2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[xbignick]

Good to know baseball card messageboard is the standard comparison for a paid speech, makes us feel important.

[no10pin]

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Astros19

We're being played so badly it's embarrassing.
For your amusement, it's 17 minutes long and in today's world of instant gratification I'm sure some won't take the time to watch it.
Please do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

1.4M views in the 12 hours it's been up. Hannity played the video tonight, but unsurprisingly, CNN, MSNBC etc have decided this is not a story the public should know about.

And in 12 hours, another one coming out.

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by Astros19

We're being played so badly it's embarrassing.
For your amusement, it's 17 minutes long and in today's world of instant gratification I'm sure some won't take the time to watch it.
Please do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

I have to seriously worry about anyone that votes for her at this point. There is no doubt in my mind that she is pulling out all the dirty tricks to try and stop him (Including all the women last week).

The good thing is, is that they are making it too obvious at this point. In 1995 this stuff would have worked. People are slowly waking up right now and that's all we can hope for.

Again, to any Hillary supporter, how can you still support her at this point? And if so, why? What do you like specifically about her policies and plans?

She isn't a democrat or progressive. She is a globalist robot. ALL the proof is out there.

[tacoma34]

Democrats and MSM are just preying on minorities, they are nothing but a means to an end. The coverage, conversations and call to action will end once the votes are tallied. Despite all of the constant noise, the choice on election day has never been more clear. All of us citizens are on the same side. It's really time we wake up and start acting like it.

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

1.4M views in the 12 hours it's been up. Hannity played the video tonight, but unsurprisingly, CNN, MSNBC etc have decided this is not a story the public should know about.

And in 12 hours, another one coming out.

wow. just watched video

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

I have to seriously worry about anyone that votes for her at this point. There is no doubt in my mind that she is pulling out all the dirty tricks to try and stop him (Including all the women last week).

The good thing is, is that they are making it too obvious at this point. In 1995 this stuff would have worked. People are slowly waking up right now and that's all we can hope for.

Again, to any Hillary supporter, how can you still support her at this point? And if so, why? What do you like specifically about her policies and plans?

She isn't a democrat or progressive. She is a globalist robot. ALL the proof is out there.

Hillary at this point is a much better option than Trump. The guy is a lunatic and should be no where near the white house. Not saying I am a fan of Hillary because I am not, she is untrustworthy and her judgement is poor, but that doesn't mean I am going to vote for someone much worse in Trump. This man only cares about himself and it is laughable at all the people that think Trump speaks for the common man. Nothing he has ever done would indicate he gives a crap about anyone but himself. All the people he has screwed over and not paid throughout his business career. His charity and Trump university are scams. He gets offended anytime someone questions him and lashes out at them on twitter or in the media. Doesn't matter if its a politician, a comedian, a member of the military, the family of a veteran, etc. He has talked about expanding libel laws to make it easier for him to sue people that write negative stories about him. He talks about jailing his political opponent and also about implementing plans which have been deemed unconstitutional. Also he considers himself on expert on everything going on with the world even over people that live and breath it every day. There is clear reason to believe he would never be able to take suggestions from anyone in his cabinet or from anyone that works in the various government agencies given his massive ego. This guy is the closest thing to a dictator the US would ever see if he is elected and he must be stopped now.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

I have to seriously worry about anyone that votes for her at this point.

I have said this about both candidates for a while. How anyone sees either Clinton or Trump as a reasonable choice for President of the United States is crazy IMO.

[pac213up]

And in other news....Clinton continues to move further ahead in the polls. +7 today. Good news for Trump is he is only losing Nevada by 2.5 now. Bad news is he is consistently trailing in FL, PA, VA, NH,& NC. Without stealing PA he basically has to carry every swing state, most of which he is trailing right now.



And for all the talk about these polls missing on Trump. 6 months out.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by pac213up

And in other news....Clinton continues to move further ahead in the polls. +7 today. Good news for Trump is he is only losing Nevada by 2.5 now. Bad news is he is consistently trailing in FL, PA, VA, NH,& NC. Without stealing PA he basically has to carry every swing state, most of which he is trailing right now.



And for all the talk about these polls missing on Trump. 6 months out.

Stop spewing all of this factual information. Many Trump supporters do not acknowledge research and data.

[NeedChapmans]

[zachtruitt]

It's all downhill from here.

[trixstar]

These wiki leak dumps would have been 100 times more effective if any other human on the planet was on the Republican ticket.

[Ray27Ray52]

You know what would be absolutely awesome? If we as Americans decided to not even bother showing up to the polls on Election Day. I would love to see record level low turnout. In the end it doesn't even matter but I am exercising my right as a citizen to not place a vote for either of these criminal idiots.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by trixstar

These wiki leak dumps would have been 100 times more effective if any other human on the planet was on the Republican ticket.

Maybe it would have, but truth be told I have yet to read anything that would sway the election. No earth shattering news, nothing of substance, it's just been a bunch of nothing so far.

Maybe Wikileaks releases something damaging soon (they've inferred that they have it), but as of now they've released a bunch of non-consequential emails.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Maybe it would have, but truth be told I have yet to read anything that would sway the election. No earth shattering news, nothing of substance, it's just been a bunch of nothing so far.

Maybe Wikileaks releases something damaging soon (they've inferred that they have it), but as of now they've released a bunch of non-consequential emails.

You mean having the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton admitting they send people to rallies to start violence isn't a big deal?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You mean having the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton admitting they send people to rallies to start violence isn't a big deal?

Direct link to the Wikileaks email please?


What you posted has no context, nor does it state anything about "inciting violence" as you put.


Tell me please how you interpret:

"Engage immigrant right organizations. DREAMers have been bird dogging Republican presidential candidates on DACA/DAPA, but they've learned to respond. There's an opportunity to bird dog and record questions about Trump's comment and connect it to the policy"

Also, did that come directly from Hillary or a campaign lackey?

Again, nothing of substance...

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Hillary at this point is a much better option than Trump. The guy is a lunatic and should be no where near the white house. Not saying I am a fan of Hillary because I am not, she is untrustworthy and her judgement is poor, but that doesn't mean I am going to vote for someone much worse in Trump. This man only cares about himself and it is laughable at all the people that think Trump speaks for the common man. Nothing he has ever done would indicate he gives a crap about anyone but himself. All the people he has screwed over and not paid throughout his business career. His charity and Trump university are scams. He gets offended anytime someone questions him and lashes out at them on twitter or in the media. Doesn't matter if its a politician, a comedian, a member of the military, the family of a veteran, etc. He has talked about expanding libel laws to make it easier for him to sue people that write negative stories about him. He talks about jailing his political opponent and also about implementing plans which have been deemed unconstitutional. Also he considers himself on expert on everything going on with the world even over people that live and breath it every day. There is clear reason to believe he would never be able to take suggestions from anyone in his cabinet or from anyone that works in the various government agencies given his massive ego. This guy is the closest thing to a dictator the US would ever see if he is elected and he must be stopped now.

This, all of this

I don't like Hillary and I'm not a supporter of hers, I am a supporter of the one person who can stop Trump from being President, it just so happens to be her.

She may be crooked, corrupt, whatever words you want to use, but he is still so much of a worse option to be te leader of this country that it's not even funny.

How the things he has been saying and doing isn't scaring people is downright mind boggling to me.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Direct link to the Wikileaks email please?


What you posted has no context, nor does it state anything about "inciting violence" as you put.

Also, did that come directly from Hillary or a campaign lackey?

Again, nothing of substance...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3833

If you spend just a few minutes watching the video from yesterday where DNC ops admit to inciting violence at Trump rallies by "bird dogging" the connection is easy. The campaign "lackey" is her campaign manager, Robbie Mook. So proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people to go to Trump events to try and get punched doesn't do it for you, then it's a lost cause for you I'm afraid.

Unless of course you can come up with a single alternative theory as to what "bird dogging" is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3833

If you spend just a few minutes watching the video from yesterday where DNC ops admit to inciting violence at Trump rallies by "bird dogging" the connection is easy. The campaign "lackey" is her campaign manager, Robbie Mook. So proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people to go to Trump events to try and get punched doesn't do it for you, then it's a lost cause for you I'm afraid.

Unless of course you can come up with a single alternative theory as to what "bird dogging" is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Is Robby Mook connected to Scott Foval (guy in the video)? You're connecting two completely separate things that are only related by the term "bird-dogging" which doesn't directly mean "cause violence"

Where in the email you posted is there proof of wanting to incite violence? Where is the proof in the email (the complete one from Wikileaks) that Robby Mook or anyone in Hillary's campaign group was paying homeless people?

I'll wait for the proof. You said it was proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people so please provide it if you'd be so kind.

I won't even get into the James O'Keefe video. It's awful on the surface, but there's no direct connection between Scott Foval or Robert Creamer to Hillary Clinton. If you have it I'd honestly love to see that.

I won't even get into who James O'Keefe is, but anyone who knows anything about him knows that due to his past anything he publishes should be thoroughly vetted as he doesn't have a great track record with "the truth". The most ironic thing regarding this video is that James O'Keefe has built a career on "Bird-dogging" liberals.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Unless of course you can come up with a single alternative theory as to what "bird dogging" is.

The description on this website regarding how the term is used in the context of politics seems to fit better than what you're describing. Bird-dogging: A tactic that gets candidates talking | SOA Watch: Close the School of the Americas

It has nothing to do with animals and everything to do with grassroots power in action! To bird-dog is to “observe, follow, monitor and/or seek out with persistent attention.” It’s a great tactic that SOA Watch activists have used to get politicians to talk publicly about the School of the Americas. Basically, you show up at the candidates’ events, ask them to commit to defund the SOA, and ask them questions they don’t want to answer in order to get them on the record and to educate those present about the SOA and U.S. militarization in the Americas.

Obviously, that description is about this specific group. But it also contains the actual definition of the term (similar to how dictionary.com defines it). Nothing to do with inciting violence.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Is Robby Mook connected to Scott Foval (guy in the video)? You're connecting two completely separate things that are only related by the term "bird-dogging" which doesn't directly mean "cause violence"

Where in the email you posted is there proof of wanting to incite violence? Where is the proof in the email (the complete one from Wikileaks) that Robby Mook or anyone in Hillary's campaign group was paying homeless people?

I'll wait for the proof. You said it was proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people so please provide it if you'd be so kind.

I won't even get into the James O'Keefe video. It's awful on the surface, but there's no direct connection between Scott Foval or Robert Creamer to Hillary Clinton (If you have it I'd honestly love to see that.

I won't even get into who James O'Keefe is, but anyone who knows anything about him knows that due to his past anything he publishes should be thoroughly vetted as he doesn't have a great track record with "the truth". The most ironic thing regarding this video is that James O'Keefe has built a career on "Bird-dogging" liberals.

Anyone that knows anything about him knows that his stories are always accurate, but his methods questionable. Not a single instance has any of his videos been discredited, but he was arrested for entering a federal building under false pretenses.

Other than the direct connection they say in the video "We work directly with the DNC" ... then no. You won't find an email from anyone stating "Tom, please go find 100 homeless people, give them a shower and a meal, and then have them get in line early Friday morning to try and get attacked by Trump supporters, Thanks - HRC"

But if that's the only criteria you have for determining if someone is guilty, then you'll never be satisfied w/ the evidence. Keep in mind of course that as of today 28% of the Podesta emails have been released, so perhaps there's still time for you to be convinced. Another video coming out in an hour about voter fraud, should be fun!

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Anyone that knows anything about him knows that his stories are always accurate, but his methods questionable. Not a single instance has any of his videos been discredited, but he was arrested for entering a federal building under false pretenses.

Other than the direct connection they say in the video "We work directly with the DNC" ... then no. You won't find an email from anyone stating "Tom, please go find 100 homeless people, give them a shower and a meal, and then have them get in line early Friday morning to try and get attacked by Trump supporters, Thanks - HRC"

But if that's the only criteria you have for determining if someone is guilty, then you'll never be satisfied w/ the evidence. Keep in mind of course that as of today 28% of the Podesta emails have been released, so perhaps there's still time for you to be convinced. Another video coming out in an hour about voter fraud, should be fun!

Well let's see, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to one Juan Carlos Vera for misrepresenting Vera during his ACORN video. This isn't what I originally posted about so we can stop with the O'Keefe thing.

My original point was NOT ONE email has been released yet with some sort of damning evidence against Hillary Clinton. I did state it could be coming, but as of now it hasn't. We both agree it could be coming.

You then show an email, completely out of context, and then in your own words state "So proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people to go to Trump events to try and get punched doesn't do it for you, then it's a lost cause for you I'm afraid".

What you and many apparently don't understand is the definition of PROOF. This isn't the 1st time in this thread you've posted 1/2 truths (not that you're the only one so I'm not trying to isolate you). There's no proof of anything you are insinuating.

The bolded above in your quote is funny. Concrete proof is actually needed to prove someone's guilt. It's not my criteria however, but the accepted criteria of every single judge/jury/lawyer since the founding of this country. It's what keeps me from saying defamatory things against others, and even better keeps those accused from being wrongfully imprisoned. Could you imagine a society where we convicted based on the "proof" that's been laid out in this thread and across the internet during this political cycle?

You, or anyone for that matter has yet to post any PROOF of anything. So far these emails don't have proof of a damn thing that people have claimed.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Well let's see, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to one Juan Carlos Vera for misrepresenting Vera during his ACORN video. This isn't what I originally posted about so we can stop with the O'Keefe thing.

My original point was NOT ONE email has been released yet with some sort of damning evidence against Hillary Clinton. I did state it could be coming, but as of now it hasn't. We both agree it could be coming.

You then show an email, completely out of context, and then in your own words state "So proof of her campaign manager paying homeless people to go to Trump events to try and get punched doesn't do it for you, then it's a lost cause for you I'm afraid".

What you and many apparently don't understand is the definition of PROOF. This isn't the 1st time in this thread you've posted 1/2 truths (not that you're the only one so I'm not trying to isolate you). There's no proof of anything you are insinuating.

You, or anyone for that matter has yet to post any PROOF of anything. So far these emails don't have proof of a damn thing that people have claimed.

And ACORN was closed as a result of his video. Would that have been done if the video was false?

And with regard to half truth's and Clinton, as I've stated many times in this thread, even arguing w/ Trump supporters, these emails prove nothing against Clinton. I never said they did. But they do show, without a shadow of a doubt, clear corruption from the left. $1M gift from Qatar to Bill, "journalists" from Politico, NYT, Bloomberg giving stories ahead of time to the DNC and asking for their permission, even asking them if anything should be edited before publication.

Not to mention the simple fact that this new video, which now has 2.5M YouTube views in the first day has not been picked up by any MSM outlet EXCEPT Hannity (10pm Fox) tells you just how corrupt the media and the left have become. Days and weeks spent discussing how Trump is inciting violence at his rallies, and not a peep from CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo etc about the video that exposes people being paid to do it on purpose. Not a single mention ANYWHERE! Imagine if there was a video of the right paying people to punch protesters to "shut them up". You'd see it non-stop on every news channel through the debate.

That's what these leaks expose. Not Clinton specifically, but what she represents. Establishment government.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I have said this about both candidates for a while. How anyone sees either Clinton or Trump as a reasonable choice for President of the United States is crazy IMO.

To choose the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

I believe that's a quote from Jerry Garcia.
Pretty much spot on as far as this election is concerned.

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