2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by patchgenie

i like kasich more than trump, but don't think he is that great overall. it was just a lot of poor candidates to choose from this year. no one likes scott walker, carly, rubio, ted cruz that much. i'd pick trump over those guys if i had to choose. i always thought romney would be the strongest contender if he entered.

The strongest candidate would've been Bloomberg. However he ran he would've been the winner but he doesn't want to deal with this crap.

[trixstar]

A running list of the rats jumping off the S.S.Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...8209&tid=ss_tw

[redsoxx11]

Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

The very fact that anyone would defend either of these candidates is bad and they should feel bad.

I am not going to justify the actions of someone being "less worse" than the other guy. The very fact that people here have to and are doing that is just ridiculous.

Trump is an awful person. Clinton is an awful person.

Neither should be defended. They don't care about you and the only reason you should care about them is they are going to be running YOUR country for the next 4 years... minimum.

This whole election makes me sick and so does a lot of BS in this thread.

Well considering it should be Bernie... I would rather have Trump and Nationalism then Clinton and globalism, and out of all those candidates he's the only one that could beat her. They are diametrically opposed and that's why he does well. The (R) field was soft and honestly less Republican then Clinton is.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by redsoxx11

Well considering it should be Bernie... I would rather have Trump and Nationalism then Clinton and globalism, and out of all those candidates he's the only one that could beat her. They are diametrically opposed and that's why he does well. The (R) field was soft and honestly less Republican then Clinton is.

I think either Rubio or Kasich would have easily beaten Clinton.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

The very fact that anyone would defend either of these candidates is bad and they should feel bad.

I am not going to justify the actions of someone being "less worse" than the other guy. The very fact that people here have to and are doing that is just ridiculous.

Trump is an awful person. Clinton is an awful person.

Neither should be defended. They don't care about you and the only reason you should care about them is they are going to be running YOUR country for the next 4 years... minimum.

This whole election makes me sick and so does a lot of BS in this thread.

Absolutely
Defending either one at this point is ridiculous

[corndog]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Her husband cheating on her with consensual partners makes her a rape apologist? So confusing.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

The strongest candidate would've been Bloomberg. However he ran he would've been the winner but he doesn't want to deal with this crap.

I am constantly amazed at what little some people know.

[trixstar]

every Dem running in a race should be lining up a video of their opponent supporting Trump.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by corndog

I am constantly amazed at what little some people know.

Enlighten folks
Works better than belittling

[redsoxx11]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I think either Rubio or Kasich would have easily beaten Clinton.

Not a chance, they have nothing offer unless you're a Bush Jr. establishment republican

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Or you have someone who knows the loop holes and will close them.

i don't know that you need somebody that used the loopholes to close them, and i also don't believe somebody would close all the loopholes that have made them rich. Put me in office and i'll hire people that know the loopholes and get them closed. You almost need somebody that isn't rich to close those loopholes.

Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

That worked out super well for Obama recently when he vetoed the 9/11 bill and then McConnell and crew overrode the veto and blamed him for the crap in it.

that whole thing was a clown car of idiots. What really disappointed me was the democrats that voted to override the veto because of "optics". But yes, the Republican "defense" of the override was absolute dogshit garbage. You can't blame the man that vetoed the bill for why the bill is terrible.

Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

McConnell said, claiming that the White House failed to "communicate early about the potential consequences of a piece of legislation that was obviously very popular."

Translation: We didn't read, nor understand the potential consequences of this bill because the President didn't explain it to us even though he did veto it.

yeah, this. just plain silly. I proposed earlier that there should be a quiz after every bill that is voted through. Any senator that fails the quiz is removed from office for not reading the thing.

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Both are pathological liars - check

Hillary's camp, especially Kaine, keep saying the same two lines, tax returns and Russia likes Trump - check

Strong the blinders are with this one.


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believe me, i noticed how Kaine was a broken record during the debate. I've seen that apparently that was a part of the plan, to make Pence defend Trump (which is impossible). If that WAS the plan, it was brilliant.

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Clinton is exactly what is wrong with our Government. People want change, but keep voting for these crooks.

I agree- people do want change. Trump wasn't the best person for that change (Go Sanders).

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

He speaks his mind and is not scripted. I believe he will get more done in 4 years then Clinton has in 30.

more done, as in more Nukes sent everywhere. no thanks. I prefer my wars mildly cold, not hot or nuclear winter cold.

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm not sure that Trump is going to take as big a hit for his comments as some are insinuating.

IMO, his biggest selling point is to those that are fed up with the govenment status quo. Comments (no matter how cringe-worthy) won't sway those folks.

Also, let's be real. If the media outlets went all-out to try and smear Clinton in the same fashion, they'd have a gold mine.

Then there's whatever the hell Assange has..

I agree- i don't think he takes as big as a hit from his base as people think from those comments. Which is scary.

Originally Posted by pac213up

The problem for Trump is "those folks" are not enough in numbers to get him elected. He needs to bring in more people, this will make it impossible. Also the GOP is pretty much going to ensure he does not get elected at this point. They will do as much damage control for the brand and regroup for 2020. That is certain. Even all of Clinton's scandals cannot save him now.

He was able to ride the "White Wave" through the primary, but those people definitely are not numerous enough to carry a general election themselves.

Now that they HAVE ridden that wave, that party is in complete disarray and split more than ever (even more than when the Tea Party phenomenon happened years ago). I thought the Dems were fractured between the Sanders lefties (myself) and the establishment Clinton supporters, but they have generally mended fences. Now, it may be that mending happened because they are scared to death of Trump.

Originally Posted by pac213up

It is clearer than ever that blue dog dems and moderate Repubs need to unite and form a real third party to fly this ship. The right and left wings are broken.

also know as the establishment? haha. I agree, there needs to be a new centrist party. I would love something more than a 2 party system though, along with ranked-choice voting if we're wishing for things. That would definitely give 3rd party candidates a chance because the "wasted vote" mentality would disappear.

Originally Posted by atoaz12

But he has no plan
That's my concern. He can't tell anyone how.
It's very easy to say 'this needs to happen!'
How are we implementing it, boss?

I'm convinced he didn't think he'd get this far. It's snowballed on him and all of a sudden he's the GOP nominated candidate.

The idea was to advance his brand, but it's gone the other direction

I'm voting for neither candidate. Can't justify either

the lack of plans really scared open-minded voters away. I was one of them, having lost my primary race with Sanders. I don't like Clinton, but her plans make more sense than the ones Trump has put forth and then flopped a few times.

Originally Posted by mwash1983

You know who might come out of this looking the best is Kasich...

maybe. At least he looks the smartest, but not bending the knee and joining Trump.

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Unfortunately it is too late. Looking back I do wish America would have chosen someone else. Trump was doomed due to the media from the get go.

I seriously believe either Bush, Rubio, Kasich, or #@#@#@#@, even Cruz (even though I absolutely despise him) would win this race handily. Shoot, if they threw Romney in right this instant the race becomes a toss up for me.

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Fox News just had an interview with a Trump supporter (male) and a Clinton supporter (female). The Clinton supporter started to openly weep on air over the comments Trump made. I can't even imagine how a woman who has suffered sexual harassment or sexual assault feels knowing that this man might reach the Oval Office.

Once again, the GOP base played with fire with Trump. They fell for the wall, the law and order, the bravado, all of it. Your stuck with him now. When he looses, you have nobody to blame but yourselves (those who voted for him). You should have known better, you didn't. Now, shut up for the next four years. You had your chance and you blew it.

tears were dramatic, but i don't doubt the feelings. i also agree with the bolded.

Originally Posted by patchgenie

i like kasich more than trump, but don't think he is that great overall. it was just a lot of poor candidates to choose from this year. no one likes scott walker, carly, rubio, ted cruz that much. i'd pick trump over those guys if i had to choose. i always thought romney would be the strongest contender if he entered.

I think Rubio 4 years ago had a lot of crossover appeal. But then again, so did Christie 4 years ago when I thought he was positioning himself for a run, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.

Romney definitely would have had a good chance, but there's just something about people not wanting to give a candidate another chance after losing a general election. As Trump would say "what a loser".

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So now Pence has even come out and said that what Trump said is horrible and offensive. The VP candidate is against it but the people here are saying no big deal.

Trump had his opportunity last night to apologize and take ownership of what he said. Instead he basically said "I'm sorry but Bill was way worse". That is not a President. The stuff here BLOWS MY MIND.

I am not defending him. What he said in 2005 was wrong.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Enlighten folks
Works better than belittling

He does it all the time. It can be hard dealing with folk who aren't as smart as you are. (Not you, literally.)

[exitmusicblue]

Get yer rescue boats off the Trumptanic, ladies and gentlemen !! Ladies beware tic tacs and groping hands !

[chezball]

Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

Get yer rescue boats off the Trumptanic, ladies and gentlemen !! Ladies beware tic tacs and groping hands !

Hitting the sauce early today.

[trixstar]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0

Article on why Rebulicans are probably stuck with Trump and what might happen if he did step down.

[redsoxx11]

I'm going to see how many people in here (crying about Trump and what he said) have posted in the NSFW threads on this site.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by redsoxx11

I'm going to see how many people in here crying about Trump and what he said, have posted in the NSFW threads on this site.

Plenty of hypocrites, on both sides.

Pleased to say I've not posted in any of those threads. They do the site a disservice imo.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by trixstar

every Dem running in a race should be lining up a video of their opponent supporting Trump.

Yup...that is why you will see more and more backing off. Especially with the writing on the wall. It is all about saving face now.

[timber09]

Originally Posted by redsoxx11

I'm going to see how many people in here (crying about Trump and what he said) have posted in the NSFW threads on this site.

So you are saying that posters on a message board are held to the same standard as a Presidential Candidate? Makes sense.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by timber09

So you are saying that posters on a message board are held to the same standard as a Presidential Candidate? Makes sense.

He can speak f9r himself but I seriously doubt that is what he's saying. I too would be interested to see how many people are faux-offended by Trump's words but drool over fake tits and tattoos.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by redsoxx11

I'm going to see how many people in here (crying about Trump and what he said) have posted in the NSFW threads on this site.

Posting photos of women who willingly posed for photos =/= claiming to sexually assault women because you are famous and/or powerful.

[jarrodsalas]

I wonder if the women Donald was speaking of were bimbos and trailer trash?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

He can speak f9r himself but I seriously doubt that is what he's saying. I too would be interested to see how many people are faux-offended by Trump's words but drool over fake tits and tattoos.

Admiring a woman for her beauty is one thing. Women who willingly take those photos know what they are doing and are okay with it. A woman is who sexually assaulted against her will is not the same thing. Stop trying to make false comparisons.

It's not just his words, it's the fact that with the way he says them, it comes off like he has done it before. He is saying that with power and fame, comes the ability to assault women.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

Thanks for the info, assuming its accurate.

Ryan bet laid off. Pence backed at 120/1

Laid my Pence bet off at 75/1 so effectively got a free bet at 45/1.

Do the decent thing for once in your life, Trump!!

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Admiring a woman for her beauty is one thing. Women who willingly take those photos know what they are doing and are okay with it. A woman is who sexually assaulted against her will is not the same thing. Stop trying to make false comparisons.

It's not just his words, it's the fact that with the way he says them, it comes off like he has done it before. He is saying that with power and fame, comes the ability to assault women.

What woman said she was sexually assaulted by Trump?