player investment potential

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

I think Beltre gets unfairly tagged as an "accumulator"...as if that's a bad thing.

Agreed..... ya know like over half the players in the HOF

[freudianslip]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I get the feeling a lot of people in this thread haven't glanced at Beltre's career numbers in a while. If he can stay healthy for a few more years you're looking at 500+ HR and 3400 hits.

Completely agree. Adrian Beltre is an absolute lock as a 1st ballot HOFer. With just 58 more hits, he will become the 31st member of the 3,000 hit club. He will also reach HR #450 and double #600 early next season (currently has 445 HR and 591 2B). Beltre has also won 4 gold gloves as well.

He is widely regarded as a great team leader/clubhouse guy and to my knowledge has never been linked to or suspected of PED use.

Don't take my word for it though. Cal Ripken Jr. stated recently that Beltre was likely the best 3rd baseman in the history of MLB:

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texa...-cal-ripken-jr

[Nyfancam01]

NONE.

Cano definitely should've stayed in New York

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

NONE.

Cano definitely should've stayed in New York

Yeah well .... we already knew that's what you thought

[jmsodpc]

i guess the masses have spoken..i will save my $300 and not get any of them.

thanks!

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by Ottomatic

Votto. One of the best bats ever, and good chance he goes to a big market soon. Cano seems stuck on Seattle though he is amazing.

Best bats ever? You mean literally his bat is one of the best bats ever?

[duwal]

Originally Posted by jmsodpc

i guess the masses have spoken..i will save my $300 and not get any of them.

thanks!

You can still get a collection if it is a personal collection and someone you want to collect but they just weren't good choices because of their age and how established they are in the league that their cards won't really increase in time for a profit

[jeterfan95]

Originally Posted by bwalter1

Not a lock for Cano and Beltre has a lot higher chance to make it to HOF

Have you looked at Cano's numbers lately? He still has a while to go before his career ends. Those numbers are only going to get better. He's going to end up holding virtually every record there is for a second baseman.

[jeterfan95]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

How is Cano a lock for the HOF and Beltre isn't?

Not that it's concrete, but Beltre is one of the rumored players on the Mitchell Report. Look it up for yourself. Whether or not it's true, just being mentioned as a possible name on that list is already a knock against him. Most voters take that stuff seriously. That's part of the reason it took Piazza several tries to get enough votes.

[jeeep]

I have to strongly disagree, Beltre is NOT a 1st ballot HOFamer. While 3000 hit and/or 500 homeruns used to be an automatic entry into the HOF, is isn't any more. Guys throw around "1st ballot HOF" like it was candy. Very good/great player, probably, subject to discussion. 19 years, only lead the league 3 times, HR once, hits once, and runs once. Looks like he will get there but playing 20+ years less than 25hr per year, 150 hits per year, i don't think he qualities as a "1st time " HOFamer. He might make it, probably, after 3/4 years on the ballot, maybe.

[smapdi]

I'd say Beltre cards are worth a look. They've already experienced huge growth in the past couple years as the "secret" of his HOF credentials have gotten out and his candidacy has gained quite a bit of legitimacy, where before it was usually a knee-jerk "no way."

On the negative side of his candidacy are no MVPs, very few league-leading stats in any major category, or minor ones for that matter, not having the "fame" part as a fairly under-the-radar Latino guy spending his whole career in Western divisions, and a fairly dark cloud of PEDs.

But in the end, going 3000/500 puts him in very elite company. He turns 38 at the start of next season, and is in great shape, and is under contract through 2018. It's not hard to imagine his playing past his 2 more contracted years, and being productive, even if his 2016 turns out to be yet another fluke year. As he hits these milestones in the coming year or three, those late to the party will want to get in, and his rarer 90s stuff could be fire.

[jeterfan95]

The Hall of Fame should've always been for the elite players. There are quite a few guys in there now that, in my opinion, don't belong there. It takes away from how special it is to be voted in.

[Donkaylove]

They will all be your scrub autos in immaculate in three years......

[sickmantz]

My concern with Beltre is that it seems like the market has already caught up with the fact that he's going to end up in the HOF. However, he is becoming more popular due to his antics on the field, but I don't know if that's enough to carry his prices further upward.

I also see a Pujols type risk here where he could be a shell of himself his last few years and people will forget how great he was.

I don't see any value in Cano.

Votto needs to stay healthy for most of the rest of his career, but he has the most upside.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

My concern with Beltre is that it seems like the market has already caught up with the fact that he's going to end up in the HOF. However, he is becoming more popular due to his antics on the field, but I don't know if that's enough to carry his prices further upward.

I also see a Pujols type risk here where he could be a shell of himself his last few years and people will forget how great he was.

I don't see any value in Cano.

Votto needs to stay healthy for most of the rest of his career, but he has the most upside.

Votto will most likely never come close to the numbers Beltre has already put up. 33 years old with 220 HR and 750 RBI? Doesn't really scream upside to me.

[PejaD]

Beltre is a HOF (perhaps not 1st ballot) if he retired today. Cano is a HOF with one or two more good years. Votto is a question mark; his defensive #'s really fell off recently and thinking he might be physically slowing dramatically

[bwalter1]

Originally Posted by jeterfan95

Have you looked at Cano's numbers lately? He still has a while to go before his career ends. Those numbers are only going to get better. He's going to end up holding virtually every record there is for a second baseman.

No telling when his career will end, and he is still not a lock atm like I stated. It can be revisited in 4 years.

[freudianslip]

Here's to hoping that Mr. Beltre winds up in Cooperstown:

[Firerunner4]

Awesome Beltres, older certified autos are so sweet

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by freudianslip

Here's to hoping that Mr. Beltre winds up in Cooperstown:

Handled!

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Votto will most likely never come close to the numbers Beltre has already put up. 33 years old with 220 HR and 750 RBI? Doesn't really scream upside to me.

The dude has the ability to get on base 45% of the time and hit 30 HRs. If he does that for a few years, that's the upside. He's got a career OPS over 950 - that's elite. His problem his entire career has been health and playing for a turd team. Upside doesn't mean certainty, though. And he's probably the highest risk of never reaching his upside of the three.

I just think he has MORE upside left in terms of value than the other two.