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cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnRyno

It's a good thing cruiser doesn't chair the House Committee on Veteran's Affairs.

"Thanks for your service, and tough break on the leg you had blown off in Fukmenistan, but we don't give handouts to the poor, unemployed, or people with no current value to the country."

Non-working, ABLE BODIED

The military members have done a great service and have made great sacrifices for this country. They deserve any support they require until the day they pass on.

Let's not twist the message I've spoken of for ages on here.

JohnRyno · 10-02-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Non-working, ABLE BODIED

The military members have done a great service and have made great sacrifices for this country. They deserve any support they require until the day they pass on.

Let's not twist the message I've spoken of for ages on here.

There are also countless "able bodied" Vets that are mentally ill addicts that "will ultimately relapse."

Panthersfans · 10-02-2016, 12:13 PM

Maybe all of the a trump haters will call him succesful once he's in office making his money how Hillary did.........selling off positions in the gov't in return for money.

cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRyno

There are also countless "able bodied" Vets that are mentally ill addicts that "will ultimately relapse."

After doing some reading, only 2.3 % of all US veterans have used an illicit drug at some point in life. Obviously, that's not to say they are useless addicts either.

I love how people take a huge problem like drug addiction, and play their weak haND on such a small percentage of the drug addicted.

Give it a rest, veterans are not the issue. And shame on you for acting as if a large number are drug addicted. Should be ashamed.

TheHeel · 10-02-2016, 02:50 PM

This is just an opinion piece. Interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/op...x-returns.html

JohnRyno · 10-02-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

After doing some reading, only 2.3 % of all US veterans have used an illicit drug at some point in life. Obviously, that's not to say they are useless addicts either.

I love how people take a huge problem like drug addiction, and play their weak haND on such a small percentage of the drug addicted.

Give it a rest, veterans are not the issue. And shame on you for acting as if a large number are drug addicted. Should be ashamed.

"According to the 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) Survey of Health Related Behaviors among Active Duty Military Personnel, just 2.3 percent of military personnel were past-month users of an illicit drug..."

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...se-in-military

"In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 1 in 10 returning soldiers seen in VA have a problem with alcohol or other drugs."

PTSD and Substance Abuse in Veterans - PTSD: National Center for PTSD

And that doesn't include the homeless and Vets that don't/can't seek treatment.

TheHeel · 10-02-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRyno

"According to the 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) Survey of Health Related Behaviors among Active Duty Military Personnel, just 2.3 percent of military personnel were past-month users of an illicit drug..."

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...se-in-military

"In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 1 in 10 returning soldiers seen in VA have a problem with alcohol or other drugs."

PTSD and Substance Abuse in Veterans - PTSD: National Center for PTSD

And that doesn't include the homeless and Vets that don't/can't seek treatment.

Thank you for researching the truth.

Addison · 10-02-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRyno

"According to the 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) Survey of Health Related Behaviors among Active Duty Military Personnel, just 2.3 percent of military personnel were past-month users of an illicit drug..."

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...se-in-military

"In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 1 in 10 returning soldiers seen in VA have a problem with alcohol or other drugs."

PTSD and Substance Abuse in Veterans - PTSD: National Center for PTSD

And that doesn't include the homeless and Vets that don't/can't seek treatment.

"Some reading".

cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRyno

"According to the 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) Survey of Health Related Behaviors among Active Duty Military Personnel, just 2.3 percent of military personnel were past-month users of an illicit drug..."

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...se-in-military

"In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 1 in 10 returning soldiers seen in VA have a problem with alcohol or other drugs."

PTSD and Substance Abuse in Veterans - PTSD: National Center for PTSD

And that doesn't include the homeless and Vets that don't/can't seek treatment.

So "a problem", which is undefined, can be categorized as an ongoing addiction?

You are using, at best, a 10% number to make your argument against the 90%. Add in that just 2% had any introduction before entering, odds would be in their favor of recovery

It reminds me of a silly argument in here about abortion where someone used less than 1% of cases to act as if it were a majority.

Or the one where someone said "most people" are against abortion. Fortunately, both were shown to be very false.

cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 03:54 PM

We could also add in that many psychologists feel PTSD is either over diagnosed and/or not real at all. Could it simply be an excuse for the poor habits mentioned above?

Ray27Ray52 · 10-02-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

We could also add in that many psychologists feel PTSD is either over diagnosed and/or not real at all. Could it simply be an excuse for the poor habits mentioned above?

Did you honestly just say that ptsd may not be real?

JohnRyno · 10-02-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

So "a problem", which is undefined, can be categorized as an ongoing addiction?

You are using, at best, a 10% number to make your argument against the 90%. Add in that just 2% had any introduction before entering, odds would be in their favor of recovery

It reminds me of a silly argument in here about abortion where someone used less than 1% of cases to act as if it were a majority.

Or the one where someone said "most people" are against abortion. Fortunately, both were shown to be very false.

Addiction diagnosis and assessment isn't an exact science. Quantifying a disease that cannot be detected through a blood test, x-ray, MRI, etc... is inherently problematic.

My broader argument was addressing your derisive rhetoric concerning recipients of public aid, while using the plight of Veterans as a specific example for the necessity, and validity, of social welfare programs.

I don't remember arguing with you about abortion, and don't understand its relevance to this topic.

JohnRyno · 10-02-2016, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Did you honestly just say that ptsd may not be real?

TheHeel · 10-02-2016, 04:51 PM

Guiliani was a great leader on 9-11 and the subsequent months. However; he really has gone bat crazy lately. Christie is just a crook.

Christie, Giuliani: Trump's Manipulation of Tax Law Shows 'Genius' - NBC News

I wouldn't say one of the richest men in the United States is genius for not paying tax. I think him more of a leech. Pay your workers, Trump.

cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Did you honestly just say that ptsd may not be real?

I said that many psychologists do not believe it is real. Check it out for yourself.

I for one believe that seeing the things soldiers see in combat can/would change anyone. I don't believe the mind is suited to see many of those atrocities.

cruiserdaddy7 · 10-02-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Guiliani was a great leader on 9-11 and the subsequent months. However; he really has gone bat crazy lately. Christie is just a crook.

Christie, Giuliani: Trump's Manipulation of Tax Law Shows 'Genius' - NBC News

I wouldn't say one of the richest men in the United States is genius for not paying tax. I think him more of a leech. Pay your workers, Trump.

I believe it further shows that the tax code needs to be re-written. I'm a huge fan of the consumption tax. This way, everyone pays. Rich buy more and will obviously pay more. Get rid of many of the credit etc, and you have a simple code where everyone pays their fair share.

Ray27Ray52 · 10-02-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

I said that many psychologists do not believe it is real. Check it out for yourself.

I for one believe that seeing the things soldiers see in combat can/would change anyone. I don't believe the mind is suited to see many of those atrocities.

I get that you didn't directly say it but why even bring it up. To think that there are some people out there who would deny it's existence simply enters the realm of bizarre.

VeedonFleece · 10-02-2016, 06:19 PM

Only 1 in 45 veterans ever used drugs and PTSD is a figment of that one guy in 45's drug-fuelled imagination.

Might make that my signature.

exitmusicblue · 10-02-2016, 06:43 PM

F Trump, any idiot can do what he did to make money then get off the hook for hundreds of millions in taxes.

Those paying 40%-ish when he gets to do that is horse piss.

sjscout · 10-02-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

F Trump, any idiot can do what he did to make money then get off the hook for hundreds of millions in taxes.

Those paying 40%-ish when he gets to do that is horse piss.

u consider that an idiot?

exitmusicblue · 10-02-2016, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sjscout

u consider that an idiot?

whuttt u think lulzzzzzzz

Pile of trash and feces, the savior that'll make everything better.

sjscout · 10-02-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

whuttt u think lulzzzzzzz

Pile of trash and feces, the savior that'll make everything better.

u proved yourself!

exitmusicblue · 10-02-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sjscout

u proved yourself!

xoxoxoxo

exitmusicblue · 10-02-2016, 07:01 PM

When historians write about this election, this will be considered a turning point...

If Trump were to win in some alternate universe, he'd crack up at his voters for voting for him then toss them some spare change. Laugh all the way to the bank.

sjscout · 10-02-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

xoxoxoxo

you have had a lot of drinks

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Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
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10-02-2016, 04:51 PM	#7089
TheHeel Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15,838	Guiliani was a great leader on 9-11 and the subsequent months. However; he really has gone bat crazy lately. Christie is just a crook. Christie, Giuliani: Trump's Manipulation of Tax Law Shows 'Genius' - NBC News I wouldn't say one of the richest men in the United States is genius for not paying tax. I think him more of a leech. Pay your workers, Trump. __________________ 48,230, 52,879, 40,400, 4,780 Pending Deals:

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10-02-2016, 06:19 PM	#7093
VeedonFleece Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The 01246 Posts: 3,896 veedonfleece	Only 1 in 45 veterans ever used drugs and PTSD is a figment of that one guy in 45's drug-fuelled imagination. Might make that my signature.

10-02-2016, 06:43 PM	#7094
exitmusicblue Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14,028	F Trump, any idiot can do what he did to make money then get off the hook for hundreds of millions in taxes. Those paying 40%-ish when he gets to do that is horse piss.

10-02-2016, 07:01 PM	#7099
exitmusicblue Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14,028	When historians write about this election, this will be considered a turning point... If Trump were to win in some alternate universe, he'd crack up at his voters for voting for him then toss them some spare change. Laugh all the way to the bank.