PANINI to make announcement about 15-16 REPLAY

[jj2]

Hopefully they do the right thing.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by nera20

so everyone has to go to their trash and find all the wrappers they threw away which are probably already gone what a joke

Do people not get receipts anymore?

[Steveefranchise]

I certainly hope so. It honestly doesn't even need to be a traditional receipt like you'd get from Starbucks. Anything that establishes proof of purchase would be legally sufficient. Invoice, billing statement, just about anything short of a screenshot of your back account flies.

Originally Posted by jj2

Do people not get receipts anymore?

[drsma1]

Originally Posted by SHowley2003

After seeing this I was curious as this product made no sense to me from day one. I decided to search a break. This is the first one that came up and I watched it. I'm assuming this is reflective of the product. This case is a joke. I'm shocked they actually released this stuff. I'm speechless... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgNDhB4lxc

I dont get it....most of the cards look like auto's already, that they've just hand numbered?

[jbrandonw]

Originally Posted by drsma1

I dont get it....most of the cards look like auto's already, that they've just hand numbered?

Exactly. Some cards are already stamped with serial numbers, and they just wrote a different serial number on it. I mean wtf were they thinking?

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

Exactly. Some cards are already stamped with serial numbers, and they just wrote a different serial number on it. I mean wtf were they thinking?

I barely buy anything new these days, but it appears the hits and buybacks are merely unreleased cards from previous issues. Cards that were received late by Panani or were pulled from wax distribution for whatever unknown reason. This might also explain why I *think* everything is on card. It wasn't a sticker dump....but a sneaky chance to get rid of absolute garbage, and charge $100 a card to do it. THAT is the definition of sneaky.

Hence why a junk Robin Lopez card can be in here serial numbered to /99, and the hand then with an ugly hand written, matching serial number say 88/99.

So many of the hits are complete head scratchers....like Doran Lamb and Shelvin Mack. It makes no sense to "buyback" these commons, get them autographed then stamped and hand numbered. Oh and to slab each one of these ugly coated turds. But they did. It's nothing more than a complete warehouse cleaning inventory dump.

It's Topps Signatures for Panini, only Panini was stupid enough to stamp these as to pretend this "added value". Sadly, a Sheldon Mack on card auto to /149 has no more value than a Greg Oden autographed to /1499 on a sticker.

[SteveO21]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

I barely buy anything new these days, but it appears the hits and buybacks are merely unreleased cards from previous issues. Cards that were received late by Panani or were pulled from wax distribution for whatever unknown reason. This might also explain why I *think* everything is on card. It wasn't a sticker dump....but a sneaky chance to get rid of absolute garbage, and charge $100 a card to do it. THAT is the definition of sneaky.

Hence why a junk Robin Lopez card can be in here serial numbered to /99, and the hand then with an ugly hand written, matching serial number say 88/99.

So many of the hits are complete head scratchers....like Doran Lamb and Shelvin Mack. It makes no sense to "buyback" these commons, get them autographed then stamped and hand numbered. Oh and to slab each one of these ugly coated turds. But they did. It's nothing more than a complete warehouse cleaning inventory dump.

It's Topps Signatures for Panini, only Panini was stupid enough to stamp these as to pretend this "added value". Sadly, a Sheldon Mack on card auto to /149 has no more value than a Greg Oden autographed to /1499 on a sticker.

The Oden is worth more.

[chris_ac]

Originally Posted by jj2

Hopefully they do the right thing.

Eastwood Ravine. RIP Clint.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by SHowley2003

After seeing this I was curious as this product made no sense to me from day one. I decided to search a break. This is the first one that came up and I watched it. I'm assuming this is reflective of the product. This case is a joke. I'm shocked they actually released this stuff. I'm speechless... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgNDhB4lxc

That was a much better break than all the others I watched lol

[AlabamaSlamma]

Originally Posted by drsma1

I dont get it....most of the cards look like auto's already, that they've just hand numbered?

I get it, but I'm still trying to "get it." Moral of the story at this point is stay the hell away.

I really don't take any issue with the concept. If you want to dump inventory, fine, but don't blatantly gouge your customers like this. A 3 card "box" of the product should be 50 bucks MAX, and even that still seems too high.

Very interested to see how Panini addresses everything in the coming days.

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by drsma1

I dont get it....most of the cards look like auto's already, that they've just hand numbered?

It was just a last minute thrown together money grab that's blown up in their face. I don't think there is much to get.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by COMCMax

It was just a last minute thrown together money grab that's blown up in their face. I don't think there is much to get.

Yep. I think they were sitting around in a circle and it probably went something like this....


Guy #1 - "welp.... we have a problem. Our extra basketball autographs inventory is out of control. We've got stuff from 6-7 years ago that no one wants. Heck, people aren't even redeeming these even though we're still letting them years after their expiration date. We've got to start moving some of this crap."

Guy #2 - "hey, why don't we kinda create a new product where - since these appear to be "buybacks" we will include a few real buybacks! We will hand number everything! Even the stuff that's stamped! Then people will always know that their card came out of this cool new product we are creating! And you know what else we could do? The unnumbered cards that we kept for replacements - since those aren't stamped, we can just number those to however many we have! That'll be a TON of 1/1's and /2's! Collectors will love it!!!"

Guy #1 - "amazing. We will have to throw together a crappy base set too though. Otherwise, some of these collectors might kinda see what's going on here."

Guy #2 - "perfect! Let's use game photography to differentiate the set from all the other 2015 rookies!!"

Guy #1 - "that's a great idea. I only see one problem"

Guy #2 - "what's that?"

Guy #1 - "we've paid an awful lot of money for some of these players autos that may have made some sense in 2010, but now their story is told, and they really don't have ANY value at this point. There are plenty of guys we've had to pay $10 an autograph to, that are worthless at this point. The guys down in accounting have calculated that the average cost to us once we've created the base set and gotten the real buy back signed, packaged everything up and shipped it off is actually about $100 a box. A huge piece of that is the cost of those worthless autos - but if we're going to make our normal margins, we've gotta include those costs. Right?

Guy #2 - "jeez. You're right. By the time we make a few bucks, and the distributors and shops do too, collectors are going to be paying $150 for this stuff. But you know what? Let's SRP it at $200. Then, If they're not willing to pay on, say, half of it, we can slowly discount it till it sells! Then we can still get an average of $150 a box! Not only that, but we will have rid ourselves of all this inventory that's slowing us down!"

This is how things like this actually happen folks. You win some. You lose some. Panini LOST bigtime here. This is the worst look they've had in 7 years.

[M4YH3M1]

No matter which way you look at it, it was all with one aim;

To steal our money whilst taking the biggest sh1t on collectors.

https://www.change.org/p/nba-propert...g-card-license

[Ultimatewarrick]

if it was $20 a box i wouldnt complain, but $230!! wow

[benz35]

think theyre just going to distribute packs for these.. remember the alex lensanity during 13-14 NT breaks?

[hexthem4n]

Is this sort of an announcement a first?

[TBlazers50]

Originally Posted by hexthem4n

Is this sort of an announcement a first?

I think they issued a similar statement when the legitimacy of some football memorabilia was called into question a little while back.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

Exactly. Some cards are already stamped with serial numbers, and they just wrote a different serial number on it. I mean wtf were they thinking?

LMAO, the first box had a card serial #d 86/99 on the front, and someone wrote 86/98 on it. So I'm assuming there's a 'Panini 1/1' out there somewhere!

[Archangel1775]

They are going to send everyone white sparkle packs and charge you a $24.99 for S&H

[inopethflames]

i would expect panini points and maybe the various special packs they make throughout the year. its just pathetic they would release a product like this in the first place unless they made it 29.99 a box. 99% of panini and all sports card products are priced at least twice as high as would make them pretty good when they are released, but they are almost all at least 'normal' products, not some weird buyback thing that is grossly overpriced.

this pretty much ends any other attempted buy back product from panini for about 10 years, why would anyone give them a chance on anther one after this. of course panini could make the product incredible if they wanted to, but they would probably lose money doing that on a buy back product.

[Andy5]

Originally Posted by inopethflames

i would expect panini points and maybe the various special packs they make throughout the year. its just pathetic they would release a product like this in the first place unless they made it 29.99 a box. 99% of panini and all sports card products are priced at least twice as high as would make them pretty good when they are released, but they are almost all at least 'normal' products, not some weird buyback thing that is grossly overpriced.

this pretty much ends any other attempted buy back product from panini for about 10 years, why would anyone give them a chance on anther one after this. of course panini could make the product incredible if they wanted to, but they would probably lose money doing that on a buy back product.

It's not even a buyback product. I don't think there's one card they've bought back. They're all cards from their inventory, either unredeemed redemptions, replacement cards or cards for the rewards site.

[Steveefranchise]

Please continue to post any updates regarding this situation. I have a related thread open and continually updated that is directly connected to any possible remedy offered from Panini as a result of this product.

[8collector34]

I wonder what Panini thinks of collectors.

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

I barely buy anything new these days, but it appears the hits and buybacks are merely unreleased cards from previous issues. Cards that were received late by Panani or were pulled from wax distribution for whatever unknown reason. This might also explain why I *think* everything is on card. It wasn't a sticker dump....but a sneaky chance to get rid of absolute garbage, and charge $100 a card to do it. THAT is the definition of sneaky.

Hence why a junk Robin Lopez card can be in here serial numbered to /99, and the hand then with an ugly hand written, matching serial number say 88/99.

So many of the hits are complete head scratchers....like Doran Lamb and Shelvin Mack. It makes no sense to "buyback" these commons, get them autographed then stamped and hand numbered. Oh and to slab each one of these ugly coated turds. But they did. It's nothing more than a complete warehouse cleaning inventory dump.

It's Topps Signatures for Panini, only Panini was stupid enough to stamp these as to pretend this "added value". Sadly, a Sheldon Mack on card auto to /149 has no more value than a Greg Oden autographed to /1499 on a sticker.

[lemongoat1134]

It's seriously no different than a repack box at target with a guaranteed autograph and you end up with Miles Plumlee. It should legitimately be $24.99 at Target.

[chris43]

I have an idea of what Panini can do to make it up to the customers....how about all the buyers get to stand in a circle and "stone" Tracy Hackler with the boxes? Hmmmm....sounds like a great idea to me