to realize they are just buttering you up to get a good deal on your cards. If you don't have what they want anymore, they could care less about you.

I'm interested to know how good a friend can you be after just a few conversations about cards... Enough to have their backs when they are obviously in the wrong? I dont know, reminds me of when I was a kid and people were only your friend because you always had the newest toys.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Fair enough. I respect your deliberation. I've come to largely the same conclusion. For you to put it like that nudges me even further. Ideally, I'd like to hear from the accused once more before I grab my pitchfork. A ton of new revelations have come out. But I don't think he's gonna reply. And if he doesn't within a reasonable time frame, then I'm ready to pass judgment.

Abra had the stake ready to burn before the thread was started.

Maybe you should've been more thorough in reading the thread if you actually believe that. Like others who came into the thread late, what you're posting is a farce and it's misleading, clearly explained by others in the thread. If you have a problem with me because you were called out in the past, you can PM me.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by elee712

I recall a couple years ago there was a one color LBJ that was in pretty bad condition, could have been a bgs 6..then sold for relatively cheap and resurrected as a bgs 8 or something.

The BGS 6 (9.5/5/7.5/9.5) was actually a BGS 9 (10/8.5/9/9) at first. Cracked, probably to trim, and damaged in the process. I'm pretty sure BNC purchased it in BGS 6 form in February 2015 for $13.5k.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

No. It's not a possible outcome. Unless you believe the guy with a multi-million dollar inventory of cards was too stupid to realize the card was in better condition than when he previously owned it.

Moving on... this hobby is obviously very dirty. I think that stems from how easy it is to defraud. Ebay makes it too easy to shill. PSA and BGS make it too easy to trim and touch up. High-end dealers create buyer groups to manipulate sales, leaving unsuspecting buyers the ones holding the bag when it's all over. That's why threads like this are so important. A handful of individuals have been exposed as unsavory at best, and easy to avoid in the future.

Your point is well taken, but this is where I get off the train. You don't have to conflate the meaning of "possible" with "highly probable" to make the point. You also don't need to deify BNC as omniscient just bc his inventory is extremely valuable. He could've ended up with a trimmed version of the card without knowledge of the trimming. It's highly unlikely, but wouldn't it be great if we could verify the card never left his possession while raw? Yeah, it would.

I also don't abide the doomsday talk. Your rant about eBay and PSA and BGS is over the top, even though in general you make a legitimate point. Take the hyperbole down a notch. This is how people become paranoid conspiracists. And I love a good conspiracy theory, but stay grounded. There are threads like this and stuff does get hashed out.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Maybe you should've been more thorough in reading the thread if you actually believe that. Like others who came into the thread late, what you're posting is a farce and it's misleading, clearly explained by others in the thread. If you have a problem with me because you were called out in the past, you can PM me.

Chill out. Here, I'm replying directly to you. Enjoy! No thanks on the PM. And IIRC, it was me who called you out as a paranoid goofball. Still rings true.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Chill out. Here, I'm replying directly to you. Enjoy! No thanks on the PM. And IIRC, it was me who called you out as a paranoid goofball. Still rings true.

heh, ok:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=111

Still living in your head rent free, you think I had the pitchforks ready before this thread got started; you did not read, verifiable by any rational person simply by reviewing the thread.

[chuckerrrr]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

just enjoying this gem again. i cant believe that most of the post was calling the forum the bad guys.....

The guys a muppet. Tried to call out the Forum as a negative place.

Ahhh he created the negativity.

[Ultimatewarrick]

blowout members offering on BNC items after this thread

[ReggieEvansPC]

Originally Posted by Ultimatewarrick

blowout members offering on BNC items after this thread

Nope.

[dogzman]

Wonder how many asking for refund from him after this thread exposed all :O

[ThoseBackPages]

dirty

[chuckerrrr]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

I understand; I've seen it too. Not just with cards but with any form of mob justice. And if you read my previous posts in this thread you'll see that I've tried to give Eric the benefit of the doubt wherever possible. But I think we've reached a point where the pitchforks are justified.

What he said^^^

I know some have seen twists and turns in threads before and have doubts but we have all the evidence we need in this case.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

heh, ok:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=111

Still living in your head rent free, you think I had the pitchforks ready before this thread got started; you did not read, verifiable by any rational person simply by reviewing the thread.

#1-Agreed, let's let the rational reviewers of the thread decide. I did overlook that the card listed for sale probably wasn't #87. That got settled above. The other ambiguity that I've called attention to--did the card ever change hands in between being bought raw from eBay and being subbed and receiving a BGS 9?--is still an open question. For the bloodthirsties, it's hardly an afterthought. You want the scalp/revenge now. However, for me, acting with an abundance of caution, it'd be nice to gather additional evidence on this question. For example, was it ever removed from his site during that time period? Maybe someone knows. Granted, we don't need that evidence to still have a strong case. But it helps, and it'd make me feel more confident in my judgment. It also takes away one of his potential defenses if he does come back around. Of course, if judgment needs to be passed now, my verdict is guilty. But threads have been known to take unpredictable turns.

#2-Let's not derail the thread. You're dragging up old posts. That's fine. I reread that thread a little earlier today and enjoyed our back-and-forth. Some good edification for all, regardless of who they agree with. There, the discussion was substantive and about MJs, a more interesting topic than the one currently at hand IMO . On that note, I encourage all to join the continuance of that debate on my instagram page, where I analyze MJ market trends. The bottom line, Abra, is that we dislike each other. We got our hits in. Truce on non-related topics for the sake of keeping the thread on track.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Read Adams replies again. He's clearly confused. He's mixing up cards and referring to posts that dont pertain to what buybuymj is saying. Yes, he shouldn't have been because buybuymj is VERY CLEAR in his messaging but that's my take.

Like Jay Conley said, Adam knows he messed up. Not "I purposely withheld proof damning Eric" kinda messed up. More "it was right there in front of me and I didnt see it" messed up.

Anyone else see it that way or do you think I'm way off.

I think you're way off. Adam was asked directly about #87 multiple times and always said some type of response similar to, 'I'm still working on #74, I'll look at #87 later'. This always struck me as odd. In investigations, you work all leads at the same time as they are often linked or can prove or disprove each other.

I asked him point blank in the thread as well as via PM why he was refusing to look into #87 and always got the same response. Now we find out that he had irrefutable proof the entire time that Eric was lying about #87. You might want to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think that ship has sailed.

Am I saying he was involved in this mess? No, absolutely not. What I am saying and I've said it many times previously in this thread is that he knows far more than he's letting on. Post #10 still strikes me as very odd. Almost immediately after Rookies posts calling out Eric, Adam already knows that there was a stop for the Lebron before it went to Eric, hmm.

Also, does it not strike anyone else as odd that all of the major suspects are singing their guts out to Adam considering how this potentially huge scam could bring them down and cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars? This is obviously occurring as Adam has had his finger on the pulse since jump, the question is why and how?

I don't swim in this end of the pool so I am not experienced with how things work and how intertwined the big players are. However, I have performed more than my share of investigations and my gut is right more often than it is wrong. I've felt from the start that Adam was covering for Eric and not entirely aboveboard. What I don't know are his motivations. It could be as simple as not wanting to lose access to big card purchases in the future. Even if that is as sinister as it gets, I still can't stomach someone who knowingly covers for a liar, thief and/or scammer. Just my .02.

[KhalDrogo]

Not sure why you think you get to dictate the rules here when you:

1. Entered the thread for the first time today.
2. Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing because you “know which members’ posts are worth skipping.”
3. Jumped in defending 27, only to have his deceit exposed mere hours later.

Don’t wind up like DK.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Don’t wind up like DK.

Lol, you trying to get me banned behind the scenes, bud? Man, you guys are nasty and hypersensitive. That's how the mob mentality works, I guess?

To address your implication--no previous accounts, no violation of site rules whatsoever. Just an average guy who likes collecting and puzzles, and sometimes they overlap!

But I guess I struck a nerve in my most recent comment to you?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Lol, you trying to get me banned behind the scenes, bud? Man, you guys are nasty and hypersensitive. That's how the mob mentality works, I guess?

To address your implication--no previous accounts, no violation of site rules whatsoever. Just an average guy who likes collecting and puzzles, and sometimes they overlap!

But I guess I struck a nerve in my most recent comment to you?

Not worth the time to snitch.

You are annoying though. Trying to find any way you can by which BNC could be absolved. Because you're "acting with an abundance of caution" to make you "feel more confident in my judgment". This schtick is tired and has already played out countless times in this thread, long before you ever stepped in.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Lol, you trying to get me banned behind the scenes, bud? Man, you guys are nasty and hypersensitive. That's how the mob mentality works, I guess?

To address your implication--no previous accounts, no violation of site rules whatsoever. Just an average guy who likes collecting and puzzles, and sometimes they overlap!

But I guess I struck a nerve in my most recent comment to you?

Not a great look in my opinion. You parachuted into the thread and started throwing around opinions. Nothing wrong with that but don't go crying about "the mob" when people push back.

It really is sad how weak we've become as a society. Anytime someone gets disagreed with they start crying about being bullied or that they're being attacked by the mob. There is absolutely no accountability or self awareness for many of these people. If you want to throw around opinions cool, just don't whine when people disagree.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Not a great look in my opinion. You parachuted into the thread and started throwing around opinions. Nothing wrong with that but don't go crying about "the mob" when people push back.

It really is sad how weak we've become as a society. Anytime someone gets disagreed with they start crying about being bullied or that they're being attacked by the mob. There is absolutely no accountability or self awareness for many of these people. If you want to throw around opinions cool, just don't whine when people disagree.

You don't think there's a mob mentality going on in this thread?

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

You don't think there's a mob mentality going on in this thread?

Absolutely not. Considering the severity of the allegations, I am actually blown away with how civil and patient people have been. You are new here so I'll give this question a pass, if you think this thread has been a mob pile on, you would have crapped yourself back in the day. Just because most posters are of the same mindset does not make them a mob.

[chuckerrrr]

So sick of the whole " the Mob" by certain members feeling victims. We have facts. Evidence. Stop playing the victim. We "the mob" have a right to and are all people who want to make things right in the hobby and wont except lies and deception.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Absolutely not. Considering the severity of the allegations, I am actually blown away with how civil and patient people have been. You are new here so I'll give this question a pass, if you think this thread has been a mob pile on, you would have crapped yourself back in the day. Just because most posters are of the same mindset does not make them a mob.

Thanks. As a sign of my own reciprocal good faith, I'll let the Boomer-esque "back in my day" nonsense slide.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Is this the thread where 27guy goes down? I've seen this script so many times. The guy NO ONE suspects, white knighting for someone else (rather bizarrely) and then bam, the truth comes out. This thread is crazy. Anyone here who thinks buynicecards aka Eric or Ebitz or whatever is not trimming these cards or at least knows who does it is out of their freaking minds. Like, 0 common sense at all. This isn't even "where there's smoke there's fire." Like, Eric's house is on fire in front of us all and everyone can see it except for one person.

This shouldn't be a newsflash to people - the high-end card business is huge money, and there are people that have posted and flaunted cleaning up cards/fixing them and getting better grades. The disappointing part is that BGS can't simply do 10 minutes of research when they get a 100k card to grade. I get that you can't catch everything, but a card like that and a little research and you can easily figure it out.

One of my early posts in this thread. Just for posterity sake.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Thanks. As a sign of my own reciprocal good faith, I'll let the Boomer-esque "back in my day" nonsense slide.

I like any Boomer reference, kudos. I meant no offense with the back in the day line, it was merely to point out that today's BO is a far kinder and gentler BO than it was just a few years ago. This is both good and bad. It did used to get a bit out of hand but we also were able to weed crap out far quicker with a bit rougher approach. It was far more entertaining too which some people liked and some didn't.

The point is, anyone complaining about the mob in this specific thread should ask themselves why. We have irrefutable evidence that extremely important cards were trimmed and the list of potential suspects is extremely small, as in three. Two of the three have already been caught in lies yet they both have had people white knighting on their behalf. That just boggles my mind. Sometimes it isn't a mob, sometimes it is just that the majority of the people can see the truth.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by pejc300

One of my early posts in this thread. Just for posterity sake.

BO's needed a Haiku replacement for quite some time.