2018 Juan Soto Thread - Page 73

rainmaker · 11-30-2018, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

auto grades are stupid

truth. just a gimmick for the grading companies to capture some cash.

gabballplayer14 · 11-30-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

The flip side of sending it to PSA and not getting the auto graded is it creates an element of doubt for prospective buyers as to why the auto was not graded. I understand that the auto/card grade may not matter much since it's a 1/1 but if the primary intention of getting it graded is to sell it in the future, I would have both the card and Auto graded. One other option is it can be sent to PSA with min auto grade of 10 should one choose to go that route. If it doesn't meet the minimum auto grade of 10, you can put in a request to just grade the card with a minimum card grade of 9 or 10 (whatever the owner of the card is looking for)

PSA didn't start grading certified (pack pulled) autos until this year, so that does not affect the value of the card, nor cause any element of doubt for any prospective buyers. It's pretty obvious why people send streaky autos to PSA and just get the card graded.

mbarnes1546 · 11-30-2018, 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=jrg1128;14144126]It doesn't matter who you send it to, an off card auto always gets a 9. The Soto auto isn't off card, but it's a little streaky. I would just send the card to PSA for protection and not get the auto graded. It doesn't really matter what it grades anyways, it's his only on-card auto besides five star and triple threads, plus it's a 1/1. Should just be sent in for grading strictly for protection.[/QUOTE]

On it's way to BGS for this reason mostly. Thanks for all the congrats, it's a great looking card and very happy to have hit something so nice.

han soto · 11-30-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

It's pretty obvious why people send streaky autos to PSA and just get the card graded.

i’m assuming you are stating this for modern cards only?

TheWrightStuff · 11-30-2018, 01:50 PM

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Soto Independence day up at AUCTION by PWCC. Guess we will see what kind of legs these things have. Im guessing $675-$700

Welp, Im already out at 445, lol. 9 1/2 days to go to see where it ends.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14303316108...torefresh=true

KGWVU · 11-30-2018, 01:54 PM

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Welp, Im already out at 445, lol. 9 1/2 days to go to see where it ends.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14303316108...torefresh=true

holy crap, already at $445.

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pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

auto grades are stupid

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

truth. just a gimmick for the grading companies to capture some cash.

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Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

PSA didn't start grading certified (pack pulled) autos until this year, so that does not affect the value of the card, nor cause any element of doubt for any prospective buyers. It's pretty obvious why people send streaky autos to PSA and just get the card graded.

Yes, auto grade are used as a tool by sellers to increase sale price. It may not matter much for superfractors or 1/1 since there is only one card in existence. Here is an example of Acuna's Purple refractor, both PSA 10, however one of them had the auto graded 10 and marketed as pop 1. Its sale price was 30% more than the one with no auto grade. There are some buyers willing to pay extra premium for such cards with both card and auto grade of 10. Again, this may not matter at all to 1/1 or superfractors since the population is one regardless of the auto grade. I was going to buy the Acuna without the auto grade and when I realized that similar cards with auto grade (by PSA) existed, I passed on it. I asked the seller why he/she did not grade the auto as well. Anyways, it does affect the value and may cause an element of doubt in prospective buyers like me. I don't mind paying the extra 20-30% premium to buy the one with an auto grade of 10. I may be one of those odd ones

PSA (Auto not graded) by pcp trade, on Flickr

PSA (auto graded) by pcp trade, on Flickr

salthill · 11-30-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jrg1128

It doesn't matter who you send it to, an off card auto always gets a 9. The Soto auto isn't off card, but it's a little streaky. I would just send the card to PSA for protection and not get the auto graded. It doesn't really matter what it grades anyways, it's his only on-card auto besides five star and triple threads, plus it's a 1/1. Should just be sent in for grading strictly for protection.

And Heritage High Number, right?

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Welp, Im already out at 445, lol. 9 1/2 days to go to see where it ends.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14303316108...torefresh=true

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Originally Posted by KGWVU

holy crap, already at $445.

LOL, I bought one recently for $425 after ebay bucks and people were saying that I am the one chasing these parallels at such high prices and that I am responsible for the price increase in these parallels! Oh well...

rainmaker · 11-30-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

PSA didn't start grading certified (pack pulled) autos until this year, so that does not affect the value of the card, nor cause any element of doubt for any prospective buyers. It's pretty obvious why people send streaky autos to PSA and just get the card graded.

not sure i agree with this assessment

han soto · 11-30-2018, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

not sure i agree with this assessment

agreed.

Sinoth23 · 11-30-2018, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by han soto

something / something:

Sweet pickup. Big fan of the vintage ones.

unclemonkey · 11-30-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

LOL, I bought one recently for $425 after ebay bucks and people were saying that I am the one chasing these parallels at such high prices and that I am responsible for the price increase in these parallels! Oh well...

but... You will enjoy the laugh all the way to the bank!

TheWrightStuff · 11-30-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

LOL, I bought one recently for $425 after ebay bucks and people were saying that I am the one chasing these parallels at such high prices and that I am responsible for the price increase in these parallels! Oh well...

Looks like KGWVU is high bidder at $543 right now. 9 days to go.

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Welp, Im already out at 445, lol. 9 1/2 days to go to see where it ends.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14303316108...torefresh=true

Of late, what I have noticed with PWCC auction is most of the price movement happens during the first few days of auction and the price does not move as much during the last few day of auction. Lets see how this unfolds!

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Looks like KGWVU is high bidder at $543 right now. 9 days to go.

I am staying out!

KGWVU · 11-30-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Looks like KGWVU is high bidder at $543 right now. 9 days to go.

Yeah, I threw a bid in. My bid is probably not high enough to win though.

I imagine this card goes to $650 - $700. It looks to be in great shape as well.

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Sinoth23 · 11-30-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mbarnes1546

Platinum is tough to see and looked off white. Definitely got a big surprise when I flipped this over this afternoon... Out of a hobby box, go figure.

Damn, huge day yesterday for Soto cards. Congrats, it's a beaut.

rainmaker · 11-30-2018, 02:41 PM

i will say the soto indy parallel is one of the most attractive 2018 cards produced. i tried to buy one a while back for 400 think it sold a bit higher as my offer was declined.

nevertheless, may i ask a question to those still in the market on these? what is your perceived upside from here on these cards in raw state? $1k, $2k, $10k?? i just dont see how, even if he is performing at mvp level come the break this card goes much higher than these current hammers.

i ask with true curiosity.

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

i will say the soto indy parallel is one of the most attractive 2018 cards produced. i tried to buy one a while back for 400 think it sold a bit higher as my offer was declined.

nevertheless, may i ask a question to those still in the market on these? what is your perceived upside from here on these cards in raw state? $1k, $2k, $10k?? i just dont see how, even if he is performing at mvp level come the break this card goes much higher than these current hammers.

i ask with true curiosity.

This is all speculation imo. If Soto/Acuna continue to perform well the next 8 years (say for example like Trout over the past 8years), my guess is the raw cards in mint condition can easily trade at 10K if not higher! Proof: Look at the current prices of Trout's 2011 TU Hope Diamond/60 and Black border/60. However, this is a huge gamble and based on an assumption that might not pan out.

Now, Go Get 'Em (Indy and black parallels) Tiger! Just Kidding

Soxfanguy · 11-30-2018, 04:19 PM

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

Soto in Dynasty. Auto patch to /10, /5 and /1 for 16 cards total.

nera20 · 11-30-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, auto grade are used as a tool by sellers to increase sale price. It may not matter much for superfractors or 1/1 since there is only one card in existence. Here is an example of Acuna's Purple refractor, both PSA 10, however one of them had the auto graded 10 and marketed as pop 1. Its sale price was 30% more than the one with no auto grade. There are some buyers willing to pay extra premium for such cards with both card and auto grade of 10. Again, this may not matter at all to 1/1 or superfractors since the population is one regardless of the auto grade. I was going to buy the Acuna without the auto grade and when I realized that similar cards with auto grade (by PSA) existed, I passed on it. I asked the seller why he/she did not grade the auto as well. Anyways, it does affect the value and may cause an element of doubt in prospective buyers like me. I don't mind paying the extra 20-30% premium to buy the one with an auto grade of 10. I may be one of those odd ones

PSA (Auto not graded) by pcp trade, on Flickr

PSA (auto graded) by pcp trade, on Flickr

i want to cross my refractor auto true gem to psa its a 10 auto but i wasn’t gonna bother with the auto grade because it cost more and you can tell just by looking at most autos if they are good

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nera20

i want to cross my refractor auto true gem to psa its a 10 auto but i wasn’t gonna bother with the auto grade because it cost more and you can tell just by looking at most autos if they are good

PSA does not charge extra for Auto grade if I am not wrong. For cards with a declared value under $500, both CARD AUTHENTICATION & GRADING AND CARD & AUTOGRAPH DUAL SERVICE are $20. It is $50 for cards with declared value $500-$1999. The fee is much higher for cards with declared value above $2000. For cards less than $2000, I would grade the auto as well and that is my personal preference. The Acuna card was worth less than $2000 and the one with auto grade of 10 (and card grade of 10) sold for $300 more than the one without auto grade even though both cards had a grade of 10

han soto · 11-30-2018, 06:37 PM

which card sold first?

and are there any other examples?

because frankly if i were interested in this card and had the option to pick,
would go with the auto graded one. BUT not because it has an auto grade, rather bc the auto does not go thru his printed name as it does in the other example, seems to have better centering and far superior overall eye-appeal.

basically what im saying is that maybe there are other factors that this particular card sold for more. oh and the most important thing i forgot to mention; auto grades are poop.

buy the card not the holder!

pcptrade · 11-30-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by han soto

which card sold first?

and are there any other examples?

because frankly if i were interested in this card and had the option to pick,
would go with the auto graded one. BUT not because it has an auto grade, rather bc the auto does not go thru his printed name as it does in the other example, seems to have better centering and far superior overall eye-appeal.

basically what im saying is that maybe there are other factors that this particular card sold for more. oh and the most important thing i forgot to mention; auto grades are poop.

buy the card not the holder!

The card with the auto grade sold first. If the PSA grading fee (non bulk orders) for grading card only vs both card and auto (dual service) is the same, why not get the auto graded.

https://www.psacard.com/fees/

11-30-2018, 02:41 PM	#1819
rainmaker Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,824 thewescoast	i will say the soto indy parallel is one of the most attractive 2018 cards produced. i tried to buy one a while back for 400 think it sold a bit higher as my offer was declined. nevertheless, may i ask a question to those still in the market on these? what is your perceived upside from here on these cards in raw state? $1k, $2k, $10k?? i just dont see how, even if he is performing at mvp level come the break this card goes much higher than these current hammers. i ask with true curiosity. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/152850287@N08/albums

11-30-2018, 04:19 PM	#1821
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards Soto in Dynasty. Auto patch to /10, /5 and /1 for 16 cards total. __________________ ok

11-30-2018, 06:37 PM	#1824
han soto Banned - PBM Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: moms basement Posts: 244	which card sold first? and are there any other examples? because frankly if i were interested in this card and had the option to pick, would go with the auto graded one. BUT not because it has an auto grade, rather bc the auto does not go thru his printed name as it does in the other example, seems to have better centering and far superior overall eye-appeal. basically what im saying is that maybe there are other factors that this particular card sold for more. oh and the most important thing i forgot to mention; auto grades are poop. buy the card not the holder! Last edited by han soto; 11-30-2018 at 06:48 PM.

11-30-2018, 01:44 PM	#1803
mbarnes1546 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 639 mbarnes1546	[QUOTE=jrg1128;14144126]It doesn't matter who you send it to, an off card auto always gets a 9. The Soto auto isn't off card, but it's a little streaky. I would just send the card to PSA for protection and not get the auto graded. It doesn't really matter what it grades anyways, it's his only on-card auto besides five star and triple threads, plus it's a 1/1. Should just be sent in for grading strictly for protection.[/QUOTE] On it's way to BGS for this reason mostly. Thanks for all the congrats, it's a great looking card and very happy to have hit something so nice.