2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I can feel the conservatives hatred

Taco Trucks Are Actually Registering Citizens to Vote in Texas and Arizona

I don't think conservatives hate when citizens register to vote.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by tke1600

I personally haven't met anyone or heard of anyone who reenects Old Testament stories to make them personal and to act out in violence in modern society because of them.

Maybe they should, since Jesus was quoting as saying that the Old Testament was law and should still be followed...

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19)

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

But wait, you say. Jesus came and wiped away the Old Testament laws... well...

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

So yeah, just because most Christians are sane and don't go around killing other people in the name of their religion, doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't instruct it's followers to do so.

FWIW, I also think Islam is a sh!t religion. I am most definitely non-biased when it comes to my hatred of religion.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by free2131

Maybe they should, since Jesus was quoting as saying that the Old Testament was law and should still be followed...

But wait, you say. Jesus came and wiped away the Old Testament laws... well...


“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

So yeah, just because most Christians are sane and don't go around killing other people in the name of their religion, doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't instruct it's followers to do so.

FWIW, I also think Islam is a sh!t religion. I am most definitely non-biased when it comes to my hatred of religion.

John 19:28After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. 29Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. 30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Oops.you must have missed the part where Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophesies. But nice try, and hey, kudos for at least admitting your rant was due to hating my religion.

[chezball]

Take the religious talk to the other thread.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

Take the religious talk to the other thread.

Dumb opinions belong in here.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by chezball

Take the religious talk to the other thread.

Hasn't been a good week for Obama and Clinton, hmm, let's talk religion to keep people from discussing the treasonous and illegal acts of the Democratic regime.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Hasn't been a good week for Obama and Clinton, hmm, let's talk religion to keep people from discussing the treasonous and illegal acts of the Democratic regime.

I read somewhere that Hillary is up to 81% likely to win now. Luckily she had a bad week or this thing would be over already.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Hasn't been a good week for Obama and Clinton, hmm, let's talk religion to keep people from discussing the treasonous and illegal acts of the Democratic regime.

right- because the small contingent of liberals on blowout are privy to and an important part of the campaign plan.

paranoia much?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

right- because the small contingent of liberals on blowout are privy to and an important part of the campaign plan.



paranoia much?

MUAHAHAHAHA WE'RE DISTRACTING EM GOOD!


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[awz50]

Who needs politics when you have Bacardi

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by awz50

Who needs politics when you have Bacardi

The Moet and Alize keep me pissy
Girls used to diss me
Now they write letters 'cause they miss me

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

MUAHAHAHAHA WE'RE DISTRACTING EM GOOD!


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we've been found out.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by Panthersfans

Oops.you must have missed the part where Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophesies.

Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away...

Last I checked, Earth is still here. Granted, I'm not sure about heaven. Also...

Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.

I don't remember reading in the news about the millions of Christians being raptured, the anti-Christ uniting the world in peace, or the Armageddon consuming the Earth in fire. I might have missed it, though.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Hasn't been a good week for Obama and Clinton, hmm, let's talk religion to keep people from discussing the treasonous and illegal acts of the Democratic regime.

Yeah terrible week for Obama. Must be why his approval rating continues to climb into the mid 50's. The Republican controlled congress on the other hand...not so much.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Yeah terrible week for Obama. Must be why his approval rating continues to climb into the mid 50's. The Republican controlled congress on the other hand...not so much.

Can you latch onto his balls any tighter? We haven't had a good President in 30 years.

[Brobocop]

I honestly think Obama could have been a good President. I think Clinton could make for a good President. The issue lies with us. So many of us are 100% unwilling to listen to an opposing viewpoint or even cede that we could be wrong. We use so many data points and articles that only support our viewpoint and never consider that there are other sources out there. There is nothing wrong with being liberal or conservative, there is something wrong with not being able to compromise or recognize that there is no such thing as being 100% right or wrong.

Our politicians reflect this. We argue with each other and go at each other so that's what they do too. They want to get reelected so they just echo what their base tells them. If a candidate steps out of line once, it's seen as this massive letdown. Take Chris Christie for example. Dude is trying to secure all the help he can get for New Jersey in light of Hurricane Sandy. President Obama visits him and they are photographed shaking hands. BOOM. CHRISTIE IS A TREE HUGGING LIBERAL!!!! All he was trying to do was help his people. He was punished for it. Explain that to me.

Long story short, the longer you feel that you are 100% right, the longer it'll be until we have an effective government.

[trixstar]

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...litary-2016-10

Keep in mind when you read this that when a foreign policy adviser met with Trump several months ago Trump asked him THREE times if they have nuclear weapons why can't we use them.

[jarrodsalas]

Unemployment up in September.

In other news...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-...214054242.html

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Unemployment up in September.

In other news...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-...214054242.html

Meanwhile, at totallyunbiased.com, watchdog-group-accuses-both-Clinton-and-Trump-campaigns-of-election-law-violations-but-presumably-due-to-lack-of-space-our-headline-only-mentions-Hillary

[atoaz12]

The best way I've heard the Old Testament vs. New Testament thing explained. Also remember that it is a historical piece of literature that shows how we got to what we believe. It developed
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'It’s pretty common these days for people to dismiss Christians as inconsistent because “they follow some of the rules in the Bible and ignore others.” The challenge usually sounds something like this: “When the Bible talks about certain sexual behaviors as sin, you quote that; but when it says not to eat shellfish or that you should execute people for breaking the Sabbath, you just ignore it. Aren’t you just picking and choosing what suits you best?”

I’ve found that this objection carries a lot of weight, and not just with non-Christians. Many Christians have a hard time answering it … which is why we just secretly hope it never comes up.

One of the most helpful ways to think about this is to look at the types of laws there are in the Old Testament. The 16th-century Reformer John Calvin saw that the NT seemed to treat the OT laws in three ways. There were Civil Laws, which governed the nation of Israel, encompassing not only behaviors, but also punishments for crimes. There were Ceremonial Laws about “clean” and “unclean” things, about various kinds of sacrifices, and other temple practices. And then there were the Moral Laws, which declared what God deemed right and wrong—the 10 Commandments, for instance.

For OT Israel, all three types of laws blended together. Breaking a civil or a ceremonial law was a moral problem; conversely, breaking a moral law had a civil (and often ceremonial) consequence. But they only went hand-in-hand because Israel was in a unique place historically, as both a nation and a worshiping community. “Separation of church and state” wasn’t one of their core tenets. That’s not the case for the Church today, so the way we view the Law would have to look different.

All of this helps explain what often seems contradictory about the NT view of the Law. On one hand, Jesus said the Law was perfect, that heaven and earth would pass away before the Law would fail (Matt 5:18). On the other hand, the Apostle Paul points out that those who are born again are actually released from the Law (Rom 7:1-6; Gal 3:25). As Jesus himself put it, he came to fulfill the Law (Matt 5:17).

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the Law? It means that every law pointed to him, and he completed everything they pointed to. Thinking of Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law helps us see why we keep some of the OT commands and “ignore” others.

The Civil Laws, for instance, were set up so the nation of Israel could thrive. Jesus actually emerged from this nation, but he started a new Israel—a spiritual Israel, the Church. We’re no longer bound by the civil codes of Leviticus because God doesn’t have a nation-state on earth anymore. Of course, we may wisely look at some of the principles in Israel’s civil laws as we think of our own societal politics (principles about public health, caring for the poor, etc.), but the specific rules were all fulfilled in Jesus.

The Ceremonial Laws illustrate for us God’s holiness, our unholiness, and what God would do about it. The entire sacrificial system should have ingrained into Israel’s minds just how large the gap was between sinful humanity and a perfect God—and just how costly it would be to bridge that gap. And as the book of Hebrews shows us, the sacrifices were all fulfilled in Jesus’ perfect life and death. If we accept Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice, we don’t need the lesser sacrifices anymore. In fact, it would actually be offensive to go back to them, because that would communicate that Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t sufficient.

The Moral Laws are fulfilled in Jesus as well, in that he kept all of them perfectly, every day, always, for his entire life. But unlike the civil and ceremonial laws, which were more time-bound, these laws reflected God’s assessment of good and evil, right and wrong. They reflect God’s character, and since his character doesn’t change, his views on morality don’t either. In fact, whenever Jesus mentioned the moral laws, he either reaffirmed them or intensified them! To follow Jesus is to love what he loved, including the moral law.

Now, even though we still defend the moral laws of the Old Testament, we have to keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled it all. The Christian is not under obligation to keep the moral law as a way of earning her way to God. Instead, she is changed by the presence of God’s Spirit to desire to keep God’s laws. Because God isn’t just after obedience; he’s after a whole new kind of obedience, an obedience that comes from love and delight in God. Christians keep the moral commands, not because “it’s the law,” but because they love God and want to be like him.

[preakness]

enough with the religion talk

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by preakness

enough with the religion talk

Seriously, I love fairy tales too but let's keep it to dumb politics in here.

[IndySportsCards]

We get the government we deserve.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

Meanwhile, at totallyunbiased.com, watchdog-group-accuses-both-Clinton-and-Trump-campaigns-of-election-law-violations-but-presumably-due-to-lack-of-space-our-headline-only-mentions-Hillary

Just trying to keep up with the theme around here.

Also....

But the Campaign Legal Center’s detailed 52-page complaint against Hillary for America and Correct the Record — part of the sprawling political empire run by Clinton backer David Brock — is likely to get special attention, given Clinton’s repeated advocacy of campaign finance reform. She has vowed to “curb the influence of big money in American politics” and to push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United — the controversial ruling that opened the door for groups such as Correct the Record to accept unlimited donations to benefit political candidates.

[trixstar]

I mean it's not like it's going to matter. Let's be honest anyone that crosses Clinton ends up dead anyway.