PANINI FOTL BKB 10am CST

[UltimateDeron]

Lonzo’s NT RPA /99 will sell higher than KAT, Ingram, Booker, AD, Kyrie, etc. Maybe even Wiggins, who’s NT was always unnecessarily high imo.

If I had to guess I’d say atleast 4K for Lonzo’s but the Tatum will be the better purchase at likely half that price.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by Giannis

How is it their fault?

They have no security to prevent bots from buying, they announced a release time, they didn't increase their server bandwidth to coincide with an obvious influx in traffic due to the announced release time and they announced it sold out when it hadn't.

You realize a large share of the bandwidth being used and preventing us from buying was bogged down by bots right? Easily prevented with a captcha.

[Giannis]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Lonzo’s NT RPA /99 will sell higher than KAT, Ingram, Booker, AD, Kyrie, etc. Maybe even Wiggins, who’s NT was always unnecessarily high imo.

If I had to guess I’d say atleast 4K for Lonzo’s but the Tatum will be the better purchase at likely half that price.

Geebus.

Now I want to buy two NT FOTL boxes....

[Giannis]

Originally Posted by cp312

They have no security to prevent bots from buying, they announced a release time, they didn't increase their server bandwidth to coincide with an obvious influx in traffic due to the announced release time and they announced it sold out when it hadn't.

You realize a large share of the bandwidth being used and preventing us from buying was bogged down by bots right? Easily prevented with a captcha.

I didn't know that purchasing was done by bots. I think it was just people having 5-7 windows open at the same time and continually refreshing. Each open/tab or page is a different web request.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by Giannis

I didn't know that purchasing was done by bots. I think it was just people having 5-7 windows open at the same time and continually refreshing. Each open/tab or page is a different web request.

Lmao, no it was bots. Yes there were a lot of actual people on their as well, but I guarantee a lot of the bandwidth was taken up by automated programs trying to buy as many boxes as possible, if you think otherwise you're foolish. Think about it, guaranteed profit. We already know there's a bot buying most of the Instant 1/1s, why wouldn't there be one for FOTL?

[Giannis]

Originally Posted by cp312

Lmao, no it was bots. Yes there were a lot of actual people on their as well, but I guarantee a lot of the bandwidth was taken up by automated programs trying to buy as many boxes as possible, if you think otherwise you're foolish. Think about it, guaranteed profit. We already know there's a bot buying most of the Instant 1/1s, why wouldn't there be one for FOTL?

Hmm. Are you seeing a lot of those Instant 1/1s on ebay?

[UltimateDeron]

I was curious if anyone developed a bot for Panini’s website or their app. There are sneaker bots that help people get the hard to get shoe releases so I see no reason why there wouldn’t have been bots getting these Prizm boxes.

[mgsenny]

https://blog.paniniamerica.net/2017/...-off-the-line/

LOL

[tmar214]

Originally Posted by cp312

They have no security to prevent bots from buying, they announced a release time, they didn't increase their server bandwidth to coincide with an obvious influx in traffic due to the announced release time and they announced it sold out when it hadn't.

You realize a large share of the bandwidth being used and preventing us from buying was bogged down by bots right? Easily prevented with a captcha.

Yea agree with this. Panini was essentially giving out 150,000 in free money considering what these will get flipped for. Of course people are going to capitalize on an easy 100% roi.

[Brewers3]

Originally Posted by mgsenny

https://blog.paniniamerica.net/2017/...-off-the-line/

LOL

quick sellout :roll eyes:

couldn't be quick since theyre server sucked so many balls.

[Brewers3]

What are we thinking on rookie red shimmers? 1 to every 3 boxes about? 1 to every 4?

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by Brewers3

What are we thinking on rookie red shimmers? 1 to every 3 boxes about? 1 to every 4?

2 in every box i believe is what they said...oh you said rookies. Don't know

[cp312]

Originally Posted by Giannis

Hmm. Are you seeing a lot of those Instant 1/1s on ebay?

Most with one seller.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

I was curious if anyone developed a bot for Panini’s website or their app. There are sneaker bots that help people get the hard to get shoe releases so I see no reason why there wouldn’t have been bots getting these Prizm boxes.

This right here.

[dherm360]

you cant beat a wife that comes home from work and says, I was on that stupid panini website for 2 hours buying your stupid Christmas gift---then only buys two boxes

[Brewers3]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

2 in every box i believe is what they said...oh you said rookies. Don't know

There are veterans too. Im just assuming a 300 card checklist would not even be 1/4th rookies. So it will be tough I feel.

Ah, see you edited haha

[Giannis]

Originally Posted by cp312

Most with one seller.

Crazy.

[benz35]

Originally Posted by dherm360

you cant beat a wife that comes home from work and says, I was on that stupid panini website for 2 hours buying your stupid Christmas gift---then only buys two boxes

she was able to get 2 ? damn... but even if none - the effort though, grats for a wonderful wife

[bustsomewax]

I still question the yield on these compared to regular hobby. I understand the red shimmer exclusive, but do golds/silver etc fall at the same average?

Regardless, $120 for 2 /8 cards and 2 autographs is an excellent deal.

[Luni]

Originally Posted by Brewers3

What are we thinking on rookie red shimmers? 1 to every 3 boxes about? 1 to every 4?

Assuming a 300 card checklist with 50 rookies:

1,200 total boxes (2 shimmers per box)
400 total RC Red Shimmers
1:3 boxes should have a RC Red Shimmer

Assuming a 400 card checklist with 50 rookies (ala 15/16):

1,600 total boxes (2 shimmers per box)
400 total RC Red Shimmers
1:4 boxes should have a RC Red Shimmer


Slam me with server errors if my math is incorrect lol

[Giannis]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

I still question the yield on these compared to regular hobby. I understand the red shimmer exclusive, but do golds/silver etc fall at the same average?

Regardless, $120 for 2 /8 cards and 2 autographs is an excellent deal.

Plus 22 Prizms (parallels) on average.

[Luni]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

I still question the yield on these compared to regular hobby. I understand the red shimmer exclusive, but do golds/silver etc fall at the same average?

Regardless, $120 for 2 /8 cards and 2 autographs is an excellent deal.

I think the assumption currently is that there will not be any parallels that are serially numbered under 50 or so other than the Red Shimmers in the FOTL boxes but things like Silver Prizms should be similar. That is if it is like the football release.

[puck419]

Originally Posted by Luni

Assuming a 300 card checklist with 50 rookies:

2,400 total boxes
400 total RC Red Shimmers
1:6 boxes should have a RC Red Shimmer

Assuming a 400 card checklist with 50 rookies (ala 15/16):

3,200 total boxes
400 total RC Red Shimmers
1:8 boxes should have a RC Red Shimmer

--

Slam me server errors if my math is incorrect lol

I believe your numbers should be 1:3 and 1:4 since there are 2 reds /8 per box

[stangy24]

Originally Posted by Giannis

Crazy.

Yep. The same guy has most of the metal 1/1'S and almost complete runs of the green /10's. Quick ebay search and you can find him.

[volblorx8634]

I didn't get any boxes, which is fine. Thought it would be cool to get a few with four Kings rookies this year, but just trying to being a part of the mess that was FOTL prizm was worth it. Felt like the biggest "craze" since Pokemon go last year. Fun times and a great distraction from working for half the day.