LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[ninjacookies]

Eric probably didn't lie.

Just had a momentary memory lapse.


#letsstayoptimistic

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by buybuymj

Hello, Just registered here. I gave this info to one of guys here before but it seems he doesn't want to reveal it for some reason, I'll do it by myself.


I've been collecting 2003-04 LBJ Exquisite database since 2005, like this:


https://imageshack.com/a/img924/9351/fs6V83.png



Here's a proof:


https://imageshack.com/a/img922/3337/ICaqX7.png



And it shows I saved a photo of 87/99 in 2013, like this:


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/2830/glgM5s.png



Here's the original image:


https://imageshack.com/a/img923/4057/a3QgAj.jpg



You guys figure it out.

Sweet card!

[Siberian13]

I wonder which member buybuymj gave the above info to and didn’t want to reveal it?

[nman84]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I wonder which member buybuymj gave the above info to and didn’t want to reveal it?

I second this thought

[Cavaliercards]

buybuymj which member was given the info and did not want to reveal it, that in itself is damning to that member and they deserve to be outed for the welfare of the community

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I wonder which member buybuymj gave the above info to and didn’t want to reveal it?

It was me. Go ahead - let me have it. I should have put it all together. I didn’t understand what he was saying. I know that most of you won’t believe that. It’s fine.

I was focused on the other card when he sent it and I truly didn’t have any idea what he was trying to say. That combined with how poorly the pics rendered on ebay and I couldn’t figure it out.

But I should have tried harder to understand what buybuymj was saying because as I mentioned in my previous post, this is the single biggest breakthrough thus far.


Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!!


Sigh.

[Siberian13]

Have any of the Blowout mods chimed in on this situation? I don’t feel safe. I need a safe place.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by the27guy

It was me. Go ahead - let me have it. I should have put it all together. I didn’t understand what he was saying. I know that most of you won’t believe that. It’s fine.

I was focused on the other card when he sent it and I truly didn’t have any idea what he was trying to say. That combined with how poorly the pics rendered on ebay and I couldn’t figure it out.

But I should have tried harder to understand what buybuymj was saying because as I mentioned in my previous post, this is the single biggest breakthrough thus far.

Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!!

Sigh.

Good idea to be honest and get ahead of it. But once again you just look really bad in this whole situation.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by the27guy

It was me. Go ahead - let me have it. I should have put it all together. I didn’t understand what he was saying. I know that most of you won’t believe that. It’s fine.

I was focused on the other card when he sent it and I truly didn’t have any idea what he was trying to say. That combined with how poorly the pics rendered on ebay and I couldn’t figure it out.

But I should have tried harder to understand what buybuymj was saying because as I mentioned in my previous post, this is the single biggest breakthrough thus far.


Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!!


Sigh.

Not going to look good on you indeed, and I think you already realize that.

Especially as you were quick to present info on behalf of Eric from the onset.

Purposely wanting to withhold posting this damning information that goes against his alleged story does not fare well.

Eesh.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Good idea to be honest and get ahead of it. But once again you just look really bad in this whole situation.

I hear that. I was confused. And I agree. It doesn’t look good for me.

I wish I’d taken the time to understand it better. I was so focused on the other card. But yeah. This was a CRUCIAL piece of evidence.

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by the27guy

It was me. Go ahead - let me have it. I should have put it all together. I didn’t understand what he was saying. I know that most of you won’t believe that. It’s fine.

I was focused on the other card when he sent it and I truly didn’t have any idea what he was trying to say. That combined with how poorly the pics rendered on ebay and I couldn’t figure it out.

But I should have tried harder to understand what buybuymj was saying because as I mentioned in my previous post, this is the single biggest breakthrough thus far.


Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!!


Sigh.

Don't even know what to say, really. This is more baffling than your initial behavior. You pleaded and begged for anyone involved with relevant information -- whether it be Eric, Sohrob, or rookies or anyone else with any inkling of what happened -- to post. Someone, with what appears to be very good evidence, sent you what you were looking for and you just said "ah, not English, hard pass"?

For very good reason, no one should believe you. You shouldn't even plead for them to believe you at this point. This thread, while being about the #74, also wanted to further investigate other copies in Eric's possession. You continuously danced around that. You brought every single #@#@#@#@ing shred of scrutiny on yourself. Stop with the victim, innocent bystander #@#@#@#@.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Don't even know what to say, really. This is more baffling than your initial behavior. You pleaded and begged for anyone involved with relevant information -- whether it be Eric, Sohrob, or rookies or anyone else with any inkling of what happened -- to post. Someone, with what appears to be very good evidence, sent you what you were looking for and you just said "ah, not English, hard pass"?

For very good reason, no one should believe you. You shouldn't even plead for them to believe you at this point. This thread, while being about the #74, also wanted to further investigate other copies in Eric's possession. You continuously danced around that. You brought every single #@#@#@#@ing shred of scrutiny on yourself. Stop with the victim, innocent bystander #@#@#@#@.

Let me post the conversation. I know how this looks. I agree with you.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Don't even know what to say, really. This is more baffling than your initial behavior. You pleaded and begged for anyone involved with relevant information -- whether it be Eric, Sohrob, or rookies or anyone else with any inkling of what happened -- to post. Someone, with what appears to be very good evidence, sent you what you were looking for and you just said "ah, not English, hard pass"?

For very good reason, no one should believe you. You shouldn't even plead for them to believe you at this point. This thread, while being about the #74, also wanted to further investigate other copies in Eric's possession. You continuously danced around that. You brought every single #@#@#@#@ing shred of scrutiny on yourself. Stop with the victim, innocent bystander #@#@#@#@.

Amen.

Citing 'I was confused' after the fact is almost laughable and a slap in the face to everyone that has actually put in a concerted effort in this thread to try and unearth the truth.


I pm'd a fellow member as soon as that wonderful poster from overseas popped the loaded gun. I knew it was the27guy.

Despite his purported efforts to try and come off as an impartial moderator and truth seeker from the outset, his bias has been quite transparent.

It all came back 180 as soon as he admitted he's still after a card in Eric's possession and 'tries to see the good in people.'


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[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Don't even know what to say, really. This is more baffling than your initial behavior. You pleaded and begged for anyone involved with relevant information -- whether it be Eric, Sohrob, or rookies or anyone else with any inkling of what happened -- to post. Someone, with what appears to be very good evidence, sent you what you were looking for and you just said "ah, not English, hard pass"?

This is my issue, these are people that you have done multiple business deals with and you do not want to commit to not going away from people that are ruining the hobby and are criminally defrauding others. Then you defend all of them multiple times and say whoops they are misunderstood. You and I have done deals with no issues (very smoothly I must add) and I appreciate that and will be honest I do not want to lose you as a customer, but you have to understand how this looks right now. You seem to have become the personal defender of the defrauders and then get handed great evidence and let it go. If nothing else you should have posted it here and let the forum dissected it.

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Let me post the conversation. I know how this looks. I agree with you.

Please do. There were people in here looking up registries and digging up 6-year-old auctions to cross-reference, and you didn't think they could handle broken English and less than HD-quality photo renders? Man, that's impossible to believe.

[JayConley]

Adam, point blank, do you have a working relationship with Eric? Do you have a mutual understanding of future dealings? Did Eric help you in the past and you feel like you owe him something? Are you afraid speaking out against Eric will hurt your ambitions in this hobby?

Seriously, man, it seems dumb and inconsequential, but people on this forum look up to you. They trust your opinion. You're the forum's wiki. I know that's of some importance to you, too. Your podcast and your stories and your posts all show someone that genuinely cares about the hobby and the people involved. So, please, if there's something going on here just let everyone know. Then, it'll be understandable.

[Wings]

You’ve rambled on 95 times so far in this thread and you decide that’s the one post that doesn’t meet your quality control regulations?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Wings

You’ve rambled on 95 times so far in this thread and you decide that’s the one post that doesn’t meet your quality control regulations?

He likes to see the good in people. #glasshalffull


That is, unless they want to present good evidence. That's bad.

[theLUCKYshow]

So everyone thinks Adam's lying? He saw the pics from buybuymj, put all the pieces together, then refrained from telling us?

Or are we mad he didnt do his due dilligence and share the photo with us.

These are two big differences. Let's let him post before jumping to any conclusions.

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[JayConley]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

So everyone thinks Adam's lying? He saw the pics from buybuymj, put all the pieces together, then refrained from telling us?

Or are we mad he didnt do his due dilligence and share the photo with us.

These are two big differences. Let's let him post before jumping to any conclusions.

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Adam campaigned for relevant information throughout this thread. Anything that gave a glimmer of a hope that Eric was benevolent was highlighted and expanded upon. He created a #@#@#@#@ing "Guy X". He went above and beyond when there were positive indicators on the side he was vested.

This is not a positive indicator on the side he was vested. He had this sent to him and not only did he not post it, but he also didn't even mention it. When someone goes out of their way to promote themselves absence of bias, then they should really be absent of bias.

The #87 was brought up plenty of times and I believe Adam actually said "one card at a time". Did he say that when he had this information? Well, that's a whole other bag of worms.

[exclusively_nba]

I’m not sure how I missed it, but i didn’t initially see the “buy nice cards” image at the bottom of the picture on the 87/99, so I didn’t realize why that post was important until i read the first 3-4 replies. I thought it was further proof of the card before it was trimmed, but I missed the BNC logo even though it was right in my face. Just another perspective here because I think Adam has been unfairly dogpiled a few times throughout this thread.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Adam campaigned for relevant information throughout this thread. Anything that gave a glimmer of a hope that Eric was benevolent was highlighted and expanded upon. He created a #@#@#@#@ing "Guy X". He went above and beyond when there were positive indicators on the side he was vested.

This is not a positive indicator on the side he was vested. He had this sent to him and not only did he not post it, but he also didn't even mention it. When someone goes out of their way to promote themselves absence of bias, then they should really be absent of bias.

The #87 was brought up plenty of times and I believe Adam actually said "one card at a time". Did he say that when he had this information? Well, that's a whole other bag of worms.

That's Adams problem here. He's tried to assert himself as an objective participant when his friendship with Eric makes it somewhere between tricky and impossible to do so.





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[the27guy]

Before I post this conversation, remember that I was always focused on the sohrob/jack/Eric card. Not #87. Remember that when you read the messages that buybuymj sent. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON BOTH FROM THE BEGINNING. I sought to keep it clear as we went along and the only intel I had that was valuable at the beginning was from Eric that sohrob was involved. So I tried to keep the conversation there. That was the smoking gun in my opinion. I believed it would indict sohrob. That is the card we’ve spent the vast vast majority of this thread talking about.

Now, read the following from beginning to end and remember that I received countless PM’s, Facebook messages, and emails from who knows how many people over the course of two days. I know most wont have empathy for me here but pretend you’re me and amongst all of the messages. Amongst all of the pm’s You get this.....

First message from Buybuymj. The picture of the card was attached that you have all seen here as well.


Hey, I heard from one of my friends that there's a hot topic on BO, I'm not a member of there but read some posts once in a while. Sometimes there's false claims, jealousies, hates, ignorances I see, even a super well-known member out there who's banned now called me out about overpricing when I started to sell under this user name, was telling me my stuffs won't sell ever, well, I've been always good, but he tried to buy some stuffs from me with making lowball offers then after a while I saw he listed his stuffs with overpriced BIN, what a shame. If I was a member there I'd have a lot to say, but still a lot of good posts, nice people, helpful infos as well.

The way you talk out there kind of stood out to me, so I wanted to trust in you that you don't tell my name to anybody including BNC about me giving this info, as I have no hard feeling to him at all and don't even want that, if he ever knows me doing this it must be from you as I'm telling this to only you. So if you want to talk about this out there, just keep me anonymous. I'm no one's side.

My desktop says I saved this picture in 7/19/2013. As you can see it was owned by BNC at the time. And it's now BGS 9 with trimmed edge, then who can do that between? Only one in the world, it's like more evident than PSA/BGS pop 1, that's as evident as Masterpiece. I have no idea how the topic is as hot as it is out there and still no one found out this, people wanted to be detective need to save history. I live in South Korea, not in the states, and still saw it at the time, that means many people noticed at the time as well. It seems they all fogot though. And I read your post that you had a conversation with him and heard that he bought it as graded BGS 9. Boom. If I was him I wouldn't tell you that I trimmed it. So this one is as clear as you can see, and there's more from him, then there's more possibilities with other cards that involved with him. Because of eBay's words limit, I'll continue in second message.

Here’s the second message.

I made some big deals with sohrob in the past simply because he was a high end collector. He's one of about 10,000 people I dealt with. I don't give a damn to tell you or anyone that I bought some high ends from him as he was not that magician at all like some people think out there. He had a lot of BGS 8.5 and 9 stuffs, plus some less grades and ungraded. Of course I can always prove when I say something. And 2003-04 Exquisite LBJ /23 BGS 9.5, he also bought it from a very reputable dealer as it is, that's not he originally had as ungraded, even that card was listed on eBay for a while in the past.
So people who don't have not only a clue but their recent memories and doing witch-hunt, that's wrong. Really wrong. When there's a very reasonable doubt about something then people can suspect, like when I have a proof I can tell you like this, but saying "Oh it's too nice to believe that it's a legit card, wait, isn't it trimmed?" and assuming like that, that's a totally different story. They just can't do that. And they act like they're doing that for the hobby. SMH. Is it really for the hobby? Calling someone's treasure like a potential trimmed card but with zero proof? They'll say their cards are legit though. And they'll say we're members of the biggest card forum in the world, we're very informative. Nope. Of course I'm not calling out everyone out there but people act like that.

It has nothing to do with my sake at all here, like you're doing that not for your sake but want to know the truth, if you're truly BNC's side I think you would not have wanted to expand the topic, I'm not interested in being nobody's side as there's zero profit to be either side, but just to tell you the truth I know. So to sum up, I seen two very, very, very, very reputable persons that people thinking they're really good, but I guess I seen their dark sides.


That’s the end of his first group of messages.

A lot to wade through...... but I should have read more carefully. reread the part that I bolded above. Look at my response in the next paragraph now.


“I believe it’s the other one that he’s stating was graded when he purchased it.”

Now let me interject here that I thought BUYBUYMJ was saying that he was guilty because Eric said he bought it graded when he actually bought it raw. Again, I was not focused on 87 at that point. I understand if you don’t believe that. But it’s true.

Then he came back and asked-

“Isn't it 87/99 people & you mentioned there? Am I missing something?”

Then I said -

“Thanks for all of the background. It’s super helpful and I definitely won’t tell anyone (he asked me not to tell anyone it came from him) See post 26 - that’s the one I’m talking about. There are pictures there of the before trimming. Sorry that some of those posts were super confusing. That’s why I kept telling those guys to stop switching which cards they were talking about.”

I thought I got the jist of it, but I did not! That’s the truth but I fully understand those who won’t believe me

[JayConley]

All he did was explain his apprehension to the forum. I don’t understand how that confused you and just made you gloss over him? Just look at his language: BOOM. You don’t think he meant that, in his mind, he had the evidence to incriminate Eric? What else could that mean? He sees the dark side of two very reputable members of the hobby? What else could that mean? Man, again, I’m lost with you.

[ninjacookies]