GOAT? - Page 2

discostu · 05-17-2018, 03:06 PM

Good grief...enough of the Sandy Koufax.

He's not close to this discussion.

Single seasons? Sure, let's talk.
4-year peak? Sure, let's talk.

GOAT? Not close.

Chicharito · 05-17-2018, 03:09 PM

I mean, it is easier for a super elite player to change a 10 men's game instead of an 18-20 men's game

gopherfan · 05-17-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicharito

I mean, it is easier for a super elite player to change a 10 men's game instead of an 18-20 men's game

English please.

unclemonkey · 05-17-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

100% truth

I have to go with Wilt...

He doesn't get credit for being a star at Kansas in Track and Field.

seabass97166 · 05-17-2018, 03:18 PM

The GOAT is the Bambino.

I'd vote Mays 2nd, and probably Hank Aaron 3rd.

Bonds is the GOAT of a dude's head becoming the size of a pumpkin

wharfrat7624 · 05-17-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

Agreed

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unclemonkey · 05-17-2018, 03:19 PM

Baseball... Bonds might be the most complete player, but I gotta give the edge to Ruth

Neal · 05-17-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalberov

Babe Ruth so thoroughly dominated his era that he should be considered the greatest of all time. The others on the lists were great players and would have probably out played Ruth in their own eras but Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire teams in his.

this

Ruth is the GOAT. Period.

Would he have performed in today's game? Who knows. The ball is much livelier and the pitchers parks are a thing of the past .... nobody knows.

To be clearly heads and tails above the second best, out-hitting entire teams, is impossible in todays game.

GOAT

CardBoard4Life · 05-17-2018, 03:24 PM

Nolan Ryan, hes the K's and KO GOAT.

Chicharito · 05-17-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gopherfan

English please.

If there are only 5 batters in the lineup(instead of 9), Trout can easily bring the Halo to the postseason.

rats60 · 05-17-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

discostu · 05-17-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

motu79 · 05-17-2018, 03:49 PM

Griffey anyone?

I feel he changed the game, but I may also be a little bias.

Nyfancam01 · 05-17-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by motu79

Griffey anyone?

I feel he changed the game, but I may also be a little bias.

Jr would have been the greatest of all time if not for the unfortunate injuries !

rats60 · 05-17-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Also, when he was on steroids, he was bad in the outfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayeK36QoTR4

So pick, the guy who didn't hit a lot of home runs and was good in the field and on the bases, but couldn't throw or the guy who hit home runs and couldn't do much else.

discostu · 05-17-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

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Originally Posted by discostu

Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

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Originally Posted by rats60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Also, when he was on steroids, he was bad in the outfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayeK36QoTR4

So pick, the guy who didn't hit a lot of home runs and was good in the field and on the bases, but couldn't throw or the guy who hit home runs and couldn't do much else.

Ah yes, the Sid Bream throw...that was a given. As far as the Glaus double...not sure what that showcases other than a great hit from Glaus.

Regardless, if you're of the mindset that Bonds could only hit home runs and not much else, it's not worth the discussion.

Skybox · 05-17-2018, 05:05 PM

Babe is the GOAT but a case could be made for Mays

Neal · 05-17-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patchgenie

i think mookie betts will be better than trout and will have more rings. trout won't have one.

LOL

maybe more rings ......

persona · 05-17-2018, 05:15 PM

I know I’m in the minority but I think Tony Gwynn should be considered as one of the top players of all time. He may not be the GOAT and he didn’t have the Home Runs like many others but easily one of the greatest hitters the game has ever seen.

Manmadeofsteel · 05-17-2018, 05:18 PM

Something I just noticed, only one pitcher was put on the list of GOAT...

Can someone explain that to me

Perhaps a thread is needed

rats60 · 05-17-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Ah yes, the Sid Bream throw...that was a given. As far as the Glaus double...not sure what that showcases other than a great hit from Glaus.

Regardless, if you're of the mindset that Bonds could only hit home runs and not much else, it's not worth the discussion.

A high fly ball that was misjudged and he was slow to get to. If you can't see that an average left fielder would have easily caught that ball, then there is nothing to discuss.

Bonds best offensive seasons were 2001-04. You don't get to pick that Bonds at the plate and early-mid 90s Bonds in the field and on the base paths.

MGiuseffi · 05-17-2018, 05:35 PM

The Bambino gets my vote. His numbers are staggering in comparision to everyone else in his era. More HRs per season than several other teams, etc...

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StraWMyerS · 05-17-2018, 05:49 PM

Walter Johnson. Good pitching beats good hitting. Great pitching is untouchable. Do you worry about matchups in fantasy when you have Max Scherzer going? Nope. Any pitcher that is that good for that long deserves a mention, regardless of era.

discostu · 05-17-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

A high fly ball that was misjudged and he was slow to get to. If you can't see that an average left fielder would have easily caught that ball, then there is nothing to discuss.

Bonds best offensive seasons were 2001-04. You don't get to pick that Bonds at the plate and early-mid 90s Bonds in the field and on the base paths.

No hesitation, no misdirection...just Bonds on 38-year-old legs. Regardless, our interpretations of that play are different.

As far as his stats go, can we discuss Bonds from 1991-1994? A lot of people get caught up on the absolute gaudiness of 2001-2004 (and it's easy to do so) and overlook the stellar first two thirds of his career.

Nonetheless...we disagree.

ThoseBackPages · 05-17-2018, 05:57 PM

05-17-2018, 03:06 PM	#26
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persona Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,871	I know I’m in the minority but I think Tony Gwynn should be considered as one of the top players of all time. He may not be the GOAT and he didn’t have the Home Runs like many others but easily one of the greatest hitters the game has ever seen. __________________ *Please let me know in advance if you can not ship within Two Business days.

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05-17-2018, 03:09 PM	#27
Chicharito Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: We The North Posts: 1,200 Chicharito	I mean, it is easier for a super elite player to change a 10 men's game instead of an 18-20 men's game

05-17-2018, 03:18 PM	#30
seabass97166 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,685	The GOAT is the Bambino. I'd vote Mays 2nd, and probably Hank Aaron 3rd. Bonds is the GOAT of a dude's head becoming the size of a pumpkin

05-17-2018, 03:19 PM	#32
unclemonkey Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 4,989	Baseball... Bonds might be the most complete player, but I gotta give the edge to Ruth

05-17-2018, 03:24 PM	#34
CardBoard4Life Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LBC Posts: 292 coinscrystalcards	Nolan Ryan, hes the K's and KO GOAT.

05-17-2018, 03:49 PM	#38
motu79 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Spokane Posts: 2,782 motumaximus motumaximus	Griffey anyone? I feel he changed the game, but I may also be a little bias.

05-17-2018, 05:05 PM	#42
Skybox Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 908 captainshank	Babe is the GOAT but a case could be made for Mays

05-17-2018, 05:35 PM	#47
MGiuseffi Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 379 MGiuseffi1969	The Bambino gets my vote. His numbers are staggering in comparision to everyone else in his era. More HRs per season than several other teams, etc... Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

05-17-2018, 05:49 PM	#48
StraWMyerS Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 3,144 jnrmint511	Walter Johnson. Good pitching beats good hitting. Great pitching is untouchable. Do you worry about matchups in fantasy when you have Max Scherzer going? Nope. Any pitcher that is that good for that long deserves a mention, regardless of era.