Is it false advertising or fraud?

[AUfanatic]

Ok, now that I have your attention. The card in question is the 2018 Kamryn Pettway Chick-fil-A patch card seen here:



However, he clearly was not in the game or even with the team during the game or at the stadium:



What say you?

[enderslot]

I think it comes down to, does the card claim it's game worn or Player worn?
because player worn could happen at panini events where they take the player back and have him put on specially made jerseys.

[mike1498]

They did this last year too... it’s nothing new. It will say player worn it’s just so collectors can have cooler patches

[goodole13]

Goodness gracious, how often is this going to have to be explained...

[AUfanatic]

I don't need to be educated, I'm just calling it out. This is a bit different than those that have patches off of non-game-worn clothing articles/materials. In this case Pettway wasn't even with the team, not even in the same state, when the game was played. Yet, here we have a patch that is deliberately trying to imply otherwise.

Originally Posted by goodole13

Goodness gracious, how often is this going to have to be explained...

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by AUfanatic

I don't need to be educated, I'm just calling it out. This is a bit different than those that have patches off of non-game-worn clothing articles/materials. In this case Pettway wasn't even with the team, not even in the same state, when the game was played. Yet, here we have a patch that is deliberately trying to imply otherwise.

Okay if you are trying to educate you would have realized this was discussed last year too.

Oh and by the way when your thread title is a question it is generally implied that you're asking a question. Unless it is rhetorical (which it doesn't appear to be) you didn't come off explaining but instead asking a question.

[monkeymcgee]

Let me blow your mind further: they will buy jerseys for players with numbers they never wore in games and in styles they never wore in games. As long as the clothing was on them for a second, they can call in "player worn." They only use the same team as a courtesy to not make buyers feel like bigger suckers than they do when they discover this sham.

[ILOVEBEER]

How would it be fraud? What does the back of the card say?

None of these cards have jerseys worn by the actual player in an actual game.

[messier2]

Another hobby-newbie educated!

[Siberian13]

This is how it is and will be going forward. Just another positive the hobby has going for it

[IronMonkey415]

Picture of that guy wearing a bunch of jersey, please

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Picture of that guy wearing a bunch of jersey, please

As you wish: http://www.voiceofthecollector.com/2011/05/

[Grid]

Is it false advertising or fraud? I'll take the third option:

Its a card, that does NOT show a fake picture of the player at that game wearing a jersey like this. The COA does NOT state that the player played in that game, or ever actually wore this jersey in a game. And the card itself makes zero mention of this game.

Nothing implied anywhere on that card that this is anything more than a piece of memorabilia taken from something the player wore at some time in some manner. They could have used a piece of a Superman hat that he wore on draft day. And if I saw that swatch in a card, I wouldn't consider it fraud implying that he was part of the Justice League.

It would just be a part of something he touched/used/wore at any time, cut into a swatch. Nothing more or less.

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by Grid

Is it false advertising or fraud? I'll take the third option:

Its a card, that does NOT show a fake picture of the player at that game wearing a jersey like this. The COA does NOT state that the player played in that game, or ever actually wore this jersey in a game. And the card itself makes zero mention of this game.

Nothing implied anywhere on that card that this is anything more than a piece of memorabilia taken from something the player wore at some time in some manner. They could have used a piece of a Superman hat that he wore on draft day. And if I saw that swatch in a card, I wouldn't consider it fraud implying that he was part of the Justice League.

It would just be a part of something he touched/used/wore at any time, cut into a swatch. Nothing more or less.

very funny. but after thinking about it-that would be cool! so tired of plain white jersey BS on overpriced cards.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Grid

Is it false advertising or fraud? I'll take the third option:

Its a card, that does NOT show a fake picture of the player at that game wearing a jersey like this. The COA does NOT state that the player played in that game, or ever actually wore this jersey in a game. And the card itself makes zero mention of this game.

Nothing implied anywhere on that card that this is anything more than a piece of memorabilia taken from something the player wore at some time in some manner. They could have used a piece of a Superman hat that he wore on draft day. And if I saw that swatch in a card, I wouldn't consider it fraud implying that he was part of the Justice League.

It would just be a part of something he touched/used/wore at any time, cut into a swatch. Nothing more or less.

Agreed, the other gotcha is that the patch doesn't he have to be worn by Pettway. Panini will still use rookie, player worn material for years later and re-purpose it as they see fit. Meaning if a 2016 first round pick wore a bunch of jerseys at a rookie event and they expect to use these for the next few years on his cards. Player gets cut/injured and isn't in 2018 sets. Take those jerseys and use it for other current players/rookies of the same team.

[KevJo]

Originally Posted by goodole13

Goodness gracious, how often is this going to have to be explained...

Its like banging your head on the door over and over again, the door is about off the hinges LOL.

Kevin

[dolphinsdude]

Because this has happened before and has been explained already, does it make it anymore or any less misleading. Immaculate isn't a cheap break by any means and not all collector's hang around these forums.

[Seahawks fan]

Originally Posted by dolphinsdude

Because this has happened before and has been explained already, does it make it anymore or any less misleading. Immaculate isn't a cheap break by any means and not all collector's hang around these forums.

Honest question...aside from 2010 exquisite where they used game used nfl jerseys in some of their college cards...when was the last time a company other than press pass that used game worn college jerseys?

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

Honest question...aside from 2010 exquisite where they used game used nfl jerseys in some of their college cards...when was the last time a company other than press pass that used game worn college jerseys?

Last years collegiate flawless. But that was only for veterans. I even think Immaculate colliegate did also but that again was only for veternans

[LC2nine10]

Originally Posted by dolphinsdude

Because this has happened before and has been explained already, does it make it anymore or any less misleading. Immaculate isn't a cheap break by any means and not all collector's hang around these forums.

But if they don't hang around these forums, how will they be educated by said forums?

[cking]

You can thank the group break junkies/degenerates/sheep/addicts for this crap.

They have literally handed these companies a license to treat all collectors like complete and total crap by selling out every group break of every product.

Why would Panini spend $4K on a Lance Alworth real game used jersey when they can buy one on some chinese knoock off website for $15 and you will pay the same price for either one. Think about it.

I know people who buy into breaks who are worse then real actual drug addicts.

[tnvolfan16]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

Honest question...aside from 2010 exquisite where they used game used nfl jerseys in some of their college cards...when was the last time a company other than press pass that used game worn college jerseys?

2001 upper deck mvp campus classics, 2006-2009ish donruss and leaf college stuff, 2010 exquisite, 2016 national treasures college all say game worn.

[rittdk01]

Try explaining this to non collectors lol. Stickers and non game used jerseys. My wife laughed and couldn’t believe people buy this stuff. Football cards are headed in the right direction.....

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by rittdk01

Try explaining this to non collectors lol. Stickers and non game used jerseys. My wife laughed and couldn’t believe people buy this stuff. Football cards are headed in the right direction.....

Haha totally true. I recently bought a Panini Contenders Draft Picks auto of Josh Sweat for my FSU auto collection except it's the "Bowl Ticket" variation that's /99 only problem is Sweat sat out our bowl game last year to avoid injury/not hurt his draft stock. Not as egregious as some of this in here but another example of Panini trying to run the hobby into the ground with their 89 different sticker auto parallels.

[cking]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Haha totally true. I recently bought a Panini Contenders Draft Picks auto of Josh Sweat for my FSU auto collection except it's the "Bowl Ticket" variation that's /99 only problem is Sweat sat out our bowl game last year to avoid injury/not hurt his draft stock. Not as egregious as some of this in here but another example of Panini trying to run the hobby into the ground with their 89 different sticker auto parallels.

I understand where you are coming from but Panini keeps making this stuff for one reason and one reason only..............because people keep buying it.

If people are going to continue to buy it, they are going to keep making it.