LeBron - Intentions of finishing career in Cleveland haven't changed - Page 2

johnyensmith123 · 09-25-2017, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

Lol you don't gotta throw the "google" reference bro. I believe u. I actually do know these players but didn't watch many Celtic games. IT is not better than Kyrie if "better" isn't in the context discussing the trade without the pick. ESPwhen no one has a clue what IT is till January. The cavs won the trade if they land Bagley, Porter etc. I also have a shortlist when saying "superstar" an neither kyrie or IT are IMO. Kyrie could potentially be one but IT is about to be 30 with a suspect hip.

And Lebron absolutely needs an AD coming into his prime type.. there are only so many players you can put with Lebron that are both attainable and good enough to beat the Warriors. Lebron has stated he wanted PG13, Melo.. he's not looking to get to the finals and lose to the Dubs so it's OBVIOUS what he wants and the solutions aren't abundant. So telling me he doesn't need "x" or "y" or ABCD is just kinda non sense when he absolutely does considering the options that are quality enough to beat Golden State. Dude isn't hanging around in Cleveland to win 55-60 games then lose to GS & hype his brand with stats or his hot takes. I say all of this nicely btw

IT is NOT better than Kyrie. Agree with you. The TRADE, not IT replacing Kyrie. Especially, considering the fact that Cavs don't know if LeBron's staying. So the TRADE potentially made them better, not IT > Kyrie.

You said the ONLY way LeBron's staying is if Cavs get "CP3 and PG13". And I just said that's not the ONLY way. So me telling you LeBron doesn't need "x" or "y" or ABCD is just kinda NOT non sense. I'm literally quoting what you said. You said CP3 and PG13 were the only way he's staying, which I said was not true.

And also Anthony Davis isn't the only way LeBron can win a championship. Again, you said LeBron "needs Anthony Davis". The reason I say that is because Anthony Davis to Cavs is a hypothetical and if you're going to make up trades, you might as well make up a trade of Westbrook or Butler or someone, although they're less likely to be traded. But who says NO is willing to trade away AD anyway? There were trade rumors, but that's just the media making up hypotheticals, without taking into account if NO is even considering trading away a talent like AD (not Cousins).

johnyensmith123 · 09-25-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

Lol you don't gotta throw the "google" reference bro. I believe u.

Well I have to do that sometimes because once in a while somebody's going to come and say "who exactly said that? give me specific names". Then I'll say google it, so it's just a matter of when I say it.

johnyensmith123 · 09-25-2017, 08:06 PM

And to add one last thing, why do you think AD's a great fit with LeBron in the first place? They're both excellent players so they'll figure it out, but it's not the best fit. Wondering why specifically AD, and why you think he's the only way LeBron can win a championship, considering AD's not necessarily that much available than any particular star player.

HP7163 · 09-25-2017, 08:07 PM

All good.. I didn't initially put a ton of thought into this other than he wanted the banana boat boys reunion but I honestly don't believe that wins but I am convinced the players he needs are going to be hard to get in Cleveland

johnyensmith123 · 09-25-2017, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

All good.. I didn't initially put a ton of thought into this other than he wanted the banana boat boys reunion but I honestly don't believe that wins but I am convinced the players he needs are going to be hard to get in Cleveland

Yeah I agree with you. Honestly, even if the Cavs get D-Wade, I don't know if the Cavs have a chance against the Warriors still.

HP7163 · 09-25-2017, 08:09 PM

Anthony Davis has 2 years left I believe . Westbrook can opt out after this year . Zero idea of Butlers contract

HP7163 · 09-25-2017, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

Yeah I agree with you. Honestly, even if the Cavs get D-Wade, I don't know if the Cavs have a chance against the Warriors still.

They don't. DWade is a shell of himself. But scenarios are just that . Just not sure what happens with this although it will be exciting since my Mavericks aren't sniffing lebron

pingbling23 · 09-25-2017, 08:32 PM

Lebrons not leaving, no matter how bad the media and the Lebron detractors want to shout from the rooftops. I think they beat gws and win another title over the next two years. Wait and see.

HP7163 · 09-25-2017, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

Lebrons not leaving, no matter how bad the media and the Lebron detractors want to shout from the rooftops. I think they beat gws and win another title over the next two years. Wait and see.

Lmao ... NO. They should've been swept and got weaker

sportzluvr1 · 09-25-2017, 10:55 PM

Will never sniff another ring. Maybe another finals blowout er' two.

Watt · 09-25-2017, 10:57 PM

For all you so certain he's leaving, where is he going to go? The Lakers to play with a bunch of young players with 0 playoff experience and have to face the Warriors sooner in the playoffs, potentially in the first round?

johnyensmith123 · 09-25-2017, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

Lmao ... NO. They should've been swept and got weaker

Well this is kind of what Richard Jefferson was saying, but I kind of agree with it: Cavs down 2-0, just like in 2016. Okay. Game 3, Cavs up 6 or so with about a minute remaining. Things happen, then Korver misses a corner three. KD comes up in transition and hits a huge, gutty, long three in transition. Then Kyrie misses a potential game winning shot, a shot he's hit so many times before. So Game 3 was pretty close. Game 4, Cavs won. So it's 3-1. But suppose Game 3 goes to CLE. Then it's 2-2 with all the pressure on GSW to win a Game 5. Suppose GSW wins game 5, which they did. Then in game 6, where Cavs would have won two games already. If they win again at home, it's game 7.

And if you said Cavs had the best player in the world and one of the clutchest players in the world in Kyrie, I would say they have a good chance to win a game 7.

It was actually not too one-sided as the 4-1 series result suggests, considering the 2016 Finals were almost all blowouts too and what happened in the last minute in Game 3 could have changed the series from 5 games to 7.

drobfan8 · 09-26-2017, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Watt

For all you so certain he's leaving, where is he going to go? The Lakers to play with a bunch of young players with 0 playoff experience and have to face the Warriors sooner in the playoffs, potentially in the first round?

This logic isn't correct according to LeBron homers.

If LeBron goes West he'll play harder and gain a top seed, yeah apparently he is just that good.

No sh*t, this is what some actually think.

drobfan8 · 09-26-2017, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

Well this is kind of what Richard Jefferson was saying, but I kind of agree with it: Cavs down 2-0, just like in 2016. Okay. Game 3, Cavs up 6 or so with about a minute remaining. Things happen, then Korver misses a corner three. KD comes up in transition and hits a huge, gutty, long three in transition. Then Kyrie misses a potential game winning shot, a shot he's hit so many times before. So Game 3 was pretty close. Game 4, Cavs won. So it's 3-1. But suppose Game 3 goes to CLE. Then it's 2-2 with all the pressure on GSW to win a Game 5. Suppose GSW wins game 5, which they did. Then in game 6, where Cavs would have won two games already. If they win again at home, it's game 7.

And if you said Cavs had the best player in the world and one of the clutchest players in the world in Kyrie, I would say they have a good chance to win a game 7.

It was actually not too one-sided as the 4-1 series result suggests, considering the 2016 Finals were almost all blowouts too and what happened in the last minute in Game 3 could have changed the series from 5 games to 7.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

No excuses, the Cavs got dominated, it wasn't close at all.

johnyensmith123 · 09-26-2017, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

No excuses, the Cavs got dominated, it wasn't close at all.

Yeah, just like they got dominated in '16 the first four games. It's called looking at context, not looking at the series win-loss record and drawing conclusions. Warriors dominated in '17, but it wasn't "not close". No excuses for Cavs at all. Warriors 100 percent should have won and they did. It's just a matter of looking at context. Yeah Cavs got blown out in several games in '17 finals, like in '16.

And if you still don't think it was almost 7 games, well I really don't care.

drobfan8 · 09-26-2017, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

Yeah, just like they got dominated in '16 the first four games. It's called looking at context, not looking at the series win-loss record and drawing conclusions. Warriors dominated in '17, but it wasn't "not close". No excuses for Cavs at all. Warriors 100 percent should have won and they did. It's just a matter of looking at context. Yeah Cavs got blown out in several games in '17 finals, like in '16.

And if you still don't think it was almost 7 games, well I really don't care.

2016 couldn't have been more different.

Up 3-1 and then GS lose their rim protector and best screener for the rest of the series. And Dray gets suspended meaning he now has to be on his best behavior.

Context is cool huh.

GS spanked the Cavs, no ifs or buts. Wasn't close.

Just like the Spurs spanked the Heat 4-1, also not close.

If you're good enough, you'll get more than 1 win.

Brobocop · 09-26-2017, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

2016 couldn't have been more different.

Up 3-1 and then GS lose their rim protector and best screener for the rest of the series. And Dray gets suspended meaning he now has to be on his best behavior.

Context is cool huh.

GS spanked the Cavs, no ifs or buts. Wasn't close.

Just like the Spurs spanked the Heat 4-1, also not close.

If you're good enough, you'll get more than 1 win.

Are we about to go there?

BostonNut · 09-26-2017, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Watt

For all you so certain he's leaving, where is he going to go? The Lakers to play with a bunch of young players with 0 playoff experience and have to face the Warriors sooner in the playoffs, potentially in the first round?

Yes.

At this point in his career it's about life after basketball.

DajuanWagner · 09-26-2017, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Watt

For all you so certain he's leaving, where is he going to go? The Lakers to play with a bunch of young players with 0 playoff experience and have to face the Warriors sooner in the playoffs, potentially in the first round?

That is correct. To the Lakers, to join PG13, Westbrook, Wade, and Carmelo.....#hopefully.

I would like to see that squad plus a few throw-ins, like Lonzo and the other Laker youngens, match up against the Dubs. Even if the East depletes itself, it would be nice to see a challenge come from somewhere, even if it is within their own conference.

sportzluvr1 · 09-26-2017, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Yes.

At this point in his career it's about life after basketball.

It's about rings. 10 years ago. 5 years ago. Next year. This year.

There is no "life after basketball".

Brobocop · 09-26-2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Yes.

At this point in his career it's about life after basketball.

His exposure level is incredibly high no matter where he plays. He could play on any team in the NBA and still get all the offers he does. If anything, if he left Cleveland again, it could sour people's opinions of him. He runs that risk again.

Orangejello727 · 09-26-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

It's about rings. 10 years ago. 5 years ago. Next year. This year.

There is no "life after basketball".

Magic Johnson says otherwise!

Lebron will make more money post basketball career. You have to be naive if Lebron isnt thinking about his future. He is a better businessman than a basketball player. Please dont think that means he isnt a great basketball player. Its a compliment to him

sportzluvr1 · 09-26-2017, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Magic Johnson says otherwise!

Let's not compare the tail-end of Magics playing career to LeBron's........

pingbling23 · 09-26-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

Lmao ... NO. They should've been swept and got weaker

Wrong on both points.

auctionjmm · 09-26-2017, 11:18 AM

How can anyone say the Cavs got weaker???

Assuming IT plays this year, the Cavs lost Kyrie Irving and added Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade, and Jeff Green. And those are just the rotational players. Add in the overseas additions and Zicic as wild cards and potential contributors. So I'm just not seeing how they got worse.

09-25-2017, 10:55 PM	#35
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,810	Will never sniff another ring. Maybe another finals blowout er' two. __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

09-25-2017, 10:57 PM	#36
Watt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 946	For all you so certain he's leaving, where is he going to go? The Lakers to play with a bunch of young players with 0 playoff experience and have to face the Warriors sooner in the playoffs, potentially in the first round? __________________ Collecting Johnny Gargano/Stipe Miocic/Bob Feller/Kevin Love

09-25-2017, 08:06 PM	#28
johnyensmith123 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,838	And to add one last thing, why do you think AD's a great fit with LeBron in the first place? They're both excellent players so they'll figure it out, but it's not the best fit. Wondering why specifically AD, and why you think he's the only way LeBron can win a championship, considering AD's not necessarily that much available than any particular star player.

09-25-2017, 08:07 PM	#29
HP7163 Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: L.A. , California Posts: 3,886	All good.. I didn't initially put a ton of thought into this other than he wanted the banana boat boys reunion but I honestly don't believe that wins but I am convinced the players he needs are going to be hard to get in Cleveland

09-25-2017, 08:09 PM	#31
HP7163 Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: L.A. , California Posts: 3,886	Anthony Davis has 2 years left I believe . Westbrook can opt out after this year . Zero idea of Butlers contract

09-25-2017, 08:32 PM	#33
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 16,011	Lebrons not leaving, no matter how bad the media and the Lebron detractors want to shout from the rooftops. I think they beat gws and win another title over the next two years. Wait and see.

09-26-2017, 11:18 AM	#50
auctionjmm Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 10,184 auctionjmm	How can anyone say the Cavs got weaker??? Assuming IT plays this year, the Cavs lost Kyrie Irving and added Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade, and Jeff Green. And those are just the rotational players. Add in the overseas additions and Zicic as wild cards and potential contributors. So I'm just not seeing how they got worse.