LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[rysportguy]

One of the things that makes this tough is that the people who know the individuals involved best also very likely have cards that could be impacted by this controversy. So there is deep bias involved.

[rysportguy]

Originally Posted by Noah

Not good at posting links but same card is or was psa at some point......

We got some TRIM boys??

https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...a/7190-80837.s

Oh boy

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Noah

Not good at posting links but same card is or was psa at some point......

We got some TRIM boys??

https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...a/7190-80837.s

That was posted earlier. It was rookies card when it was in the PSA case. It doesn't look trimmed in the BGS case. But it certainly wasn't under graded. It got an 8 with BGS because of the way BGS treats subgrades. Something that has near mint edges is a PSA 7.

[Noah]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That was posted earlier. It was rookies card when it was in the PSA case. It doesn't look trimmed in the BGS case. But it certainly wasn't under graded. It got an 8 with BGS because of the way BGS treats subgrades. Something that has near mint edges is a PSA 7.

Ok didn't see that, the card just looks so small in that bgs case for some reason from left to right, Could be the camera angle i suppose

[I only pull for]

Wouldn't it be something if one of the apologist for the trimmed card owner works at a grading company...

[hxcmilkshake]

Wings is having a very good evening thus far.

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[Noah]

Is someone who hasn't logged on in 2 days, and then comes in bumping tons of high end lebron/jordan and high end discussions involved???

I am a paranoid

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Noah

Is someone who hasn't logged on in 2 days, and then comes in bumping tons of high end lebron/jordan and high end discussions involved???

I am a paranoid

NYFAN is just kind of weird. But I think he’s harmless.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Noah

Is someone who hasn't logged on in 2 days, and then comes in bumping tons of high end lebron/jordan and high end discussions involved???

I am a paranoid

Doubtful. He does it randomly from time to time. He just needs updates on where the logoman are, who owns the most expensive cards, etc etc. it’s normal

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Doubtful. He does it randomly from time to time. He just needs updates on where the logoman are, who owns the most expensive cards, etc etc. it’s normal

i agree

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by Wings

These fingers have never been inside a woman.

I know I am still (currently) three pages behind, but this is the funniest (and most accurate) post I have read all year. QFT. Sad but true.

[houdini]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

any chance he has other accounts (burner accounts) posting here?

I checked that a bit ago. While it is not impossible, I was able to find his personal profile online and he is both a real person and appears to have the kind of job that would let him dabble in the high-end market.

As of now, I do not think he is a pbm unless it was long ago.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by houdini

I checked that a bit ago. While it is not impossible, I was able to find his personal profile online and he is both a real person and appears to have the kind of job that would let him dabble in the high-end market.

As of now, I do not think he is a pbm unless it was long ago.

Thanks Houdini!

[Jpayne7787]

Small timer here, this is a very sad thread indeed.

-I’ve dealt with Eric a few times, one of the nicest guy I’ve dealt with since I came back to the hobby, one of the only high end guys that actually took the time to message back and forth with me to haggle over a card that’s peanuts to him I’m sure, has been more than fair with me and Has gone above and beyond, when he didn’t need to.

Not just Eric but a lot of these guys I see in this thread are guys people like myself have looked up to so to speak, and wish our collection can be a fraction of what these guys have one day.

Some of these stories and names like Bill and Pokorov doesn’t even ring a bell to me, I guess I’m just very new to the hobby compared to others.

But one thing I have learned is people will always do shady business, no matter how clean and innocent they seem espicially when there is a dollar to be made. And nothing I’ve seen posted in this thread would surprise me one way or another.

Just sucks to see so many legends caught in fire and does make me question about the state of the hobby as a whole, but I know this isn’t just the high end market, shady #@#@#@#@ happens over low end too, only time I’ve had a guy steal from me was over a few $5-10 cards, I’ve seen a kid try to steal and run for it at the National over a few common refractors.

Just a sad dark day for the hobby we all love

One last thing, who the !?!? Is Kevindurant? And how much was he payed to play stupid like he has been? Fairly recent join date at that.. who wants to make wagers on which PBM he is? Guys like him are the ones the worry me the most. I hate this “youre not on my level financially so you wouldn’t understand” horseshit, no matter who you think you are there’s always someone that can make you look small, but the logic stays the same. Just my .02

Good bye, I know I didn’t contribute anything relavent to the thread so I apologize for that

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by pejc300

DurantKevin dropping his huge monologue about high end collectors, looking down on everyone, and then getting outed for selling bobbleheads and not even shipping them.

Seeing this summarized so bluntly had me rolling.

[Vladfan1990]

thats very interesting info, a very nice read, all i have to say is anyone shocked by this where their is money involved crazy things happen, one of my friends is one of the few guys who bgs knows on a first name basis, about 10 years ago i cracked out 2 montana rcs that were .5 from a 9.5, rcr under my name bgs said they both had bevealed edges, i gave them to my friend same show one got a 9.5 other got a 8.5, where there is money you will usually find corruption

[rookies]

Ill re address the big points. And further clear my name.

I dont own any cards from sohrob or eric or ones they owned. I am not hiding or helping a 3rd party. I have done lots of deals with Sohrob. He was a big collector. At the time I had a few nice high end cards he did as well and we talked on BO. I personally dont think he trims cards he just doesnt put me off as a guy who does. The card 74/99 was originally .5 from a 9.5/10 grade. This was in a old BGS label. Then card got scuffed on side and I bought the card ungraded as I said. I had never heard of a grade based uptic in price. Sohrob actually told me to do that because the card was .5 from 9.5/10 in a tougher grade time with the old bgs label. My thinking and his was hey maybe the card gets a 9.5x3 then a 8 edge and it gets a 9 which I agreed and thought yeah maybe it does. The card was super clean! So 3k kicker was added. Then i hear card grades a 8 and I say yeah thats fair maybe they doubled it and counted surface and edge as a 8. I NEVER SAW A PHOTO OR CONFIRMATION OF THE 8 GRADE. I trusted Sohrob and did many deals with him gift 20k+ blah blah blah. Which at that time was big big card money. The trade was sent to Eric and he was sending to BGS. I didnt talk with him it was all sohrob who was at the time selling his KD collection. I have not done deals with Eric this is true. Recently he asked for a giannis 9/10 3clr and I said I would move and wanted A giannis 9.5 which he had in return. Deal didnt work out. Mixed messages I guess. Honestly probably my fault. That doesnt matter. What does is because the deal fell and Eric was pissed he had Sohrob text me and Sohrob said hey Jack you didnt do the deal with Eric what the heck.Havent talked to sohrob in years. I said yeah I wanted a 9.5. sorry. He said the giannis was for him (sohrob). And that "you are making him look bad! Id suggest being on his good side " I also got further info in these texts that Sohrob and eric clearly still talk. I brought up the money owed on the 9. Sohrob said eric had the card graded a 8 and " I cant help it if someone trimmed it" But now we know only they had it AND beckett? A week or 2 ago Mcgahee21 and I were PM'ing mcgahee was pissed at him over the giannis prizm card. Also with other cards he said. If he were here I think he could help a lot. I have found past trimmers before in the wigginswolf guy and exposed him and have PM'd with Mcaghee before on cut cards as both him and I hate and know it happens a lot.

Why was Eric so upset about missing out on my 9/10 3clr giannis to have Sohrob text me anyway? Well... it was a .5 away from 9.5/10 grade strong subs. I sold card to someone else later...Then Eric bought from that someone I sold to. Card recently graded a 9.5/10. Does he just have huge pull with graders? Probably.

Eric legit does a LOT for the High End hobby. He really does. I am hoping it has nothing to do with him also hoping it has nothing to do with Sohrob. This is not a positive thread or one I wish had happened with their names. I wish I had a good relationship with Eric. It would make buying rare cards much easier for me.

I was not threatened by eric like this is making it sound like, it was just something similar said from sohrob that I showed up above that happened a while back leading to my post on BO. Thus Saying you should be on his good side if you want to get cards back in 14 All I wanted was good cards to this day all I want is good cards its tough to get cards without knowing direct high end people. Eric can get any card. I just wish in a civil matter this could be talked through. If eric wants to text me, text me man. I understand him not wanting to post if its not him doing it, its really tough position and some blowout members just want blood and to pick apart every word. Theres a shot from a few people who Ive talked to that this is a bigger beckett issue. As in some people have pull with graders.

I added those photos that had never seen daylight. Im here for the truth. Also I have no idea who OP is, further background info would be great? As in why were you looking at these cards and how did you come about it? Thats interesting to me. Are you the database KD guy? Do we know who the database KD guy is? Becuase hes saved many cards.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

let me get this straight. You call people idiots, tell them their questions are dumb. Then you complain when you receive the same treatment in return?

The lack of self-awareness is mind blowing.

I think it has to do with his medication. There’s no way someone can be responsible for all of those incongruent posts and be sober.

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by DevinKurant

This return was a year and a half ago and I have transitioned into mostly high end. I like the cards and the economics of the cards much more. You are still not telling that story correctly but I get that you're just trying to make me look bad. The high end community has been much more easy to deal with and I have really enjoyed it. The people are older, mature, professional and there's no name calling. You can follow me on IG but I don't post everything.



I don't look down on people that collect $6 cards. You inferred that. You can believe me or you can assume I look down on people. It's up to you. In all sincerity, I'm sorry that I came across that way. I very much do not believe in being BETTER than anyone.

Your post was, at best, an attempt to demean and embarrass Khal (and others). I meant clown literally, as in rude. Not the skilled performers that entertain/frighten children. In hindsight, I should have used a word that was less ambiguous. I am going to pass on following you on IG. Congratulations on the LBJ/KD dual and the new friend.

[KhalDrogo]

My head just exploded.

[JayConley]

Eric has been painted in a good light recently. I honestly cannot understand why he won't come in now and address the questions? He could set the record straight and put it all behind him. I'm not asking him to incriminate anyone. I'm just asking him to acknowledge some of his major items have been altered and whether or not he plans to disclose it.

The types of people that would be burned by these things are the exact types that we want coming into the hobby and having positive experiences and sticking around. He's actually the most likely to be the welcoming committee to those types. Eric would benefit even more from protecting them and having their best interests in mind.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Eric has been painted in a good light recently. I honestly cannot understand why he won't come in now and address the questions? He could set the record straight and put it all behind him. I'm not asking him to incriminate anyone. I'm just asking him to acknowledge some of his major items have been altered and whether or not he plans to disclose it.

The types of people that would be burned by these things are the exact types that we want coming into the hobby and having positive experiences and sticking around. He's actually the most likely to be the welcoming committee to those types. Eric would benefit even more from protecting them and having their best interests in mind.

Removing Eric and just saying generic person. If you deal in that many high end and there is a connection to a known trimmer would you want to come in because you could open yourself to a lot of problems.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Eric has been painted in a good light recently. I honestly cannot understand why he won't come in now and address the questions? He could set the record straight and put it all behind him. I'm not asking him to incriminate anyone. I'm just asking him to acknowledge some of his major items have been altered and whether or not he plans to disclose it.

The types of people that would be burned by these things are the exact types that we want coming into the hobby and having positive experiences and sticking around. He's actually the most likely to be the welcoming committee to those types. Eric would benefit even more from protecting them and having their best interests in mind.

I can see standing on the sidelines while he would try to figure out how to handle it all...especially if he truly was in the dark about all of this.

Now, I'm a skeptic, so by default I assume he knew the history of some of these.

That said, if I was holding a few hundred grand in graded cards that are now clearly known as trimmed/altered...I'd be uncomfortable.

If $500,000 turned into $100,000...that's a bad day in virtually all worlds outside of the 1%.

[the27guy]

I’m back. But I stayed away for a few pages.

Yay self discipline!

The thing that is becoming clearer and clearer is that the graders need to add card dimensions to at least their ultra high-end. Honestly, this is way way way past due. There has to be a fairly cost effective way to measure a card to the tenth of a millimeter. I know that this wouldn’t be perfect, but man, it would take a piece of the process that is entirely human out that shouldn’t be human.

We all know that both bgs and psa have had major issues with trimming - especially on modern stuff. While I believe Beckett has gotten much better, I’d prefer a laser measurement than a human numeric grade any day. Again, especially on really big cards.

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Removing Eric and just saying generic person. If you deal in that many high end and there is a connection to a known trimmer would you want to come in because you could open yourself to a lot of problems.

With 100% certainty. I don't think it's even close. When you have this much equity at stake and your silence can be seen as an admission of guilt, you make a statement. This isn't just a "high-end" card. This is the LeBron Exquisite RPA. Whether you like LeBron or not, you have to acknowledge that card is going to be the single most important modern card in the entire hobby. It's 6 figures. If your silence costs you 20% and makes the card infamous, you clear that IMMEDIATELY.