Westbrook in straight beast mode again...

[LincecumPC]

Just to get off the hate track, for Russ fans would you be opposed to co-MVP with Harden, or would you just rather have an outright winner and runner up? I know most think it is a cop out to have dual winners but if there was any year where I think it should happen, it's this year. When you literally have to split hairs on stats, it should just be shared.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by LincecumPC

What warriors fans are "perfectly fine" with trolling this thread? Just because a warriors fan is not a fan of Russ' game does not necessarily make it a russ vs. steph debate or a russ trolling comment. I think this is why people from baseball/football boards think bball guys are crazy, because of these discussions that are endless and are based on the wrong assumptions.

There are plenty of non-warriors fans who are commenting negatively on Russ yet I feel like they are being lumped in as "warriors fans". For the warriors fans that do post in here about their opinions, that is their opinion. Some on this thread may not know this but you can be a Dubs fan and still have a high respect and regard for Russ' game like myself, and vice versa. I don't think all Russ fans are automatically steph haters.

I get we love our favorite players but reading this thread from time to time I kinda don't blame bball outsiders for thinking we are nuts.

We've had this discussion before so I know where you are coming from and I should've prefaced my comment with why are SOME Warriors fans fine with it like Elee is..he's complaining about how people like to throw more hate on the Warriors and their fans by simply disagreeing about Russ when c'mon ..if he follows this thread entirely he'd know that it's not as simple as "having a different opinion" and that the most obvious trolls on this post happen to be Warriors fans, which is probably why Pittsburgh directed his post at the entire fan base..it's the same exact thing I've seen some Warriors fans do to Cavs when in reality it's a small group of them (which a couple aren't even Cavs fans..they are Lebron fans). I try not to blanket an entire fan base, and I know every Warriors fan doesn't "troll" and like I've said in the past there are valid arguments to be made against Russ' style of play and that's fine..but it's super obvious that some people's main MO is to rile people up..the main ones that do..happen to be Warriors fans and it's super annoying. I know I know..people can post where they want bla bla...but this isn't a "Westbrook is the greatest ever" thread...or "Westbrook rules..KD sucks" thread...this thread was simply a thread made for us who are appreciating what Russ is doing this season. I don't get the reason for people to come on this specific thread to dump on him. Create a Russ' TD's are overrated thread..Russ is overrated etc to vent..why try to ruin other's appreciation of a guy? Isn't that why some of yall get pissed when Cavs fans do that kind of stuff?

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by LincecumPC

Just to get off the hate track, for Russ fans would you be opposed to co-MVP with Harden, or would you just rather have an outright winner and runner up? I know most think it is a cop out to have dual winners but if there was any year where I think it should happen, it's this year. When you literally have to split hairs on stats, it should just be shared.

I wouldn't want a Co-MVP because even as a Russ fan..it would feel kinda cheap..like they just wanna give it to him bc of the triple double..Harden's just as deserving if not more because of his team's record..so if he wins it..he should win it as the sole MVP

[LincecumPC]

Originally Posted by Chris P

We've had this discussion before so I know where you are coming from and I should've prefaced my comment with why are SOME Warriors fans fine with it like Elee is..he's complaining about how people like to throw more hate on the Warriors and their fans by simply disagreeing about Russ when c'mon ..if he follows this thread entirely he'd know that it's not as simple as "having a different opinion" and that the most obvious trolls on this post happen to be Warriors fans, which is probably why Pittsburgh directed his post at the entire fan base..it's the same exact thing I've seen some Warriors fans do to Cavs when in reality it's a small group of them (which a couple aren't even Cavs fans..they are Lebron fans). I try not to blanket an entire fan base, and I know every Warriors fan doesn't "troll" and like I've said in the past there are valid arguments to be made against Russ' style of play and that's fine..but it's super obvious that some people's main MO is to rile people up..the main ones that do..happen to be Warriors fans

He'll probably make fun of me but I text with one known riler upper and tell him to stop putting Warriors fans on an island lol. You may not see it but he is harmless.

Originally Posted by Chris P

I wouldn't want a Co-MVP because even as a Russ fan..it would feel kinda cheap..like they just wanna give it to him bc of the triple double..Harden's just as deserving if not more because of his team's record..so if he wins it..he should win it as the sole MVP

I respect that, but I would disagree that it would be cheap. Acknowledging both as historic seasons is ok (in my opinion) with a famed piece of hardware when it is deserved. I just wouldn't like the fact that some people who can vote on this award will skew the final vote because of a stupid reason i.e. he's nicer to me in the media, or something like that.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by LincecumPC

He'll probably make fun of me but I text with one known riler upper and tell him to stop putting Warriors fans on an island lol. You may not see it but he is harmless.



I respect that, but I would disagree that it would be cheap. Acknowledging both as historic seasons is ok (in my opinion) with a famed piece of hardware when it is deserved. I just wouldn't like the fact that some people who can vote on this award will skew the final vote because of a stupid reason i.e. he's nicer to me in the media, or something like that.

I know who you're talking about lol...and honestly I used to get riled up about him but honestly he's amusing to me now lol..but yeah I'd rather just have a clear cut winner..no debate..but that's me

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Ok....a 16 game improvement over last year, (likely more with several games left) their 1st round pick hasn't touched the floor, Embiid out.....


I don't care if RW played the New Jersey Nets (who really are atrocious) Last night's game was epic. And it's not just about the shooting.

Love the basketball threads-----you guys are crazy!!!!!!!!


EDIT: RW is the first player in NBA history to record a perfect triple double, according to ESPN.

Do you not understand why this is frustrating as a Thunder fan?
Westbrook, already averaging a triple double, gets another of them while taking 75% less shots than he normally does in a big win. Yes, it was the crappy 76ers, but if he can be more disciplined with his shooting, as shown in this game, the team might do a lot better. But it might only be because it was the crappy 76ers...

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Do you not understand why this is frustrating as a Thunder fan?
Westbrook, already averaging a triple double, gets another of them while taking 75% less shots than he normally does in a big win. Yes, it was the crappy 76ers, but if he can be more disciplined with his shooting, as shown in this game, the team might do a lot better. But it might only be because it was the crappy 76ers...

I actually think it was trending this way before that awful warriors game..before that it seemed like Russ was scaling a bit (for his standards)..maybe not 6-10 shots but it wasnt 28-30 either...that Toronto game was pretty solid in 3 quarters work and Toronto's a pretty good team at home. I think his game suffers tremendously against the warriors because obviously of the bad blood which he really needs to let go..but this is russ...you know he won't lol

[21Pittsburgh58]

I'll disagree with ChrisP for once - lol. I definitely think that Harden or Kawhi are worthy of the MVP also and wouldn't discount a co-MVP (especially w/ his history with Harden).

In fact, I actually agree with everyone that says winning is the main priority. I agree. HOWEVER, people that are demeaning Russ' and OKC's season because they are not the #1 (or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) seed. That's straight bullsh!t. He is having a historic season but it's being treated like everyone else in the NBA can do it because of how much he has the ball. Again, bullsh!t! There's a crap ton of reasons why it hasn't been done since '61-62. There's only a handful of guys who could have done it: MJ, LeBron, Harden (I'm sure I missed another player or two). Is he averaging the TD because of his team? Yes, he is. He has to be the main man every night, way more than MJ (Scottie) or LeBron (Kyrie, Love, Wade, Bosh) ever did. Harden's team is definitely not loaded, so what he is doing is phenomenal and if it wasn't for Russ, he would easily be the top dog with Kawhi 2nd. But the fact is, Russ is having that kind of season - historic! If you don't agree, fine. If he doesn't win MVP, fine. If OKC doesn't win the championship, fine. This season will be remembered just as much as Curry's from last season. Just as Curry and GS fans wonder why their team is hated, I wonder why Russ is hated.

As far as my previous post, I NEVER mentioned other GS fans. I typed 'As for that giant GS d-bag creampuff fan', it was singular, not plural.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

I'll disagree with ChrisP for once - lol. I definitely think that Harden or Kawhi are worthy of the MVP also and wouldn't discount a co-MVP (especially w/ his history with Harden).

In fact, I actually agree with everyone that says winning is the main priority. I agree. HOWEVER, people that are demeaning Russ' and OKC's season because they are not the #1 (or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) seed. That's straight bullsh!t. He is having a historic season but it's being treated like everyone else in the NBA can do it because of how much he has the ball. Again, bullsh!t! There's a crap ton of reasons why it hasn't been done since '61-62. There's only a handful of guys who could have done it: MJ, LeBron, Harden (I'm sure I missed another player or two). Is he averaging the TD because of his team? Yes, he is. He has to be the main man every night, way more than MJ (Scottie) or LeBron (Kyrie, Love, Wade, Bosh) ever did. Harden's team is definitely not loaded, so what he is doing is phenomenal and if it wasn't for Russ, he would easily be the top dog with Kawhi 2nd. But the fact is, Russ is having that kind of season - historic! If you don't agree, fine. If he doesn't win MVP, fine. If OKC doesn't win the championship, fine. This season will be remembered just as much as Curry's from last season. Just as Curry and GS fans wonder why their team is hated, I wonder why Russ is hated.

As far as my previous post, I NEVER mentioned other GS fans. I typed 'As for that giant GS d-bag creampuff fan', it was singular, not plural.

Maybe cheapen was the wrong word..i could just see his critics using a co MVP against him..so I'd prefer either he win it alone or they give to harden..either way I'd be ok and if co MVP happened I wouldn't be upset...but my preference would be solo

[exitmusicblue]

"Kids, in trivia, 40 years ago today a guy by the name of Russ Westbrook did something even Steph Curry couldn't do... he got a perfect triple double."

"Cool! Did he win some championships, maybe an MVP?"

"No"

"Was he an awesome shooter or passer?'

"No"

"Oh well, that's neat!"

[exitmusicblue]

I see Harden winning it. That said, Russ has got a lot of heart, and I mean that. If Russ wins, may his fans rejoice.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

I see Harden winning it. That said, Russ has got a lot of heart, and I mean that. If Russ wins, may his fans rejoice.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by LincecumPC

Just to get off the hate track, for Russ fans would you be opposed to co-MVP with Harden, or would you just rather have an outright winner and runner up? I know most think it is a cop out to have dual winners but if there was any year where I think it should happen, it's this year. When you literally have to split hairs on stats, it should just be shared.

I wouldn't mind it being shared but because it is voted on by a bunch of writers and broadcasters, it would nearly be impossible for there to be an absolute tie unless there was collusion.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

"Kids, in trivia, 40 years ago today a guy by the name of Russ Westbrook did something even Steph Curry couldn't do... he got a perfect triple double."

"Cool! Did he win some championships, maybe an MVP?"

"No"

"Was he an awesome shooter or passer?'

"No"

"Oh well, that's neat!"

"Kids, in trivia, 40 years ago today, a guy by the name of Stephen Curry led his team to 73 wins, the most in NBA history, while having a historic season of which Russell Westbrook couldn't match."

"Cool! Did he win the championship that year because he was the UNANIMOUS MVP?"

"No, they got bounced in 7 by the LeBron & Kyrie led Cleveland Cavaliers when Kyrie hit the game winner over Curry?"

"Was he anything but a sweet 3 point shooter? Was he known for anything else?"

"Nope"

"Oh, I guess winning in the regular season don't mean sh!t"

"But he does have a ring" (maybe multiple)

"Oh, but wasn't he on a loaded team already and then Kevin Durant puss!ed out of OKC and went to them in order to make it easier to get a ring?" (maybe multiple)

"Yep, but truth be told, KD became the team leader and Curry would take a back seat. KD would have to soothe Curry's ego periodically and make sure his heart was still in it. He is still considered a legendary shooter though."

"Oh, that's neat, I guess just being the best shooter makes you worthy to be remembered forever. But that doesn't make a lot of sense. Ooooh, it's the rest of the team that helped Curry win championships? Curry didn't do it on his own? There were 4 other players on the court, two of them being fellow All-Stars and a deep bench? That must have been great work by the GM and coach. GS drafted well, signed solid free agents and then got a top 3 player in the NBA during the next free agency? Well, that certainly sounds like Curry was the sole reason for winning like they did. Did they blame Curry for losing the championship that year?"

"No, Golden State fans (plural this time) blamed the NBA for that dipsh!t Draymond Green's suspension for Game 5. Remember kids, this was the 'man' who kicked multiple players directly in the ding-ding. Curry was just a little too short to get to Kyrie Irving's AWESOME game-winning shot that sealed the deal for the Cavs. OKC (with Durant) couldn't get it done, but the Cavs did. It was AWESOME!"

"Well, the ding-ding thing doesn't sound very nice."

"Kids, the world isn't very nice. Just look at the treatment that Russell Westbrook received on the BO forum during his triple double season. The man accomplished something not done in 50+ years, but the nay sayers demeaned him as a ball-hogging, turnover machine."

"Well, that's just stupid. Russ sounds like Superman with his all-around athleticism and heart. Curry sounds like Supergirl with a sweet jumper."

"Amen kids, amen."

[Orangejello727]

Why are you so fixated on Curry? I thought this was about Westbrook?

2 things matter. Rings on fingers and banners in the rafters. Everything else comes after.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

"Kids, in trivia, 40 years ago today a guy by the name of Russ Westbrook did something even Steph Curry couldn't do... he got a perfect triple double."

"Who is Steph Curry?"

[xavieronly1]

I think this is the odds at the beginning of the season. OKC is going to beat the number. Houston already did. So, one can say that Harden is the MVP by helping the team to win more games than the expectation.

Golden State Warriors 66.5
San Antonio Spurs 58.5
Cleveland Cavaliers 56.5
Los Angeles Clippers 53.5
Boston Celtics 52.5
Toronto Raptors 50.5
Utah Jazz 49
Portland Trail Blazers 45.5
Detroit Pistons 44.5
Indiana Pacers 44.5
Houston Rockets 44
Oklahoma City Thunder 43.5
Atlanta Hawks 43.5
Memphis Grizzlies 42.5
Charlotte Hornets 42.5
Washington Wizards 42.5
Minnesota Timberwolves 40.5
Dallas Mavericks 38.5
New York Knicks 38.5
Chicago Bulls 38.5
Orlando Magic 37.5
New Orleans Pelicans 37
Denver Nuggets 37
Milwaukee Bucks 34.5
Miami Heat 34.5
Sacramento Kings 34
Phoenix Suns 30
Philadelphia 76ers 24.5
Los Angeles Lakers 24.5
Brooklyn Nets 20.5

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Why are you so fixated on Curry? I thought this was about Westbrook?

2 things matter. Rings on fingers and banners in the rafters. Everything else comes after.

Because exitmusicblue used Westbrook/Curry in one of his 'scenarios', so I followed along. Isn't Curry the golden boy and used nowadays for comparisons? Especially since they play the same position.

So players like Malone, Stockton, 'Nique, Iverson, Gervin, Maravich, Reggie Miller, Ewing, Elgin Baylor who never won a ring and are still considered some of the all-time bests are simply folk lore?

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

Because exitmusicblue used Westbrook/Curry in one of his 'scenarios', so I followed along. Isn't Curry the golden boy and used nowadays for comparisons? Especially since they play the same position.

So players like Malone, Stockton, 'Nique, Iverson, Gervin, Maravich, Reggie Miller, Ewing, Elgin Baylor who never won a ring and are still considered some of the all-time bests are simply folk lore?

Thats a great list of players you got there. Some of the best through the NBA during their time.

How about Michael Jordan, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwan, Bill Russell, Wilt, Lebron James, Shaquille Oneal. What about them? We usually include the guys I got on my list in the top tier of the greatest of all time more so than your list. What does the list I made have that the list you made doesnt that gives these guys a leg up in the GOAT list? It cant be stats by themselves. Because Malone is right up there in total pts. Stockton is up there for ast. You tell me?

[21Pittsburgh58]

I already agreed in a previous post that winning is the most important thing. But you keep harping on winning being the ONLY thing that matters. That is completely wrong!

Legacy is AIDED by championships, not the determining factor when measuring a players greatness. You keep bragging on championships when MOST NBA fans only discuss stats and individuals. Do you give a crap that the Cavs won last year? Do you give a crap that the Warriors won the year before? Do you give a crap that the Spurs won in '13-14? The guys I mentioned aren't forgotten because they never won a championship, and the guys you mentioned aren't remembered SOLELY because they won championships which is what you are implying. If anything, as the years go by, the title winning team is the first thing FORGOTTEN by fans of other teams and that is across all sports. But historic individual player years are remembered by even the most casual of fans.

Your relying on championships as the determining factor in a players greatness is short-sighted and outright disingenuous.

Who the hell is your team anyway since you don't make any mention of one. Do you do that because you're a bandwagon fan and support whomever has the best record with the best chance to win because that's all that matters? You're a troll and a wannabe know-it-all.

Congratulations, you win. If your trolling was meant to detract from discussing Russ' great season, then you have done your job. After all, you negative freakin' Nancies have demolished a thread that is meant to support one of our favorite players. Go be d-bags somewhere else. Your pathetic follow up comment of 'this is a free forum and we can post what/where we like', is expected. It may not be verbatim, but it's coming. Prove to all of us Russell Westbrook fans that you can refrain from negative comments in this thread. Your simpleton reply of 'I don't need to prove anything to you', is expected also. Looking at you orangejello, tennelson, exitmusicblue, hairyangryfella. Can you do it?

I'll do you one better: I'll never post in this thread again if you all can stop with the negative comments. Deal?

[xavieronly1]

Westbrook vs Curry -> ring matters

Kobe vs MJ -> ring is a team thing.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

I already agreed in a previous post that winning is the most important thing. But you keep harping on winning being the ONLY thing that matters. That is completely wrong!

Legacy is AIDED by championships, not the determining factor when measuring a players greatness. You keep bragging on championships when MOST NBA fans only discuss stats and individuals. Do you give a crap that the Cavs won last year? Do you give a crap that the Warriors won the year before? Do you give a crap that the Spurs won in '13-14? The guys I mentioned aren't forgotten because they never won a championship, and the guys you mentioned aren't remembered SOLELY because they won championships which is what you are implying. If anything, as the years go by, the title winning team is the first thing FORGOTTEN by fans of other teams and that is across all sports. But historic individual player years are remembered by even the most casual of fans.

Your relying on championships as the determining factor in a players greatness is short-sighted and outright disingenuous.



Who the hell is your team anyway since you don't make any mention of one. Do you do that because you're a bandwagon fan and support whomever has the best record with the best chance to win because that's all that matters? You're a troll and a wannabe know-it-all.

Congratulations, you win. If your trolling was meant to detract from discussing Russ' great season, then you have done your job. After all, you negative freakin' Nancies have demolished a thread that is meant to support one of our favorite players. Go be d-bags somewhere else. Your pathetic follow up comment of 'this is a free forum and we can post what/where we like', is expected. It may not be verbatim, but it's coming. Prove to all of us Russell Westbrook fans that you can refrain from negative comments in this thread. Your simpleton reply of 'I don't need to prove anything to you', is expected also. Looking at you orangejello, tennelson, exitmusicblue, hairyangryfella. Can you do it?

I'll do you one better: I'll never post in this thread again if you all can stop with the negative comments. Deal?

Don't let em win man...most of them that do it are for this kind of reaction...not all..but most..they love seeing us getting riled up..why? Who knows? But they do...at the end of the day I just say let em hate all they want...not gonna stop me from being Russ fan

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

I already agreed in a previous post that winning is the most important thing. But you keep harping on winning being the ONLY thing that matters. That is completely wrong!

Legacy is AIDED by championships, not the determining factor when measuring a players greatness. You keep bragging on championships when MOST NBA fans only discuss stats and individuals. Do you give a crap that the Cavs won last year? Do you give a crap that the Warriors won the year before? Do you give a crap that the Spurs won in '13-14? The guys I mentioned aren't forgotten because they never won a championship, and the guys you mentioned aren't remembered SOLELY because they won championships which is what you are implying. If anything, as the years go by, the title winning team is the first thing FORGOTTEN by fans of other teams and that is across all sports. But historic individual player years are remembered by even the most casual of fans.

Your relying on championships as the determining factor in a players greatness is short-sighted and outright disingenuous.

Who the hell is your team anyway since you don't make any mention of one. Do you do that because you're a bandwagon fan and support whomever has the best record with the best chance to win because that's all that matters? You're a troll and a wannabe know-it-all.

Congratulations, you win. If your trolling was meant to detract from discussing Russ' great season, then you have done your job. After all, you negative freakin' Nancies have demolished a thread that is meant to support one of our favorite players. Go be d-bags somewhere else. Your pathetic follow up comment of 'this is a free forum and we can post what/where we like', is expected. It may not be verbatim, but it's coming. Prove to all of us Russell Westbrook fans that you can refrain from negative comments in this thread. Your simpleton reply of 'I don't need to prove anything to you', is expected also. Looking at you orangejello, tennelson, exitmusicblue, hairyangryfella. Can you do it?

I'll do you one better: I'll never post in this thread again if you all can stop with the negative comments. Deal?

I havent said a negative thing about RW. All I said was winning matters and coming in 1st place is the end goal. If a triple double average does NOT get you to 1st place or wins you anything then how much value is there in it? Certainly not most valuable player valuable. I can show you in the past 4 pages where you and Chris P have done nothing but put down the Warriors and Curry / Durant to prop RW. Show me where Ive done that to put RW down?

That is not the same as putting down RW and his triple double average season as a bad thing. I dont speak for anyone but myself and I havent done that. I think its great. Just not championship great. Not MVP great and defintately not better than 5th place great.

It would be killer if his 3D average had his team in 1st place. That would be MVP worthy

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I havent said a negative thing about RW. All I said was winning matters and coming in 1st place is the end goal. If a triple double average does NOT get you to 1st place or wins you anything then how much value is there in it? Certainly not most valuable player valuable. I can show you in the past 4 pages where you and Chris P have done nothing but put down the Warriors and Curry / Durant to prop RW. Show me where Ive done that to put RW down?

That is not the same as putting down RW and his triple double average season as a bad thing. I dont speak for anyone but myself and I havent done that. I think its great. Just not championship great. Not MVP great and defintately not better than 5th place great.

It would be killer if his 3D average had his team in 1st place. That would be MVP worthy

What is your question? Show you where you've put down the Warriors/KDSC to put down WB?

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I havent said a negative thing about RW. All I said was winning matters and coming in 1st place is the end goal. If a triple double average does NOT get you to 1st place or wins you anything then how much value is there in it? Certainly not most valuable player valuable. I can show you in the past 4 pages where you and Chris P have done nothing but put down the Warriors and Curry / Durant to prop RW. Show me where Ive done that to put RW down?

That is not the same as putting down RW and his triple double average season as a bad thing. I dont speak for anyone but myself and I havent done that. I think its great. Just not championship great. Not MVP great and defintately not better than 5th place great.

It would be killer if his 3D average had his team in 1st place. That would be MVP worthy

who is your MVP this year?

YOu cant say Kawhi and you cant say Harden cuz there are dozens and dozens of posts where you say coming in 1st is all that matters and the MVP must be from that team....

so you are either going with Durant who is likely to miss roughly 20 games depending on when he comes back before the playoffs start if at all

or you are going with Steph Curry who is down a bunch all over the stat sheet....having his worst shooting year of career(by quite a bit) and also while scoring over 5pts less per game has seen his assists drop to the lowest in 5yrs...

so you are gonna vote for one of those two options over 3 guys who are CLEARLY having more valuable seasons to their teams....good job...

this is where you say "getting to 1st place is all that matters so yea...curry"...and its just dumb...how much easier is it for them to get to 1st place...hello!!! OKC was thought by many to not make the playoffs this year....HOU was thought to maybe hang on for an 8 seed or so....both those guys have been lightyears more valuable than any single GSW player..

take them off their teams and they are top 5 pick lottery teams....take durant off GSW like we have seen and they are still winning...7-4 in the 11 gms he missed so far...winning the last 5...