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[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I was using that as an example in state legislatures. There are MANY states with term limits who's legislatures stagnate and nothing gets done. Limiting the terms doesn't prevent this. Not sure what you were trying to point out.

Do you put effort into your condescension or does it just come naturally???

Congress already does nothing. Term limits, per your unverified sourcing, might not change it, but it would at least kick out some of the bums that do nothing. *cough* Charlie Rangel *cough* I'm not sure how that was unclear...

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

I agree.

Also, you have old duffers in there that probably never get challenged in there district and there a stick in one mindset and don't really evolve with the times, which I think is kind of important as society changes.

Like Charlie Rangel now? How about guys like Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd. Those guys were really useful towards their end. In Indiana, we had a real gem with Julia Carson. She spent most of her HoR career in amazingly poor health. Trump truthers would claim Hillary to be the epitome of health compared to Julia...

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Do you put effort into your condescension or does it just come naturally???

Congress already does nothing. Term limits, per your unverified sourcing, might not change it, but it would at least kick out some of the bums that do nothing. *cough* Charlie Rangel *cough* I'm not sure how that was unclear...

I guess it comes naturally? I didn't understand why you used that point when I stated the same things happen in state legislature when there are term limits. As I stated there are definitely both sides to the idea. Getting rid of bad congressman is a great idea, I just happen to think it should be done through voting since the whole term limit also gets rid of good congressmen. I just disagree that putting a number on the time someone can serve in congress is going to magically make things get done in DC. The same thing that holds up bills now is going to hold up bills with term limits. Congressmen are going to do what they think is right for their constituents to get them re-elected because they certainly aren't moving to one term revolving door scenario. I'd be much more likely to agree if we start talking about an age limit but I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

[noryan34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I got it now. I actually went and googled her name and saw the same story pop up that you just outlined. Below is from an article I found in reference to the story you are referencing.

It’s not immediately clear what the payment was for, and it’s also unclear whether Rodriguez was really behind the agitation in Chicago or if she was simply making an empty boast

Activist Taking Credit For Riots Was On Hillary Payroll | The Daily Caller

The above part is good journalism. The story lays out all the circumstantial evidence they have but reiterate that it's not solid proof of anything. Not saying what you're implying is incorrect (it doesn't appear so) but it's not PROOF.






Sources for the bolded please? Also, could you use the definition of corruption you linked in a sentence in reference to Politico's Glenn Thrush who's email is referenced in the Wikileaks dump? I'm steal failing to see the "corruption" that has been inferred against Hillary Clinton throughout this thread with the email.

Give it a rest. Either read posts before you quote them or don't respond. I gave 2 examples of different journalists at Politico sending their stories to members of her campaign or party committee. Read into those what you must.

I understand you need to see physical evidence with her hand in the cookie jar before you will think anything is corrupt. The likelihood that that exists is slim to none. This is just establishing a pattern of behavior for the people surrounding her and she is trusting the advice of.

[trixstar]

lol Trump telling people in Colorado to forget the press and read the internet. He adds that many of the reporters won't be around much longer.

[mikestrick]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Looks like Trump is going to call for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress.

Not saying it's good or bad but I love how 3 weeks out of the election and all of a sudden he's for term limits. By the time the election gets here, he's gonna be promising everybody that votes for him 40 acres and a mule. He's knows it will never happen because no way in hell will two thirds of Congress vote to fire themselves. Just throwing poo out there to try and rile up the base.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I guess it comes naturally? I didn't understand why you used that point when I stated the same things happen in state legislature when there are term limits. As I stated there are definitely both sides to the idea. Getting rid of bad congressman is a great idea, I just happen to think it should be done through voting since the whole term limit also gets rid of good congressmen. I just disagree that putting a number on the time someone can serve in congress is going to magically make things get done in DC. The same thing that holds up bills now is going to hold up bills with term limits. Congressmen are going to do what they think is right for their constituents to get them re-elected because they certainly aren't moving to one term revolving door scenario. I'd be much more likely to agree if we start talking about an age limit but I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

I'd love to see a source verifying this. Unfortunately, I don't just take random statements to be fact.

[noryan34]

It is fascinating how your really not a bad person until you run for political office.

Then all of a sudden no matter what side your on you are instantly Satan that wants to ruin the world

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

I'd love to see a source verifying this. Unfortunately, I don't just take random statements to be fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-a-good-idea/

There's a 36 page paper linked in this article if you use the table of contents you can skim through it.

Here's a study from Wayne University on how term limits have negatively impacted Michigan

Twelve-year study by Wayne State faculty shows term limits for Michigan legislators have negatively impacted state - Newsroom - Wayne State University

Also at the bottom of the original link there are two studies that show "nuanced effects"

Again there are good arguments to be made for them, I just think they are short sighted and aren't going to have the impact people think they will. Sorry for coming off condescending about the matter.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by noryan34

It is fascinating how your really not a bad person until you run for political office.

Then all of a sudden no matter what side your on you are instantly Satan that wants to ruin the world

This is the exact reason we end up with the crappy candidates we have.
Everyone has skeletons in their closets and no one wants their name ran through the media wringer.

On a side note, I say we should have a "none of the above" option on this years election ballots.
Then when "none of the above" garners the most votes, which I'm pretty confident would happen, we start all over and prevent any of the previous candidates from ever being allowed to run again.

[noryan34]

Originally Posted by Astros19

This is the exact reason we end up with the crappy candidates we have.
Everyone has skeletons in their closets and no one wants their name ran through the media wringer.

On a side note, I say we should have a "none of the above" option on this years election ballots.
Then when "none of the above" garners the most votes, which I'm pretty confident would happen, we start all over and prevent any of the previous candidates from ever being allowed to run again.

Oh you think whoever would get chosen as replacements wouldn't have their own personal demons? It amazes me the stuff that gets dug up when they want it to and how much we only care when people run for political office.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by noryan34

Give it a rest. Either read posts before you quote them or don't respond. I gave 2 examples of different journalists at Politico sending their stories to members of her campaign or party committee. Read into those what you must.

I understand you need to see physical evidence with her hand in the cookie jar before you will think anything is corrupt. The likelihood that that exists is slim to none. This is just establishing a pattern of behavior for the people surrounding her and she is trusting the advice of.

For the record you gave 1 (Ken Vogel), Chapmans gave the Glenn Thrush email.

I'd like to thank you for citing examples, but all you've proven is that Vogel and Thrush vetted editorials through the DNC before giving it to their editors at Politico. That may be against Politico's policy as they try to remain neutral and it leaves room to question the information they're presenting, but it's not illegal nor is it corruption. PR organizations do this all the time for celebrities (Vet stories before going public).

Thank you for understanding that I'd need to see "physical" (Concrete) evidence before thinking anything is corrupt. I don't think I'm alone in this regard. As a matter of fact, as I stated earlier, every single Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Defense Attorney/Persons related to the Judicial Field would also need to see the same evidence before believing unsubstantiated claims.

All I've seen is a bunch of circumstantial evidence of corruption. We only have 1/2 a story, and then people fill in the blanks to fit their narrative. If Wikileaks has anything substantial I assume they will publish it, but I've said for a week now I don't think they have it because I don't think it exists.

That's not to say all the accusations people have made are false, typically where there's smoke there's fire. I just don't think the actual "smoking gun" exists.

Sorry if this is hard for some of people to take. I was just taught that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. We've seen that Hillary and her ilk have not been proven guilty of anything, and until they have been they are presumed innocent. Anything else is just conjecture. I'm still waiting for PROOF, as none has been provided.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by noryan34

Oh you think whoever would get chosen as replacements wouldn't have their own personal demons? It amazes me the stuff that gets dug up when they want it to and how much we only care when people run for political office.

I agree, but the least we could do is make the diggers put some effort into it.
It was way too easy for them this election.

[mikestrick]

Looks like somebodies a "Flip Flopper" lol

[Astros19]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by trixstar

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-a-good-idea/

There's a 36 page paper linked in this article if you use the table of contents you can skim through it.

Here's a study from Wayne University on how term limits have negatively impacted Michigan

Twelve-year study by Wayne State faculty shows term limits for Michigan legislators have negatively impacted state - Newsroom - Wayne State University

Also at the bottom of the original link there are two studies that show "nuanced effects"

Again there are good arguments to be made for them, I just think they are short sighted and aren't going to have the impact people think they will. Sorry for coming off condescending about the matter.

How much is the Hillary campaign compensating you for the constant linking of biased reports?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

How much is the Hillary campaign compensating you for the constant linking of biased reports?

The second report is from 2010, before Hillary was running for President. In fact what Trix is talking about is not even an issue divided by party lines.

I sincerely hope your comment was sarcasm because if not

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

How much is the Hillary campaign compensating you for the constant linking of biased reports?

I mean it doesn't even have to do with party lines? State legislation regarding term limits has only been around since 1994 I believe, these studies have nothing to do with either party. Trump is hardly the first person to suggest this amendment either.

[tacoma34]

I swear Obama says "ISIL" just to piss Americans off. He's expert level troll.

[mikestrick]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

I swear Obama says "ISIL" just to piss Americans off. He's expert level troll.

He has a reason:

The reason the Obama administration, and some others, have opted to call the group “ISIL” is partly geographical, partly grammatical. Whereas ISIS stands for “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria,” ISIL stands for “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant,” meaning the whole eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. It includes Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel and Jordan, and so is thought to more accurately describe the large region threatened by the group’s activities, the Washington Post wrote earlier this year.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by mikestrick

He has a reason:

The reason the Obama administration, and some others, have opted to call the group “ISIL” is partly geographical, partly grammatical. Whereas ISIS stands for “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria,” ISIL stands for “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant,” meaning the whole eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. It includes Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel and Jordan, and so is thought to more accurately describe the large region threatened by the group’s activities, the Washington Post wrote earlier this year.

Yeah, I understand the reasoning.

[BoxBreaker72]

Are democratic policies working right now for you and your family?

2% growth. Isis all over. Wide open borders. Taking in thousands of immigrant that we can't vet. High taxes..

This is madness. Pure madness.

[babyfaceposey]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

Voter fraud.

[xbignick]

[Ray27Ray52]

I haven't done anything wrong yet I'm stepping down less than a month before my candidate is on the doorstep of the Presidency. Seems legit.