Is it ok to give a sketch artist feedback if something looks off?

[6102stuff]

Here's an example of the nose... I offered to pay the artist extra and I specifically asked the artist "if it's possible to make the nose looks more realistic by applying lighting & shadowing over the black lines..." and she DID it! and I LOVE it!

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

Sounds like you know better, maybe you can draw something better than the artist?

I don't understand why you are so against receiving feedback. Most jobs have performance reviews. Big artists have exhibits where art critics write up reviews that get published in large magazines. What in the world is wrong with giving constructive feedback to an artist on their sketch cards?

I wouldn't do it publicly, but I don't see anything wrong with politely telling an artist that there is something "off" in regard to a feature. Just do it discreetly. Just like I do with employees who do great work, but need to improve in a certain area.

[RIP4CASH]

[QUOTE=Vargaman;12249653]

More so the noses, Leia's is very bulbous and Ford's looks like Butthead, but the rest of the face and sketch looks amazing!

is that a compliment!? wtf. you insult the hell out the work and than say its amazing.

this thread is trash! mods better delete it as its going to get ugly!...its a bad look for the hobby, artist, collectors and solves nothing.

[Cavaliercards]

[QUOTE=RIP4CASH;12250100]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

is that a compliment!? wtf. you insult the hell out the work and than say its amazing.

this thread is trash! mods better delete it as its going to get ugly!...its a bad look for the hobby, artist, collectors and solves nothing.

Has not violated the TOS in anyway that I can see.

[jamesr]

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;12250113]

Originally Posted by RIP4CASH

Has not violated the TOS in anyway that I can see.

I think the topic is fine. But given the sensitivity of the subject I don't think posting specific examples is a good idea. (Just my opinion).

[Cavaliercards]

[QUOTE=jamesr;12250167]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

I think the topic is fine. But given the sensitivity of the subject I don't think posting specific examples is a good idea. (Just my opinion).

I think since he had a specific issue he should post it instead of being vague.

If that was a commissioned sketch I understand his concern and think giving feedback is helpful to the next customer.

[FAKadar]

Originally Posted by Faulkenburg

I don't understand why you are so against receiving feedback. Most jobs have performance reviews. Big artists have exhibits where art critics write up reviews that get published in large magazines. What in the world is wrong with giving constructive feedback to an artist on their sketch cards?

I wouldn't do it publicly, but I don't see anything wrong with politely telling an artist that there is something "off" in regard to a feature. Just do it discreetly. Just like I do with employees who do great work, but need to improve in a certain area.

So people tearing apart that artist's 3 piece sketch card in this thread is constructive feedback?

What gives you the right to tear an artist's work apart. Unwarranted feedback is that, unwarranted.

Also the fact doing this publicly, any artist will see this and will not want to to do business with person or people or giving this unwarranted feedback. You're just making yourself look bad.

[jamesr]

Originally Posted by Faulkenburg

I don't understand why you are so against receiving feedback. Most jobs have performance reviews. Big artists have exhibits where art critics write up reviews that get published in large magazines. What in the world is wrong with giving constructive feedback to an artist on their sketch cards?

I wouldn't do it publicly, but I don't see anything wrong with politely telling an artist that there is something "off" in regard to a feature. Just do it discreetly. Just like I do with employees who do great work, but need to improve in a certain area.

Performance reviews at most jobs are given by the manager, not the customer. Most artists are their own "manager", so it's up to them to review their work and, if they wish, solicit feedback.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

So people tearing apart that artist's 3 piece sketch card in this thread is constructive feedback?

What gives you the right to tear an artist's work apart. Unwarranted feedback is that, unwarranted.

Also the fact doing this publicly, any artist will see this and will not want to to do business with person or people or giving this unwarranted feedback. You're just making yourself look bad.

Same right that art critics for centuries have had when they enter a gallery, museum, home, etc.

If an artist can not take feedback or criticism then they might want to find another profession.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by jamesr

Performance reviews at most jobs are given by the manager, not the customer. Most artists are their own "manager", so it's up to them to review their work and, if they wish, solicit feedback.

Art is different hence the term art critic. Why newspapers and magazines for years in major cities had art critics.

[jamesr]

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;12250176]

Originally Posted by jamesr

I think since he had a specific issue he should post it instead of being vague.

If that was a commissioned sketch I understand his concern and think giving feedback is helpful to the next customer.

Privately, yes. This is now public.

[Cavaliercards]

[QUOTE=jamesr;12250198]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Privately, yes. This is now public.

Not at all, no reason to be shy or hide away from criticism in life.

[FAKadar]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Same right that art critics for centuries have had when they enter a gallery, museum, home, etc.

If an artist can not take feedback or criticism then they might want to find another profession.

So you consider yourself an art critic now?

[glen87]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

So you consider yourself an art critic now?

right or wrong, good or bad, everyone is an art critic. that is what makes art, art.

some like it, some hate it.

[jadams]

This is going to be a fun thread.

[FAKadar]

Originally Posted by glen87

right or wrong, good or bad, everyone is an art critic. that is what makes art, art.

some like it, some hate it.

some guys have all the luck, some guys have all the pain.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

So you consider yourself an art critic now?

Yes, as anyone can be one based on their experience and personal opinion.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by glen87

right or wrong, good or bad, everyone is an art critic. that is what makes art, art.

some like it, some hate it.

Bingo, when thousands of people are walking galleries and museums in DC, Paris, Rome, New York, London, St. Petersburg and more many comment on what they like and do not like, as well as admiring the famous pieces.

[6102stuff]

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H edit: Original post:

here's a photoshop fix for the nose & lips... perhaps sending leia back to the artist and ask if it's possible to touch up... AND DON'T FORGET to offer extra payment... it will be a win win

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

So people tearing apart that artist's 3 piece sketch card in this thread is constructive feedback?

What gives you the right to tear an artist's work apart. Unwarranted feedback is that, unwarranted.

Also the fact doing this publicly, any artist will see this and will not want to to do business with person or people or giving this unwarranted feedback. You're just making yourself look bad.

Read my comments again, Frank. I clearly stated to not do it publicly and explicitly stated to use discretion. I don't agree with the Ops decision to post the actual art.

Also, I think you are confusing"unwarranted" and "unsolicited".

[FAKadar]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Bingo, when thousands of people are walking galleries and museums in DC, Paris, Rome, New York, London, St. Petersburg and more many comment on what they like and do not like, as well as admiring the famous pieces.

So this gives anyone the right to tear an artist work apart publicly like some people have here with that Star Wars 3 piece puzzle?

[Wyrm]

I only give feedback on changes when I'm asked for it. Just got done working with an artist who sent me pencils for approval that allowed me to ask for little tweaks. But that's what the artist WANTED. (And I still felt like a PITA when I asked for little tweaks...)

I try not to get in the way of an artist creating her/his art. I will provide an overview of what I would like, with the level of detail the artist requests, then get the heck out of the way. Artists are not mind-readers, so I usually won't get something that is exactly what I had in my head. I will get something that reflects what the artist did with what I gave them. Most of the time, what I get back is much better than what I envisioned (true for both Juan and Frank, who've drawn the same character for me and gave me very different versions of her that are both awesome). Not always, but if you trust the artist to do their thing, you will get good work way more often than not, in my experience.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by FAKadar

So this gives anyone the right to tear an artist work apart publicly like some people have here with that Star Wars 3 piece puzzle?

Yes it does.

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Yes it does.

I disagree. This artist did solid work. They put forth significant effort. Granted, the noses are off but that didn't call for public shaming. The noses aren't even"bad", certainly not worth all this. The original question was if it would have been out of line to mention this to the artist privately. The members on this board crossed that line ages ago.

I still say there is nothing wrong with constructive feedback in a private manner.

Now, when it comes to 30 second crap sketches in a $150 box....go at it, but give the publisher just as much (if not more) flack for it.

[tacoma34]

As a collector, I can see how one little aspect can ruin a piece for you. One time I asked an artist to change a little bit about a sketch I commissioned. I only did it after I had a thought out and well articulated response, so I didn't offend the artist. The member saying to give extra payment as incentive is kinda odd to me. Is that a normal response?

On the other hand, artists that are attempting "photorealism" type portraits are probably prepared for some sort of feedback. Anatomical positions and proportions has gotta be one of the hardest things to get right, but when they do it is really gratifying and evident. And when it is "off", it is glaring.