First Buzz: 2018 Topps Heritage baseball cards - Page 13

Carrbeaz · 12-27-2017, 01:16 PM

I wonder if Brent will chime in.. I know he gets 80+ cases of heritage every year. It would be dumb to cut him, but many distributors don't mind biting the hand that feeds them. I just stopped doing all business with one of my distributors over their allocation games just recently.

TarjetasBéisbol · 12-27-2017, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

I wonder if Brent will chime in.. I know he gets 80+ cases of heritage every year. It would be dumb to cut him, but many distributors don't mind biting the hand that feeds them. I just stopped doing all business with one of my distributors over their allocation games just recently.

I hope he does chime in, an order that large being cut would have a big hit on his business. I hope he is doing well after his hospital stay. Just shot him a DM on twitter.

parkerj33 · 12-28-2017, 12:33 PM

Read the earlier posts in this thread. This product was on allocation from back in September/October. Most Disty's had pre-orders up 10x from last year and topps is refusing to increase production to match that increased demand....hence preorder case prices are in the 900-1000 range. So anyone buying from disty will have their order slashed to 2016 levels. It is likely topps is increasing production maybe 10% (just a guess), but they could have increased it 100% and still sold out based on disty orders. That would have been bad come April after the initial run...as product would be massively overproduced.

And there is no way (my opinion only) that ohtani is in heritage until the high numbers. Gotta save something to make high numbers attractive.

mfw13 · 12-28-2017, 12:45 PM

I wonder if pre-orders would have been up so much if Topps hadn't started stuffing Heritage with rookie autographs like every other product?

Let's not forget...Heritage is supposed to be a retro product.....it didn't have significant numbers of rookie autographs until 2016. Prior to that, Kershaw and Posey were the only major rookie autos that weren't in HHN.

Stuffing Heritage with rookie autos has done nothing but drive up box prices and make set-building more expensive.

kyle1707 · 12-31-2017, 05:08 PM

2017 ending tonight

Only 58 days till 2018 heritage!

chezball · 12-31-2017, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

I wonder if pre-orders would have been up so much if Topps hadn't started stuffing Heritage with rookie autographs like every other product?

Let's not forget...Heritage is supposed to be a retro product.....it didn't have significant numbers of rookie autographs until 2016. Prior to that, Kershaw and Posey were the only major rookie autos that weren't in HHN.

Stuffing Heritage with rookie autos has done nothing but drive up box prices and make set-building more expensive.

ThoseBackPages · 01-01-2018, 01:42 AM

hoping to find some blasters this year!

Bhenry4 · 01-01-2018, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

hoping to find some blasters this year!

You can get affordable blasters still through pre-sale, bud.

rutgersjpm · 01-01-2018, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

I wonder if pre-orders would have been up so much if Topps hadn't started stuffing Heritage with rookie autographs like every other product?

Let's not forget...Heritage is supposed to be a retro product.....it didn't have significant numbers of rookie autographs until 2016. Prior to that, Kershaw and Posey were the only major rookie autos that weren't in HHN.

Stuffing Heritage with rookie autos has done nothing but drive up box prices and make set-building more expensive.

It's the Judge affect. Those "action variations" are selling for BIG money. I realized how much return Heritage could have when I first opened a case of 2015 Heritage High. Graded Correa, Bryant & Lindor. It was like the gift that kept giving. Most of the collecting world caught on this year if they hadn't already.

nera20 · 01-01-2018, 11:00 AM

as far as retail goes what style gives you the best value blasters, fat packs, retail boxes?

ridgerider · 01-01-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nera20

as far as retail goes what style gives you the best value blasters, fat packs, retail boxes?

I would say retail hanger boxes, I pulled a throwback & a super from them but pulled autos & relics from all 3 types. Though from blasters last year you got 3 SPs and better chances of a hit.

mntwinsfan · 01-01-2018, 11:11 AM

This allocation problem will prevent me from buying my 2 cases this year. I know that I'm a small fish in a big pond but it sucks. I do card shows specifically to make some $ so I can bust Heritage because it's my favorite product. It's frustrating because I do believe that Topps is hurting the hobby and hobby shops by not supplying them with adequate amounts requested. The only bright side is that I'll be able to buy a complete master set for around 1/3 (or less) of what it would cost me to get a case.

ThoseBackPages · 01-01-2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nera20

as far as retail goes what style gives you the best value blasters, fat packs, retail boxes?

Target Exclusive Blasters and Hangers

ThoseBackPages · 01-01-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhenry4

You can get affordable blasters still through pre-sale, bud.

meant the Target Blasters! lol

wish i could pre-sale those

Frankp2311 · 01-01-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mntwinsfan

This allocation problem will prevent me from buying my 2 cases this year. I know that I'm a small fish in a big pond but it sucks. I do card shows specifically to make some $ so I can bust Heritage because it's my favorite product. It's frustrating because I do believe that Topps is hurting the hobby and hobby shops by not supplying them with adequate amounts requested. The only bright side is that I'll be able to buy a complete master set for around 1/3 (or less) of what it would cost me to get a case.

You cant get 2 cases??

mfw13 · 01-01-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rutgersjpm

It's the Judge affect. Those "action variations" are selling for BIG money. I realized how much return Heritage could have when I first opened a case of 2015 Heritage High. Graded Correa, Bryant & Lindor. It was like the gift that kept giving. Most of the collecting world caught on this year if they hadn't already.

That's kinda the problem in a nutshell, isn't it.

Heritage is now just another product that is discussed in terms of its financial "return" (i.e. profit potential), rather than the cards/set themselves.

ThoseBackPages · 01-01-2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

That's kinda the problem in a nutshell, isn't it.

Heritage is now just another product that is discussed in terms of its financial "return" (i.e. profit potential), rather than the cards/set themselves.

i would replace your use of "Heritage" with all cards, especially now that it is 2018.

over on the BKB section, Prizm is all the rage, but some folks seem to not realize (or care because they are investors and not collectors) that Prizm is well made AND well printed.

rutgersjpm · 01-01-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

That's kinda the problem in a nutshell, isn't it.

Heritage is now just another product that is discussed in terms of its financial "return" (i.e. profit potential), rather than the cards/set themselves.

I think it has to do with it's universal collectibility. How many Judge RCs did we have this year? Which one sells the best? The card quality, the design, the photography, the nostalgia. It all plays a factor and anyone that truly collects can tell pretty quickly that Heritage is a very collectible.product.

mntwinsfan · 01-01-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankp2311

You cant get 2 cases??

Nope. My LCS was told he could only get one (he has received 4 yearly), and I'm not paying the ridiculous prices that are being asked of them at the moment.

nevermore · 01-01-2018, 08:07 PM

I cannot believe Heritage has already reached the 1969 set. Looking forward to the complete autograph checklist.

Carrbeaz · 01-01-2018, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mntwinsfan

This allocation problem will prevent me from buying my 2 cases this year. I know that I'm a small fish in a big pond but it sucks. I do card shows specifically to make some $ so I can bust Heritage because it's my favorite product. It's frustrating because I do believe that Topps is hurting the hobby and hobby shops by not supplying them with adequate amounts requested. The only bright side is that I'll be able to buy a complete master set for around 1/3 (or less) of what it would cost me to get a case.

This isn't Topps doing the allocating. It is the distributors.

kyle1707 · 01-01-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

This isn't Topps doing the allocating. It is the distributors.

That is a fact.....

My 2 dist have cut me from 8-10 cases to 4 this year..

Guarantee in a week or 2 after release they will have it back up for 100 a box..

They will say they bought it from secondary market. but we all know what is going on

It sucks but i really dont blame them.. this stopped being a hobby long ago

nera20 · 01-01-2018, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

That is a fact.....

My 2 dist have cut me from 8-10 cases to 4 this year..

Guarantee in a week or 2 after release they will have it back up for 100 a box..

They will say they bought it from secondary market. but we all know what is going on

It sucks but i really dont blame them.. this stopped being a hobby long ago

i know this isn’t popular with alot of people but mentioned earlier it would be nice to just buy direct from topps so much easier

kyle1707 · 01-01-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nera20

i know this isn’t popular with alot of people but mentioned earlier it would be nice to just buy direct from topps so much easier

I can see it going there...

Finest baseball bombed 2 years ago..

But that is because they wanted 110 and cost from dist was usually 82

If they start doing it at a lower price i can see it working big..

Seems FOTL is going well for panini

nera20 · 01-01-2018, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

I can see it going there...

Finest baseball bombed 2 years ago..

But that is because they wanted 110 and cost from dist was usually 82

If they start doing it at a lower price i can see it working big..

Seems FOTL is going well for panini

i dont want to see people lose their business but in this day and age straight from topps and panini probably makes sense

12-27-2017, 01:16 PM	#301
Carrbeaz Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,809	I wonder if Brent will chime in.. I know he gets 80+ cases of heritage every year. It would be dumb to cut him, but many distributors don't mind biting the hand that feeds them. I just stopped doing all business with one of my distributors over their allocation games just recently. __________________ If you ask me what is the least I will take, then I am going to respond with, "What is the most you are willing to pay?"

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nevermore Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 438	I cannot believe Heritage has already reached the 1969 set. Looking forward to the complete autograph checklist. __________________ Paul O'Neill & Yankees Collector -- https://sites.google.com/site/pinstripedpursuit/ Wanted: (1) 2005 The Cup Lundqvist RC /199, (2) 1993 Finest Refractor Don Mattingly

12-28-2017, 12:33 PM	#303
parkerj33 Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Manlius, NY Posts: 1,867 Parker_Cards	Read the earlier posts in this thread. This product was on allocation from back in September/October. Most Disty's had pre-orders up 10x from last year and topps is refusing to increase production to match that increased demand....hence preorder case prices are in the 900-1000 range. So anyone buying from disty will have their order slashed to 2016 levels. It is likely topps is increasing production maybe 10% (just a guess), but they could have increased it 100% and still sold out based on disty orders. That would have been bad come April after the initial run...as product would be massively overproduced. And there is no way (my opinion only) that ohtani is in heritage until the high numbers. Gotta save something to make high numbers attractive.

12-28-2017, 12:45 PM	#304
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,447	I wonder if pre-orders would have been up so much if Topps hadn't started stuffing Heritage with rookie autographs like every other product? Let's not forget...Heritage is supposed to be a retro product.....it didn't have significant numbers of rookie autographs until 2016. Prior to that, Kershaw and Posey were the only major rookie autos that weren't in HHN. Stuffing Heritage with rookie autos has done nothing but drive up box prices and make set-building more expensive.

12-31-2017, 05:08 PM	#305
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,457	2017 ending tonight Only 58 days till 2018 heritage!

01-01-2018, 11:11 AM	#312
mntwinsfan Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 317	This allocation problem will prevent me from buying my 2 cases this year. I know that I'm a small fish in a big pond but it sucks. I do card shows specifically to make some $ so I can bust Heritage because it's my favorite product. It's frustrating because I do believe that Topps is hurting the hobby and hobby shops by not supplying them with adequate amounts requested. The only bright side is that I'll be able to buy a complete master set for around 1/3 (or less) of what it would cost me to get a case.