Question about leaving a negative

ShellShock · 06-01-2017, 10:07 PM

If a member claims in a thread that they want to purchase something and then never responds to you is that neg worthy?

Thanks for any input

shrevecity · 06-01-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellShock

If a member claims in a thread that they want to purchase something and then never responds to you is that neg worthy?

Thanks for any input

Depends on the time frame. If a few hours from the time they posted until you responded then I would say possibly, but if it was a few days then I don't believe they should be tied to it. There are still other details that could change everything in these cases.

Branesergen · 06-02-2017, 12:09 AM

I don't know when you actually PMd him but if it's the Luck guy I'd give it thru morning at least. From the posts it was 12 hours before you responded to him, again I don't know when you actually PMd him, and tho it shows he logged in right after that it could have been quickly and before bed maybe? I believe the log in info about 50% of the time so he may not have gotten it yet. I'd wait til morning if it was me and it was in fact 12 hours between claim and pm.

Surely you're not taking 12 hours to respond and not giving the same consideration.

crazy4kinsler · 06-02-2017, 07:56 AM

Most people will say a deal isn't in place until PayPal info is exchanged. So this scenario wouldn't constitute a neg. It's hard for me to leave a neg short of being scammed, although
I might have to leave a neutral soon.

I paid for a card 2 weeks ago today. Seller has had zero communication, I have yet to get s tracking number despite a couple PMs requesting one and haven't seen the card. I've opened a case with PayPal, and if I get my money back, I'll prolly leave a neutral.

chezball · 06-02-2017, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellShock

If a member claims in a thread that they want to purchase something and then never responds to you is that neg worthy?

Thanks for any input

Did he ask for you pp addy, if no then no neg.

chezball · 06-02-2017, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

Most people will say a deal isn't in place until PayPal info is exchanged. So this scenario wouldn't constitute a neg. It's hard for me to leave a neg short of being scammed, although
I might have to leave a neutral soon.

I paid for a card 2 weeks ago today. Seller has had zero communication, I have yet to get s tracking number despite a couple PMs requesting one and haven't seen the card. I've opened a case with PayPal, and if I get my money back, I'll prolly leave a neutral.

Seriously a Neutral. That's a neg bomb all day, every day and twice on Sunday.
I suggest you drop the neg now!!!!

no10pin · 06-02-2017, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

Most people will say a deal isn't in place until PayPal info is exchanged. So this scenario wouldn't constitute a neg. It's hard for me to leave a neg short of being scammed, although
I might have to leave a neutral soon.

I paid for a card 2 weeks ago today. Seller has had zero communication, I have yet to get s tracking number despite a couple PMs requesting one and haven't seen the card. I've opened a case with PayPal, and if I get my money back, I'll prolly leave a neutral.

What would it take for you to leave a neg then?

crazy4kinsler · 06-02-2017, 09:23 AM

I have never dropped a neg of any kind of this site nor others I use to trade/sell/buy. So it takes a lot for me to neg.

If the guy was to scam me, then I would. But I'm not out anything other than a few days (if I get my money back that is). All I'm going to be out is a couple of weeks. No money, no card, nothing. I'm only out time.

Plus, he's new here (only 5 Itrader thus far). He might be a slow shipping, bad at communication whatever. So I want to give him the benefit of the doubt too.

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Originally Posted by chezball

Seriously a Neutral. That's a neg bomb all day, every day and twice on Sunday.
I suggest you drop the neg now!!!!

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Originally Posted by no10pin

What would it take for you to leave a neg then?

Boo · 06-02-2017, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I have never dropped a neg of any kind of this site nor others I use to trade/sell/buy. So it takes a lot for me to neg.

If the guy was to scam me, then I would. But I'm not out anything other than a few days (if I get my money back that is). All I'm going to be out is a couple of weeks. No money, no card, nothing. I'm only out time.

Plus, he's new here (only 5 Itrader thus far). He might be a slow shipping, bad at communication whatever. So I want to give him the benefit of the doubt too.

no10pin · 06-02-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I have never dropped a neg of any kind of this site nor others I use to trade/sell/buy. So it takes a lot for me to neg.

If the guy was to scam me, then I would. But I'm not out anything other than a few days (if I get my money back that is). All I'm going to be out is a couple of weeks. No money, no card, nothing. I'm only out time.

Plus, he's new here (only 5 Itrader thus far). He might be a slow shipping, bad at communication whatever. So I want to give him the benefit of the doubt too.

You sent him money, he sent you nothing and ignored your messages. I'm not sure what level there is beyond that. If he took the address from your payment and robbed your house, would you leave a more strongly worded neutral?

chezball · 06-02-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I have never dropped a neg of any kind of this site nor others I use to trade/sell/buy. So it takes a lot for me to neg.

If the guy was to scam me, then I would. But I'm not out anything other than a few days (if I get my money back that is). All I'm going to be out is a couple of weeks. No money, no card, nothing. I'm only out time.

Plus, he's new here (only 5 Itrader thus far). He might be a slow shipping, bad at communication whatever. So I want to give him the benefit of the doubt too.

Benefit of the doubt ends after seven days. Because of your lack of leaving an neg someone else might have to deal with this person. It all could be avoided if you do the right thing. Hope houdini sees this and gives you a nice vacation.

crazy4kinsler · 06-02-2017, 09:37 AM

I would most likely call the cops if he were to rob my house. Anyway, I know I sent him money. But if it gets refunded, I'm only out time. I'm not out money.

Also, he responded to 3rd PM asking about a tracking number. He said he didn't know where it was but would see if he could find it. I guess I'm holding out hope on that.

Sorry OP, I had no idea my one statement was going to derail your thread.

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Originally Posted by no10pin

You sent him money, he sent you nothing and ignored your messages. I'm not sure what level there is beyond that. If he took the address from your payment and robbed your house, would you leave a more strongly worded neutral?

no10pin · 06-02-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I would most likely call the cops if he were to rob my house. Anyway, I know I sent him money. But if it gets refunded, I'm only out time. I'm not out money.

Also, he responded to 3rd PM asking about a tracking number. He said he didn't know where it was but would see if he could find it. I guess I'm holding out hope on that.

Sorry OP, I had no idea my one statement was going to derail your thread.

If you get your money back, it's going to be because Paypal forces it. The feedback you leave should be based on HIS actions, which to this point is still taking your money and sending nothing.

hche · 06-02-2017, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I paid for a card 2 weeks ago today. Seller has had zero communication, I have yet to get s tracking number despite a couple PMs requesting one and haven't seen the card. I've opened a case with PayPal, and if I get my money back, I'll prolly leave a neutral.

The forum feedback guide said:
A negative feedback should only be used when truly warranted. Scammers should always receive a negative feedback.

If you trade and they do not ship their end, leave a negative.
If you purchase and they do not ship, leave a negative.
If you both finalize a deal and the other party then backs out, leave a negative.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...-negative.html

Your situation is a classic example that warrants a negative feedback. It is still your decision but almost all of us will agree a negative is warranted.

OP, unless paypal info was exchanges, the deal is not in place yet.

no10pin · 06-02-2017, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hche

OP, unless paypal info was exchanges, the deal is not in place yet.

That's an interesting area for me, because if I'm selling something, my first response to someone who says 'I will take X' is to send them a PM with my Paypal info. Does that action constitute exchanging info, or if he just ignores my PM, did we not have a deal?

hche · 06-02-2017, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

That's an interesting area for me, because if I'm selling something, my first response to someone who says 'I will take X' is to send them a PM with my Paypal info. Does that action constitute exchanging info, or if he just ignores my PM, did we not have a deal?

If he said I will take it and you send paypal info, it is constitute as you accepting his offer to buy. The deal is in place. I think most will agree.

shrevecity · 06-02-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hche

If he said I will take it and you send paypal info, it is constitute as you accepting his offer to buy. The deal is in place. I think most will agree.

I would agree, now if you send the paypal info, but you add some type of caveat to the payment then that enters a new point that needs to be agreed on first. Either with acknowledgement or payment.

Also could be a time frame issue, if say I have a sale and you post you will take it in thread, but I am working on a deal through PM with another member then that deal never materializes after say 24 hours. I think just sending the info at that time would not constitute a deal due to time that has lapsed.

hche · 06-02-2017, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shrevecity

I would agree, now if you send the paypal info, but you add some type of caveat to the payment then that enters a new point that needs to be agreed on first. Either with acknowledgement or payment.

Also could be a time frame issue, if say I have a sale and you post you will take it in thread, but I am working on a deal through PM with another member then that deal never materializes after say 24 hours. I think just sending the info at that time would not constitute a deal due to time that has lapsed.

True true. Forgot about the time part.

JCC · 06-04-2017, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

I would most likely call the cops if he were to rob my house. Anyway, I know I sent him money. But if it gets refunded, I'm only out time. I'm not out money.

Also, he responded to 3rd PM asking about a tracking number. He said he didn't know where it was but would see if he could find it. I guess I'm holding out hope on that.

Sorry OP, I had no idea my one statement was going to derail your thread.

This makes zero sense. If he doesn't send the card, he is trying to scam you. Just because PayPal intervenes and forces a refund, the guy is still a scammer. Your refusal to leave a negative, due to a skewed definition of how feedback should be applied, could directly lead to others being scammed in the same way and having their money tied up, or worse. What if next time it's a trade, not a PayPal deal? Someone loses their card, and you could have prevented this by leaving appropriate feedback, but refuse to do so. Thanks...

Clarka3 · 06-04-2017, 11:16 AM

OP i'm in the minority that this should be a neg if it's a rock solid "I will take X card at Y price listed", but that's just because I consider that just as good as exchanging PP info on the buyer's end.

but most people think that until you send the pp info that it's not a deal, so idk. maybe this is worth a neutral?

BGT Masters · 06-04-2017, 12:08 PM

If someone posts they'll take the card and you replied with your paypal information and they ignore you its a negative.

JCC · 06-04-2017, 12:52 PM

Agreed, but as others have said, an "I will take it" statement has an expiration date. If the seller doesn't respond in an appropriate amount of time with PayPal info, the buyer has the right to move on with his/her money.

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

If someone posts they'll take the card and you replied with your paypal information and they ignore you its a negative.

Clarka3 · 06-04-2017, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JCC

Agreed, but as others have said, an "I will take it" statement has an expiration date. If the seller doesn't respond in an appropriate amount of time with PayPal info, the buyer has the right to move on with his/her money.

i guess that doesn't go without saying, there's an expiry date on verbal agreements here.

griffan15 · 06-04-2017, 03:58 PM

The "I will take it" claim in a thread means nothing because the seller can change his mind with zero recourse. Time frame means nothing at all. There's no expiration date to consider either.

Only if the seller sends their paypal address(or physical address for a trade) is there a deal in place.

The seller can ignore your original claim and sell it elsewhere or to another member at a later time (for more money too) and it's still okay. The seller can claim you're on their ignore list and so your claim never came through as well. So unless you have a proper exchange, no deal was made and no negative can be left.

JCC · 06-04-2017, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by griffan15

The "I will take it" claim in a thread means nothing because the seller can change his mind with zero recourse. Time frame means nothing at all. There's no expiration date to consider either.

Only if the seller sends their paypal address(or physical address for a trade) is there a deal in place.

The seller can ignore your original claim and sell it elsewhere or to another member at a later time (for more money too) and it's still okay. The seller can claim you're on their ignore list and so your claim never came through as well. So unless you have a proper exchange, no deal was made and no negative can be left.

Yes, that is exactly what I was saying, not sure why there is confusion. Someone posting 'I will take it' does not constitute a deal since the seller could have already sold the item via PM or another means. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

The expiration date I spoke of concerns a buyer saying 'I will take it' and a seller taking several days to send the PayPal info. If a seller does not respond in a timely manner, the buyer should not be held to an offer made days earlier, essentially having their money tied up the entire time while the seller decided what he/she wants to do. In that case, no negative is warranted if the buyer has already moved on with his money.

06-01-2017, 10:07 PM	#1
ShellShock Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,700	Question about leaving a negative If a member claims in a thread that they want to purchase something and then never responds to you is that neg worthy? Thanks for any input

06-02-2017, 12:09 AM	#3
Branesergen Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Montgomery Texas Posts: 6,908 Branesergen	I don't know when you actually PMd him but if it's the Luck guy I'd give it thru morning at least. From the posts it was 12 hours before you responded to him, again I don't know when you actually PMd him, and tho it shows he logged in right after that it could have been quickly and before bed maybe? I believe the log in info about 50% of the time so he may not have gotten it yet. I'd wait til morning if it was me and it was in fact 12 hours between claim and pm. Surely you're not taking 12 hours to respond and not giving the same consideration. Last edited by Branesergen; 06-02-2017 at 12:12 AM.

06-02-2017, 07:56 AM	#4
crazy4kinsler Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 16,600	Most people will say a deal isn't in place until PayPal info is exchanged. So this scenario wouldn't constitute a neg. It's hard for me to leave a neg short of being scammed, although I might have to leave a neutral soon. I paid for a card 2 weeks ago today. Seller has had zero communication, I have yet to get s tracking number despite a couple PMs requesting one and haven't seen the card. I've opened a case with PayPal, and if I get my money back, I'll prolly leave a neutral. __________________ Twitter & Instagram: @et_cardcollectr Just created a new Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=et_cardcollectr

06-04-2017, 11:16 AM	#20
Clarka3 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 17,877 Clarka3 Clarka3	OP i'm in the minority that this should be a neg if it's a rock solid "I will take X card at Y price listed", but that's just because I consider that just as good as exchanging PP info on the buyer's end. but most people think that until you send the pp info that it's not a deal, so idk. maybe this is worth a neutral? __________________ Luke Kuechly Collector pending: w8lifter28 (custom), Don't ask me how much I want to offer. Come with a price in mind. If I don't want it or think it's worth that, I will let you know.

06-04-2017, 12:08 PM	#21
BGT Masters Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellsville, New York Posts: 10,184	If someone posts they'll take the card and you replied with your paypal information and they ignore you its a negative.

06-04-2017, 03:58 PM	#24
griffan15 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 7,540 griffan15	The "I will take it" claim in a thread means nothing because the seller can change his mind with zero recourse. Time frame means nothing at all. There's no expiration date to consider either. Only if the seller sends their paypal address(or physical address for a trade) is there a deal in place. The seller can ignore your original claim and sell it elsewhere or to another member at a later time (for more money too) and it's still okay. The seller can claim you're on their ignore list and so your claim never came through as well. So unless you have a proper exchange, no deal was made and no negative can be left.