Is it ok to give a sketch artist feedback if something looks off?

[Super J]

My hands were itchy after seeing this photoshop. I couldn't resist. So I had to perform a little "plastic surgery" on Luke, Leia, & Han

[BHotz]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

It's the Internet. Criticize who you want, how you want, and be prepared for the fallout.

Remember before the Internet?

I remember (only in my 30s) when kids were taught "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." Today it's the exact opposite.

Anyways like someone said on the first page it all depends on the artist. Some like any feedback and others only want to hear the positive. But yeah generally it's a good idea to tread lightly with public criticism as a sign of respect both for subjective taste and for the artist themselves.

[jadams]

Originally Posted by BHotz

I remember (only in my 30s) when kids were taught "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." Today it's the exact opposite.

Anyways like someone said on the first page it all depends on the artist. Some like any feedback and others only want to hear the positive. But yeah generally it's a good idea to tread lightly with public criticism as a sign of respect both for subjective taste and for the artist themselves.

Art types are pretty sensitive too.

[dd316]

Honestly, if someone told me they had a problem with my work I wouldn't really care. If I felt their argument had merit I'd take it and learn from it. I'm generally my own worst critic, anyway, so I doubt anything said would hurt my feelings. Actually, I did have that experience with the Presidents I drew for the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave set a few years ago. Someone (I think it was here) was making fun of the drawings I did, and I specifically remember one person saying my Reagan looked like an evil robot. I still remember it because I thought it was hilarious, and at the end of the day I'm the one that had my artwork published.

Others are not like me, though, and I think some people need to be aware of that, especially if the person whose art they're complaining about may see the comments.

I wonder where the line is on how much is too much? I complain about movies I hate on social media, so I'm also dumping on someone else's art. I hate Rob Zombie's movies, but I don't know that I'd ever tell him that to his face. If he asked I'd give him an honest explanation. I actually had a wonderful discussion recently with Barbara Crampton about some of her movies. I referred to Chopping Mall as a bad film... as I was purchasing a photo of her from it. I explained why I described it as "bad", but that I appreciated it so much because I could tell they had fun making it, and there was a lot of love put in it. It's one of my favorite horror films. She wasn't offended (at least, I hope not! ), and was super cool. She actually said some people tell her it IS their favorite movie, and she's like, really? I could've spent all day talking to her.

[FAKadar]

Originally Posted by TheLastDude

Frank may have been a bit brusque in his posts, but his message is spot on...and here's the reason why:

Unless you're an artist, you'll never know how much an artist beats him or herself up over every little detail of a piece once it has been completed.

So yes, hearing from people who will proudly declare that they "can't draw a stick figure" why your art isn't "perfect" makes you want to rip your face off and tear it into little pieces of face confetti.

Sketch card collectors are by and large a spoiled lot who have forgotten that once upon a time, sketch cards were just that...pencil sketches.

So when a card isn't a piece of art that they can flip for big bucks, they want to tear it down. Why do you think so many artists move on from sketch cards as quickly as they can? It's just not worth the peanuts you get paid to bust your ass to do the work.

So when do we get to the part where we bash Mike Mignola, Tim Sale, Art Baltazar, and Katie Cook for their work? After all it's not on scale, right?

Ooo brusque! I like that word and it's hardly used. I'm usually blunt and to the point, that's how I roll. You pretty much nailed it in what you said.

In fact, the current trading card gig I'm working on, will be in all pencil! OH NOES!

Have a nice day, I'm off to see GotG vol.2.

[Vargaman]

Eesh, just got to reading all of the comments since last night, was at GotG 2, awesome movie.

I find it funny that a small critique of one detail is seen as "tearing apart" someone's work.

I also was talking in general but gave one specific example, of a card I do not own, for context of a facial feature being skewed from real life. Nothing against this specific artist at all. The thread title wasn't "Look at this POS sketch", nor did I say that when I posted the pic, yeet some people took it that way.

Yes, I am not an artist, because I can't draw that well, but the above photoshop shows how a slight change can make a big difference. That was my whole point.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by dd316

Honestly, if someone told me they had a problem with my work I wouldn't really care. If I felt their argument had merit I'd take it and learn from it. I'm generally my own worst critic, anyway, so I doubt anything said would hurt my feelings. Actually, I did have that experience with the Presidents I drew for the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave set a few years ago. Someone (I think it was here) was making fun of the drawings I did, and I specifically remember one person saying my Reagan looked like an evil robot. I still remember it because I thought it was hilarious, and at the end of the day I'm the one that had my artwork published.

Others are not like me, though, and I think some people need to be aware of that, especially if the person whose art they're complaining about may see the comments.

I wonder where the line is on how much is too much? I complain about movies I hate on social media, so I'm also dumping on someone else's art. I hate Rob Zombie's movies, but I don't know that I'd ever tell him that to his face. If he asked I'd give him an honest explanation. I actually had a wonderful discussion recently with Barbara Crampton about some of her movies. I referred to Chopping Mall as a bad film... as I was purchasing a photo of her from it. I explained why I described it as "bad", but that I appreciated it so much because I could tell they had fun making it, and there was a lot of love put in it. It's one of my favorite horror films. She wasn't offended (at least, I hope not! ), and was super cool. She actually said some people tell her it IS their favorite movie, and she's like, really? I could've spent all day talking to her.

I think Ted's sketch cards have improved significantly over the years.

Is that a compliment, an observation, or am I insulting his early work? Hmmm...

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I think Ted's sketch cards have improved significantly over the years.

Is that a compliment, an observation, or am I insulting his early work? Hmmm...

All of the above

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I think Ted's sketch cards have improved significantly over the years.

Is that a compliment, an observation, or am I insulting his early work? Hmmm...

If I agree am I potentially insulting myself?

Hey, I know some of my cards were stinkers. I do feel I've improved leaps and bounds since my first set. Sometimes I cringe when I look at some early pieces, but they are what they are and I'm proud of everything I've done regardless of what anyone else thinks.

[Spacehindu]

please do not alter my work, it is what it is. I will take the high road and leave it at that.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Spacehindu

please do not alter my work, it is what it is. I will take the high road and leave it at that.

I agree he should not have someone other than the artist alter it, but if he chose to then he should remain silent instead of saying I had Stan Lee fix the nose.

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by Spacehindu

please do not alter my work, it is what it is. I will take the high road and leave it at that.

Plus +1000 to this.

My gripe with sketch cards were always the ones where it was clear the artist put very little effort into the sketches. This is not the case at all with the sketch featured in this thread.

For what ever reason, the OP chose a puzzle sketch card I would have been very happy to have pulled personally.

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Spacehindu

please do not alter my work, it is what it is. I will take the high road and leave it at that.

If you felt that I offended you, I apologize. It's not intentional. I saw people debating without solid material to base on. So, I just tried to provide data/choices... observing public opinion. peace!

So far, one member prefers the alter one. The other two members expressed their feeling that they would be happy with the original. But if they have 2 choices above and pay a few hundreds $, I'm curious which one they would choose.

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by glen87

right or wrong, good or bad, everyone is an art critic. that is what makes art, art.

some like it, some hate it.

"Opinions are just like a-holes, everyone's got one." - Tom Waits

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by Super J

If you felt that I offended you, I apologize. It's not intentional. I saw people debating without solid material to base on. So, I just tried to provide data/choices... observing public opinion. peace!

So far, one member prefers the alter one. The other two members expressed their feeling that they would be happy with the original. But if they have 2 choices above and pay a few hundreds $, I'm curious which one they would choose.

I'll tell you right now, 99.99% would prefer the original. Wow, so let's see some of your original art. Please, so I can tear it down.

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Cujobyte

I'll tell you right now, 99.99% would prefer the original. Wow, so let's see some of your original art. Please, so I can tear it down.

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So far 1 (yourself) like the original. Still waiting for the other 2 members to respond. Btw I'm not an artist, if you don't like me, feel free to tear down the photoshop

[Super J]

Cujobyte, you're missing the point here. Assuming both are original and done by the same artist, selling for the same price, which one would you choose?

[Spacehindu]

yes i am offended. I will be leaving the Facebook star wars card collector group as well as this forum. I don't do this for money, i do this because i love star wars. i don't need negativity of this form in my life.

Originally Posted by Super J

If you felt that I offended you, I apologize. It's not intentional. I saw people debating without solid material to base on. So, I just tried to provide data/choices... observing public opinion. peace!

So far, one member prefers the alter one. The other two members expressed their feeling that they would be happy with the original. But if they have 2 choices above and pay a few hundreds $, I'm curious which one they would choose.

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by Super J

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So far 1 (yourself) like the original. Still waiting for the other 2 members to respond. Btw I'm not an artist, if you don't like me, feel free to tear down the photoshop

You missed my point, and to be honest I'm not surprised by this as it requires thinking.

A good amount of people have tact, and poise, on these boards (although many have quit reading these boards due to the insufferable ramblings as of late), and will not respond to such things. When discussing art, they'll either appreciate it or state nothing, which is really the polite thing to do.

But please, keep on changing and "photoshopping" artist's work, I'm sure they'll love you for that. In fact, I'll tell the comic book artists I work with, about this thread.

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Cujobyte

You missed my point, and to be honest I'm not surprised by this as it requires thinking.

A good amount of people have tact, and poise, on these boards (although many have quit reading these boards due to the insufferable ramblings as of late), and will not respond to such things. When discussing art, they'll either appreciate it or state nothing, which is really the polite thing to do.

But please, keep on changing and "photoshopping" artist's work, I'm sure they'll love you for that. In fact, I'll tell the comic book artists about this very thread that I work with.

Can you provide honest feedback and tell everyone on this forum which one you prefer "assuming both are original, done by the same artist, selling for the same price"?

oh, and if I build a car and someone can make my car more energy efficient, I would like that in a positive way.

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by Super J

Can you provide honest feedback and tell everyone on this forum which one you prefer "assuming both are original, done by the same artist, selling for the same price"?

oh, and if I build a car and someone can make my car more energy efficient, I would like that in a positive way.

Dude, you can't compare your digital alteration to the original ART. The artist couldn't just CTRL+Z and give a brush strokes another try. They created real art and your incessant pushing to get someone to say your's is better makes you come across as an arrogant ass.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Super J

So far, one member prefers the alter one. The other two members expressed their feeling that they would be happy with the original. But if they have 2 choices above and pay a few hundreds $, I'm curious which one they would choose.

There is ONLY the original.

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by dd316

There is ONLY the original.

Exactly. He doesn't realize he's essentially asking if we prefer a brand new Ford Mustang, or a JPEG of one with different rims.

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Faulkenburg

Dude, you can't compare your digital alteration to the original ART. The artist couldn't just CTRL+Z and give a brush strokes another try. They created real art and your incessant pushing to get someone to say your's is better makes you come across as an arrogant ass.

Again, most people are missing the point here. I'm not trying to compare the photoshop with the original. My point IS to capture feedback regarding how people like THE SHAPE OF NOSE! Some people being HONEST and STRAIGHT flat out expressed that they did not like the nose; and some people expressed that they like the original nose.
However, I gave the example of ASSUMING same art done by same artist with same price, to see the HONEST feedback, or some are just being a HYPOCRITE and providing UNHONEST feedback... that's all.

[joudenjouden]

I haven't read through this thread at all but to answer your first question, for pack inserted sketches, no, it is what it is, no need to give feedback. For commissions that's difference and you can tell the artist.


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