2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

So the democratic primary was not rigged against Bernie in any way?

I feel like the inability to cast a primary vote gives me a small bit of objectivity, and I do believe the DNC was never actually interested in Sanders for their ticket. Trump was regularly scrutinized by Fox News and the RNC, however he got the votes.

Originally Posted by Brobocop

A question I have is, will this thread be shut down when the election is over? I vote yes. I think this thread is full of ugly and nasty comments directed at both candidates and at some points, one another. I think a lot of people will come to regret some of the things they said in here. I just hope that once this thing is done and over with, people can relax a bit and try to just live their life the best they can.

You can't control most of what happens to you. What you can control is how you react to it.

This is more of an argument it keep the thread open. People make interesting points and exchange ideas civilly from time to time. There are some louder voices in this crowd that I could do without, but I like the exposure to a plurality of perspectives, which I probably wouldn't comes across without this thread.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

yea, sure did. that is another reason why I haven't said anything bad since. I've barely even been in this thread since. What I said before was deserving of a suspension. What I said four minutes ago was nothing. Just my OPINION. I believe this is over and safe to say she's officially won. Others have posted their opinion in this thread also so WHY are you all of the sudden so offended by mine??? Just trying to get me in trouble. It isn't going to work as i have nothing else to say about this! I believe she won the debate again.

Plenty of people BASH hillary in this thread. It goes both ways. that is why we have opinions. No big deal. No need to get offended. Not trying to make anybody mad or upset. Just my simple opinion. Somebody will win and somebody will lose. We'll see on Nov 8th I guess.

Thank you.

Offended??? Not at all. Just thought people suspended in this thread were asked to stay out...

And don't get it twisted: BOTH Hillary and Trump deserve to be bashed. They're both completely unscrupulous humans that are far from deserving of America's highest office.

I guess I'm just befuddled by anyone that really thinks either of these lunatics are deserving of the office...let alone "celebrating" their debate "win."

[trixstar]

I don't think it should be shut down. There can still be political discussion after the election, besides it's the only thread on blowout where any type of politics can be discussed.

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by Panthersfans

Exactly. The one thing I was pulling my hair out over last night. Wallace gave Trump a lob over the questioning of a rigged election, all he needed to say was "if the DNC would rig an election against their own party, what would make you think they wouldn't do the same to the rest of the nation?" Clearly missed a golden opportunity.

+1

I was thinking the same thing, he nailed the Clinton Foundation slam with money being taken from countries that don't respect human rights, like gays and women, except she didn't come close to answering It (obviously), and Trump didn't follow up so that was kind of missed.

I don't get why some candidates don't follow up with a "you didn't answer my question", it seems they never do.

[Nyfancam01]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Offended??? Not at all. Just thought people suspended in this thread were asked to stay out...

And don't get it twisted: BOTH Hillary and Trump deserve to be bashed. They're both completely unscrupulous humans that are far from deserving of America's highest office.

I guess I'm just befuddled by anyone that really thinks either of these lunatics are deserving of the office...let alone "celebrating" their debate "win."

Nobody told me to stay out of this thread. No mod has told me to stay out of this thread.

i've watched what i've said because of the suspension that I definitely earned before. All 3 debates are done now... we just wait until November 8th. I believe most minds are basically made up already.

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

I feel like the inability to cast a primary vote gives me a small bit of objectivity, and I do believe the DNC was never actually interested in Sanders for their ticket. Trump was regularly scrutinized by Fox News and the RNC, however he got the votes.



This is more of an argument it keep the thread open. People make interesting points and exchange ideas civilly from time to time. There are some louder voices in this crowd that I could do without, but I like the exposure to a plurality of perspectives, which I probably wouldn't comes across without this thread.

They weren't, too bad it wasn't up to them, or it wasn't supposed to be. Sanders would be running away with this election if it were him and Trump. This process was Hillary all the way, that's why we only had two "Real" candidates for the democratic primary IMO. I'm sure many Dems that will run maybe next time were told to stay back and let Hillary have this one, everyone abided except Sanders, and with all of the DNC working against him, he almost pulled it off, without any SUPER PAC to back him. The Ol' Timer went toe to toe with Corrupt Hillary with funding.

Too bad, Sanders is what we needed, not these two clowns. The fact that more outrage is being raised with how the DNC process went is beyond me, I'm sure it has to do with all the Hollywood, sports, Iphones, Starbucks, Netflix, Concert distractions that people care more about (to be fair I'm not very involved either).

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

#NastyWoman

#BadHombres

Originally Posted by atoaz12

A couple things I noticed:

- On back to back points Hillary mentioned thousands of kids dying because of guns in the home but then backs late term abortion one question later
- Hillary mentions bringing Bin Laden to justice but doesn't believe in the death penalty

Me too.

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

They weren't, too bad it wasn't up to them, or it wasn't supposed to be. Sanders would be running away with this election if it were him and Trump. This process was Hillary all the way, that's why we only had two "Real" candidates for the democratic primary IMO. I'm sure many Dems that will run maybe next time were told to stay back and let Hillary have this one, everyone abided except Sanders, and with all of the DNC working against him, he almost pulled it off, without any SUPER PAC to back him. The Ol' Timer went toe to toe with Corrupt Hillary with funding.

Too bad, Sanders is what we needed, not these two clowns. The fact that more outrage is being raised with how the DNC process went is beyond me, I'm sure it has to do with all the Hollywood, sports, Iphones, Starbucks, Netflix, Concert distractions that people care more about (to be fair I'm not very involved either).

My guess is that the Sanders contingent has remained mostly silent because they wouldn't want to divert independent votes in Trump's direction, and that Clinton's nomination was, as far as public knowledge is concerned, perfectly legal.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

They weren't, too bad it wasn't up to them, or it wasn't supposed to be. Sanders would be running away with this election if it were him and Trump. This process was Hillary all the way, that's why we only had two "Real" candidates for the democratic primary IMO. I'm sure many Dems that will run maybe next time were told to stay back and let Hillary have this one, everyone abided except Sanders, and with all of the DNC working against him, he almost pulled it off, without any SUPER PAC to back him. The Ol' Timer went toe to toe with Corrupt Hillary with funding.

Too bad, Sanders is what we needed, not these two clowns. The fact that more outrage is being raised with how the DNC process went is beyond me, I'm sure it has to do with all the Hollywood, sports, Iphones, Starbucks, Netflix, Concert distractions that people care more about (to be fair I'm not very involved either).

Sanders is the only one that I would choose Hillary over. Our economy would have been in shambles

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Sanders is the only one that I would choose Hillary over. Our economy would have been in shambles

Would or wouldn't? It appears you might have meant to write wouldn't.


I don't think our economy would have been any worse with him. At least he's honest and trustworthy, I fully didn't expect a lot of his stuff to be passed, but he truly looks like he would put forth a good faith effort for the common person. Our country needs some trust built back into politics.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

Nobody told me to stay out of this thread. No mod has told me to stay out of this thread.

i've watched what i've said because of the suspension that I definitely earned before. All 3 debates are done now... we just wait until November 8th. I believe most minds are basically made up already.

Who didn't have their mind made up prior to the debates

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

Would or wouldn't? It appears you might have meant to write wouldn't.


I don't think our economy would have been any worse with him. At least he's honest and trustworthy, I fully didn't expect a lot of his stuff to be passed, but he truly looks like he would put forth a good faith effort for the common person. Our country needs some trust built back into politics.

Buddy Roemer was a really interesting candidate in 2012, but party politics kept him on the fringe, excluding him from Republican primary debates, despite meeting the polling requirements for entry.

His message was similar to Sanders. Didn't have a PAC, called BS on Wall Street, and wanted to reform campaign finance laws.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

Would or wouldn't? It appears you might have meant to write wouldn't.


I don't think our economy would have been any worse with him. At least he's honest and trustworthy, I fully didn't expect a lot of his stuff to be passed, but he truly looks like he would put forth a good faith effort for the common person. Our country needs some trust built back into politics.

Politician, Honest and trustworthy don't seem to belong together.

[tke1600]

I think the majority of people have already made up their minds but the question right now will be the turnout. All of the polls that have Clinton way up are basing these numbers on Dems turning out more for Clinton than they did for Obama in 2008. If no other big news comes out for either candidate, is there really anything pointing to huge Dem numbers above 2008 numbers for Obama, when most Americans were begging for change from the recession?

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

Buddy Roemer was a really interesting candidate in 2012, but party politics kept him on the fringe, excluding him from Republican primary debates, despite meeting the polling requirements for entry.

His message was similar to Sanders. Didn't have a PAC, called BS on Wall Street, and wanted to reform campaign finance laws.

These two would have been huge from Bernie. Forget $15 h/r, cheaper college, free healthcare, that's all stuff I figured would not get passed. The campaign finance reform and Wall Street issues would have been reasons alone.

[Ray27Ray52]

It's a done deal. Been in the bag for Clinton the entire time. I am seriously going to have to reconsider using the the word President in front of her name in the future like I do for all Presidents regardless of if I respect them or not. I am not nor have I ever been a fan of President Obama but I always try to at least show him the respect that the office carries. Hillary may be the back breaker for me when it comes to that show of respect.

[jusdukky]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Offended??? Not at all. Just thought people suspended in this thread were asked to stay out...

And don't get it twisted: BOTH Hillary and Trump deserve to be bashed. They're both completely unscrupulous humans that are far from deserving of America's highest office.

I guess I'm just befuddled by anyone that really thinks either of these lunatics are deserving of the office...let alone "celebrating" their debate "win."

Great post right here ^^^^^

[NeedChapmans]

No, this is not fake.

https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/stat...23617703182336

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, this is not fake.

https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/stat...23617703182336

How dare he!! The unmitigated gall.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

It's a done deal. Been in the bag for Clinton the entire time. I am seriously going to have to reconsider using the the word President in front of her name in the future like I do for all Presidents regardless of if I respect them or not. I am not nor have I ever been a fan of President Obama but I always try to at least show him the respect that the office carries. Hillary may be the back breaker for me when it comes to that show of respect.

I can't stand her either but we've had plenty of even worse people who were president...starting with James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

These two would have been huge from Bernie. Forget $15 h/r, cheaper college, free healthcare, that's all stuff I figured would not get passed. The campaign finance reform and Wall Street issues would have been reasons alone.

Which exposes the paradox for candidates that appeal to dudes like us. How is anyone going to be able campaign on a platform centered around affecting meaningful reform, without participating in the current political system they're challenging? The only plausible way to gain office would be by fighting fire with fire, making the candidate disingenuous and hypocritical.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I can't stand her either but we've had plenty of even worse people who were president...starting with James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

No doubt. But I kinda wasn't alive for them.

[GeechQuest]

I just don't understand Donald Trump. He will say absolutely anything and has no filter, but when it comes to talking about the negative publicity surround Hillary he backs off.

-He should have BLASTED her on the Haiti scandal.
-He should have BLASTED her on pay to play
-He should have BLASTED her on her trying to connect Russia to Wikileaks
-He should have BLASTED her on the no-fly zone she'd like to enact over Syria

I kept waiting for something, anything from him. The above issues are things that most left-leaning people are staunchly against. Donald Trump should have kept hammering those. He chose to appeal to the conservative base that would never vote for Hillary anyway instead of appealing to those with a more liberal bent and hammering the issues that most Democrats do not stand in support with her on.

I would have thought Donald to be more prepared. He had to have known the Wikileaks/Russia was going to be brought up. I kept waiting for him to say something along the lines of : "The same intelligent agencies that swore that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction are now saying that Russia hacked and gave Wikileaks the thousands upon thousand Podesta emails? There wasn't proof of WMD's and there's no proof Russia is behind the leaks. If there is proof please lay it out right now in front of the American people, and I will get behind you and stand against Russia. Making these unfounded claims is eerily similar to what happened prior to the Iraq war. This game of political chicken with Russia is very dangerous and not the direction we need to go in. The American people are sick of being lied to and sick of unjust wars based on unfounded claims."

That would have resonated with the left. That would have resonated with the Bernie supporters. He could have said anything similar on a myriad of Hillary Clinton issues, but he just never did.



The best "line" of the debate is below. I think this was the best thing said during the entire election cycle from either candidate. This was the knockout blow to the entire Trump campaign. Trump had many opportunities to make a similar speech over the past few months, it just never happened.





"But I think it's really an important issue. He raised the 30 years of experience, so let me just talk briefly about that. You know, back in the 1970s, I worked for the Children's Defense Fund. And I was taking on discrimination against African-American kids in schools. He was getting sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings.

In the 1980s, I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas. He was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. In the 1990s, I went to Beijing and I said women's rights are human rights. He insulted a former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado, called her an eating machine.
And on the day when I was in the Situation Room, monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice, he was hosting the "Celebrity Apprentice." So I'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what I've done for this country, trying to help in every way I could, especially kids and families get ahead and stay ahead, with your 30 years, and I'll let the American people make that decision."

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

No doubt. But I kinda wasn't alive for them.

Skip old as ballz.

[swise0121]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

Which exposes the paradox for candidates that appeal to dudes like us. How is anyone going to be able campaign on a platform centered around affecting meaningful reform, without participating in the current political system they're challenging? The only plausible way to gain office would be by fighting fire with fire, making the candidate disingenuous and hypocritical.

Great point. Something I hadn't thought about.