Where is the Marshawn Lynch anthem thread? - Page 5

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by codered

So sitting for the national anthem is equal to or greater than hate speech.....got it

I love how "insulting someone" has now turned in to hate speech, lol

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Change your Tampon if you think that was personal. My substance is that you are really not for free speech, only for the speech/actions that you agree with (a pretty common thing these days). I must have hit the bulls eye with emotional response that you provided.

Actually, I misread what you wrote before. I changed my response.

That said, how so? Who am I trying to silence? The only people I'm trying to shut up are people who spread hate with their speech like the idiots with swaticas and confederate flags in Virginia. Just because I don't agree with your views on what is and isn't patriotic doesn't mean I'm trying to silence you. I'm stating my views and having a civil conversation just as long as it isn't personal.

trixstar · 08-13-2017, 08:54 PM

TIL it's the same to use racist and homophobic slurs as it is to silently protest.

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

TIL it's the same to use racist and homophobic slurs as it is to silently protest.

Both are offensive. I believe sitting down and eating a banana during the national anthem is far more offensive than saying the f word.

codered · 08-13-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Same reason why they would get suspended for saying a certain anti-gay slur. Political/Racial/etc opinions/actions should not be tolerated by the NFL.

You compared anti-gay slurs (hate speech) to political opinions ie sitting out the anthem. Shortly after you said that you thought sitting out the anthem was worse. Therefore according to you hate speech is equal to or greater than sitting out the anthem

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by codered

You compared anti-gay slurs (hate speech) to political opinions ie sitting out the anthem. Shortly after you said that you thought sitting out the anthem was worse. Therefore according to you hate speech is equal to or greater than sitting out the anthem

If that's how you define hate speech, then sure. I don't see what Kobe said or Matt Joyce said to be hate speech. But to each their own.

37Jetson · 08-13-2017, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Samiamryan

Actually, I misread what you wrote before. I changed my response.

That said, how so? Who am I trying to silence? The only people I'm trying to shut up are people who spread hate with their speech like the idiots with swaticas and confederate flags in Virginia. Just because I don't agree with your views on what is and isn't patriotic doesn't mean I'm trying to silence you. I'm stating my views and having a civil conversation just as long as it isn't personal.

I do not think that you are trying to silence me. I was busting your chops on the MAGA hat thing because it is easy for us all to only see our side of the issues.

We need to be united on shutting down the idiots in Virginia. It is sad and scary that people like that exist in today's world.

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

If that's how you define hate speech, then sure. I don't see what Kobe said or Matt Joyce said to be hate speech. But to each their own.

Lmao. Google definition of hate speech. Tell me what Kobe said doesn't fit the definition to a T.

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I do not think that you are trying to silence me. I was busting your chops on the MAGA hat thing because it is easy for us all to only see our side of the issues.

We need to be united on shutting down the idiots in Virginia. It is sad and scary that people like that exist in today's world.

Glad we see eye to eye on one issue.

codered · 08-13-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

If that's how you define hate speech, then sure. I don't see what Kobe said or Matt Joyce said to be hate speech. But to each their own.

I'm 100% sure the LGBT community would strongly disagree with you and consider that hate speech

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Change your Tampon if you think that was personal. My substance is that you are really not for free speech, only for the speech/actions that you agree with (a pretty common thing these days). I must have hit the bulls eye with emotional response that you provided.

Exactly. These free speech guys would go crazy if it wasn't free speech that they agree with, haha. I'm not the guy who owns a MAGA hat but I can't even imagine the outcry that would happen if some dude was rocking a MAGA hat on the sideline. Haha

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Exactly. These free speech guys would go crazy if it wasn't free speech that they agree with, haha. I'm not the guy who owns a MAGA hat but I can't even imagine the outcry that would happen if some dude was rocking a MAGA hat on the sideline. Haha

Pretty broad generalizations there. Take me for example. Peyton Manning golfing with Trump. Elway is a Trump supporter. I don't like it, but I don't change my views on these guys. They have there reason. That's there choice. And I guess I would consider myself a "free speech guy". Didn't realize the 1st amendment was so wrong.

TheFrenzy · 08-13-2017, 09:31 PM

Can we at least agree that getting angry over the sight of someone sitting is the epitome of a "snowflake"?

I'm not personally a fan of the term, but since it is a common internet term at this point and its definition is fairly well-established - are those who are offended willing to accept the label? Or does it only apply to the "other" side? Or does it apply to no one?

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Samiamryan

Pretty broad generalizations there. Take me for example. Peyton Manning golfing with Trump. Elway is a Trump supporter. I don't like it, but I don't change my views on these guys. They have there reason. That's there choice. And I guess I would consider myself a "free speech guy". Didn't realize the 1st amendment was so wrong.

1st amendment protects hate speech, including your guys very very loose definitions of hate speech.

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

1st amendment protects hate speech, including your guys very very loose definitions of hate speech.

Our loose or the very definition of the term?

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Samiamryan

Our loose or the very definition of the term?

speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people

Saying what Matt Joyce said to a fan he didn't know is "hate speech" is kind of a stretch

pgisback · 08-13-2017, 09:49 PM

And the topic is getting derailed. I don't approve of derogatory insults by players, I'm just saying professional sports leagues are allowed to punish players for their words/actions.

Samiamryan · 08-13-2017, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Exactly. These free speech guys would go crazy if it wasn't free speech that they agree with, haha. I'm not the guy who owns a MAGA hat but I can't even imagine the outcry that would happen if some dude was rocking a MAGA hat on the sideline. Haha

BTW, to totally destroy this argument, I'm a die hard Broncos fan..... DEFENDING AN OAKLAND RAIDER'S ACTIONS.....

Let that sink in for a minute for your factless broad generalization....

TWard · 08-13-2017, 10:37 PM

I can't believe this thread is still standing.

TheFrenzy · 08-13-2017, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TWard

I can't believe this thread is still standing.

BO mods are better defenders of free speech than we are.

chris43 · 08-13-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I won't be writing an essay because my belief is you just don't not stand for the National Anthem. It's as simple as that.

If I was an owner and a player declined to stand he would be out on his ass the very next day no matter how much it costs me.

Edited to add- It is not patriotic to stand for the Anthem. It is a duty.

Bingo! That's what they need to start doing! They have every right to protest. The fans have every right to choose to protest by not watching/cheering for that team. The same as the owner has the right to cut their A$$!

bkz81 · 08-13-2017, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Why are you taking this out on the NFL?

Are you allowed to protest at your place of employement during work hours?

phreak9 · 08-13-2017, 11:27 PM

I think some people see Kaep and Lynchs antics as pouting or childish and others see it as a big revolutionary step. many others are 'meh' on the whole ordeal

TheFrenzy · 08-13-2017, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bkz81

Are you allowed to protest st your place of employement during work hours?

I've never worked for a company or institution that required participation in the national anthem.

majestik101 · 08-13-2017, 11:35 PM

I appreciate threads like this. I've added 4 members to my ignore list because of it.

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phreak9 Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,236	I think some people see Kaep and Lynchs antics as pouting or childish and others see it as a big revolutionary step. many others are 'meh' on the whole ordeal __________________ So many cants

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trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,173 stunner316	TIL it's the same to use racist and homophobic slurs as it is to silently protest.

08-13-2017, 09:31 PM	#113
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Can we at least agree that getting angry over the sight of someone sitting is the epitome of a "snowflake"? I'm not personally a fan of the term, but since it is a common internet term at this point and its definition is fairly well-established - are those who are offended willing to accept the label? Or does it only apply to the "other" side? Or does it apply to no one?

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pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	And the topic is getting derailed. I don't approve of derogatory insults by players, I'm just saying professional sports leagues are allowed to punish players for their words/actions.

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TWard Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Memphis Posts: 9,780 tylersportsguy	I can't believe this thread is still standing.