Cousins to golden state - Page 22

Cavaliercards · 07-03-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elee712

That's right. I dont get what the hub bub is about. If cousins plays well and behaves theres no way in hell he is resigning with the warriors. It's a half year rental for essentially 20 million.

Lakers werent contending this year for the title anyways. Warriors are just rehabbing him for anybody who is willing to give him a long term contract next year.

He can’t go back to Warriors on much of a deal so he will be elsewhere

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Offers were known days before, same as any other year. Gonna go with NBA reporters who do this for a living that said Boston wasn’t interested. Paul getting injured hurt that series.

Teams aren't going to offer a significantly, significantly less amount of money at the beginning of free agency to a player that is asking for a max deal.

mfw13 · 07-03-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

It happened for one reason and one reason only, the Warriors are the best team in the league and Cousins was willing to take less to be on it.

And?????

Whose fault is it that the Warriors have built a great front office, drafted well, and made themselves a top destination for free agents? Isn't that what every single team is trying to do???

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elee712

I dont think many people in life would be interested in taking less money to go to a bad situation.

Of course not.

Doesn't mean he didn't go there for a ring. Want to factor in that maybe he tries to parlay this into a max deal next year? Ok. Still doesn't mean he didn't go there for a ring... for peanuts.

elee712 · 07-03-2018, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

He can’t go back to Warriors on much of a deal so he will be elsewhere

So what would you suggest he should have done?

mfw13 · 07-03-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

You're not the least bit salty that 2018-19 is already in the books as a GSW championship?

No. Because it's not. Players get hurt. Players get traded. Team emerge.

How quickly people forget that at this exact same time last year everyone was already writing the season off as a guaranteed Warriors championship.

Yet not only did the Warriors not even finish with the #1 seed in their conference, but they had to go to seven games in the Conference Finals in order to beat the Rockets (and might have lost that Game 7 had CP3 not been injured).

In other words, while the Warriors are prohibitive favorites (and were before they signed Boogie), you still gotta play the games.

elee712 · 07-03-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Of course not.

Doesn't mean he didn't go there for a ring. Want to factor in that maybe he tries to parlay this into a max deal next year? Ok. Still doesn't mean he didn't go there for a ring... for peanuts.

So what if he did? Is anybody denying that was a factor why he chose the warriors?

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elee712

So what if he did? Is anybody denying that was a factor why he chose the warriors?

When someone says it's not piggybacking, yeah.

mfw13 · 07-03-2018, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Omission:

Went to a team to win a championship

So?

Isn't the purpose of the game to win championships?

Wouldn't pretty much every player in the league jump at an offer from the Warriors?

You make it sound like trying to get a ring is a bad thing.....

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

So?

Isn't the purpose of the game to win championships?

Wouldn't pretty much every player in the league jump at an offer from the Warriors?

You make it sound like trying to get a ring is a bad thing.....

All I'm saying is let's just be honest here about the choice he made.

Also.. the Warriors didn't offer him. He (or his agent, not sure) initiated the conversation.

GeechQuest · 07-03-2018, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

And?????

Whose fault is it that the Warriors have built a great front office, drafted well, and made themselves a top destination for free agents? Isn't that what every single team is trying to do???

The Warriors front office has done great things no doubt, but they’ve been EXTREMELY lucky. In fact, I’d say more luck than skill.

-They draft Curry because he was refusing Minnesota when Minny was going to draft him. Both David Kahn and Dell Curry have stated this.
-Curry is hurt which allows them to resign him to a much cheaper deal which ends up paying dividends down the road.
-The League negotiates a new TV deal for $24B
-The revenue from said deal bumps the salary cap up 40% in a single year
-The NBAPA goes against “cap smoothing”, which allows said cap spike
-Due to the cap spike and Curry still being under his “injury” contract, the Warriors have the money to sign Kevin Durant
-The reprucussions of the cap spike led to teams spending wild, so during the 2018 FA period only 7 teams could create more money than the tax exemption which leads to DeMarcus Cousins.

So, yes the Warriors have done great given the circumstances. Not taking anything away from them, but the truth is they have the team they have in large part to dumb luck. No team will EVER be able to do what the Warriors have done even with the best GM of all time.

elee712 · 07-03-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

All I'm saying is let's just be honest here about the choice he made.

Also.. the Warriors didn't offer him. He (or his agent, not sure) initiated the conversation.

yea...i don't think that's what people are most upset about.
People are just mad that the Warriors potentially got stronger.

mfw13 · 07-03-2018, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The Warriors front office has done great things no doubt, but they’ve been EXTREMELY lucky. In fact, I’d say more luck than skill.

-They draft Curry because he was refusing Minnesota when Minny was going to draft him. Both David Kahn and Dell Curry have stated this.
-Curry is hurt which allows them to resign him to a much cheaper deal which ends up paying dividends down the road.
-The League negotiates a new TV deal for $24B
-The revenue from said deal bumps the salary cap up 40% in a single year
-The NBAPA goes against “cap smoothing”, which allows said cap spike
-Due to the cap spike and Curry still being under his “injury” contract, the Warriors have the money to sign Kevin Durant
-The reprucussions of the cap spike led to teams spending wild, so during the 2018 FA period only 7 teams could create more money than the tax exemption which leads to DeMarcus Cousins.

So, yes the Warriors have done great given the circumstances. Not taking anything away from them, but the truth is they have the team they have in large part to dumb luck. No team will EVER be able to do what the Warriors have done even with the best GM of all time.

Valid points, but the only one that is Warriors-specific is the fact that Curry's injury history allowed the Warriors to sign him to what turned out to be, but was not at the time, a team-friendly deal.

mfw13 · 07-03-2018, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

All I'm saying is let's just be honest here about the choice he made.

Everyone is.

He made the choice that was the best for him. Period.

elee712 · 07-03-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The Warriors front office has done great things no doubt, but they’ve been EXTREMELY lucky. In fact, I’d say more luck than skill.

-They draft Curry because he was refusing Minnesota when Minny was going to draft him. Both David Kahn and Dell Curry have stated this.
-Curry is hurt which allows them to resign him to a much cheaper deal which ends up paying dividends down the road.
-The League negotiates a new TV deal for $24B
-The revenue from said deal bumps the salary cap up 40% in a single year
-The NBAPA goes against “cap smoothing”, which allows said cap spike
-Due to the cap spike and Curry still being under his “injury” contract, the Warriors have the money to sign Kevin Durant
-The reprucussions of the cap spike led to teams spending wild, so during the 2018 FA period only 7 teams could create more money than the tax exemption which leads to DeMarcus Cousins.

So, yes the Warriors have done great given the circumstances. Not taking anything away from them, but the truth is they have the team they have in large part to dumb luck. No team will EVER be able to do what the Warriors have done even with the best GM of all time.

A lot of good fortune for sure, which makes up for a lot of bad fortune for a couple decades prior. There's a ton more things that occurred that could have changed history...but you can say that about any team. It's a fun discussion but irrelevant.

just to add...Curry didn't want to go to the Warriors either. He wanted to play for the knicks.

GeechQuest · 07-03-2018, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elee712

A lot of good fortune for sure, which makes up for a lot of bad fortune for a couple decades prior. There's a ton more things that occurred that could have changed history...but you can say that about any team. It's a fun discussion but irrelevant.

just to add...Curry didn't want to go to the Warriors either. He wanted to play for the knicks.

I didn’t know the Knicks thing, that’s interesting to know.

I’ve gone through a Love, Hate, Love relationship with the Warriors.

Liked the come up, viewed KD as a snake, now looking at the landscape of the league I love it. If other teams want a title, you got to take them out. They’re making everybody step their game up, which is awesome.

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Everyone is.

He made the choice that was the best for him. Period.

Maybe.

You gotta admit that's easier to say as a Warriors fan, though.

elee712 · 07-03-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Maybe.

You gotta admit that's easier to say as a Warriors fan, though.

No doubt

jj2 · 07-03-2018, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The Warriors front office has done great things no doubt, but they’ve been EXTREMELY lucky. In fact, I’d say more luck than skill.

-They draft Curry because he was refusing Minnesota when Minny was going to draft him. Both David Kahn and Dell Curry have stated this.
-Curry is hurt which allows them to resign him to a much cheaper deal which ends up paying dividends down the road.
-The League negotiates a new TV deal for $24B
-The revenue from said deal bumps the salary cap up 40% in a single year
-The NBAPA goes against “cap smoothing”, which allows said cap spike
-Due to the cap spike and Curry still being under his “injury” contract, the Warriors have the money to sign Kevin Durant
-The reprucussions of the cap spike led to teams spending wild, so during the 2018 FA period only 7 teams could create more money than the tax exemption which leads to DeMarcus Cousins.

So, yes the Warriors have done great given the circumstances. Not taking anything away from them, but the truth is they have the team they have in large part to dumb luck. No team will EVER be able to do what the Warriors have done even with the best GM of all time.

It really has been the perfect storm for GSW. Everything just fell into place.

theLUCKYshow · 07-03-2018, 07:28 PM

Wow if this is really true. Tell me how the Lakers passed on DeMarcus @ same price as Warriors? Mind boggling unless I'm not getting something, or the reporting is wrong.

From Mark Stein:
"Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again."

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-lake...001753364.html
Report: Lakers passed on DeMarcus Cousins, who turned down $40M from Pelicans last year

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realreodeal · 07-03-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Can't wait till the NBA improves their ratings yet again. People will watch. (still not a fan of the move)

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Uhhh..Wow

Speechless

I thought you were “Speechless” yet you commented about 20
times.

He did what was best for him. End. Of. Story.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-03-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by realreodeal

I thought you were “Speechless” yet you commented about 20
times.

He did what was best for him. End. Of. Story.

Don't you still owe me a reply on the Blake trade thread? Ever getting around to that?

Cavaliercards · 07-03-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Teams aren't going to offer a significantly, significantly less amount of money at the beginning of free agency to a player that is asking for a max deal.

Spots fill up quickly and teams don’t wanna miss out and aren’t gonna hold up for a problem injured player you may get 25 games out of that wants a one year deal

Cavaliercards · 07-03-2018, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Wow if this is really true. Tell me how the Lakers passed on DeMarcus @ same price as Warriors? Mind boggling unless I'm not getting something, or the reporting is wrong.

From Mark Stein:
"Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again."

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-lake...001753364.html
Report: Lakers passed on DeMarcus Cousins, who turned down $40M from Pelicans last year

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DeMarcus turned it down last year like was said earlier, thank you very much.

Lakers passed at same amount, BOOM.

rman112 · 07-03-2018, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Spots fill up quickly and teams don’t wanna miss out and aren’t gonna hold up for a problem injured player you may get 25 games out of that wants a one year deal

You're honestly saying no one was going to give him more for one year than GS? When no one even knew he would take so little? C'mon.

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