2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[zachtruitt]

Carson should stick to medicine. He may be the worst attempted politician in quite some time. At least David Duke won an election.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

Carson should stick to medicine. He may be the worst attempted politician in quite some time. At least David Duke won an election.

Agree on the Carson part.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

Carson should stick to medicine. He may be the worst attempted politician in quite some time. At least David Duke won an election.

Well I understand what you are saying. My thought on why I liked him was more because of his demeanor and attitude though. He may have posed as a bad politician but , like Trump and Fiorina they aren't supposed to be politicians, they are outsiders. Which is an interesting thought because Trump has gotten a fair smearing over the first debate but people have forgotten he is not a politician.

Anyway back to Carson, the guy has a genuinely good heart and loves people and his country. No denying that. Could he have done the job? I'm not sure but I'd have voted for him if he made it far enough.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by chezball

So the 33k missing e-mails don't bother you? Thirteen blackberries were destroyed and five ipads not to mention everyone taking the 5th except one person when questioned by Congress.

I know this is not directed at me, but no, this honestly does not bother me. You think she is the only one to do something like this? You think that she is alone in terms of being a corrupt politician? She isn't. What's different about her is that this is the age of a 24 hour news cycle that is buoyed by the fact that everyone is at each other's throats. Watch Fox, they talk about the emails 24/7. Watch MSNBC and they barely mention it. Take out the emails and insert any other scandal and it'll look exactly the same in terms of how the stations cover it. One will cover up, one will go on nonstop about it.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I know this is not directed at me, but no, this honestly does not bother me. You think she is the only one to do something like this? You think that she is alone in terms of being a corrupt politician? She isn't. What's different about her is that this is the age of a 24 hour news cycle that is buoyed by the fact that everyone is at each other's throats. Watch Fox, they talk about the emails 24/7. Watch MSNBC and they barely mention it. Take out the emails and insert any other scandal and it'll look exactly the same in terms of how the stations cover it. One will cover up, one will go on nonstop about it.

The difference is she's running for president, the e-mails were destroyed while under subpoena to turn over all her e-mails. Key word there is "ALL"

[zachtruitt]

I think Bill Gates would be a good politician. Obvious business savvy, a record of huge charitable donations, dealings in international trade, hopefully above being bought by special interests, high intelligence.

[zachtruitt]

And please note that I despise David Duke and all that he represents.
Carson is, by all accounts, a great person and a world class surgeon. I have seen him speak in person and he is an atrocious public speaker. I just don't think he would be a good President.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

People simply do not like Hillary. Unlike Trump, Hillary has a political record to examine. Lies, fraud, and corruption surround her and the Clinton Foundation. Add in her failures as Secretary of State in the middle east.

THATS why Hillary has nowhere to go but down from here.

That would make sense except for the fact that Trump has a higher unfavorable rating than Clinton by a fair margin.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by chezball

So the 33k missing e-mails don't bother you? Thirteen blackberries were destroyed and five ipads not to mention everyone taking the 5th except one person when questioned by Congress.

Yes it bothers me. But not as much as you think it should. Having been an officer in the military whose primary mission was anti-terrorism I know for a fact that there is information that the average civilian should not have, should never have, and should never even know exists. Her level of secrecy is astonishing (the whole pneumonia thing was more proof of that), at the same time we are living in an age of instant gratification, instant news, and a massive lack of privacy never before seen in the history of the world.

Does it bother me that she destroyed emails while under subpoena? Yes. Does it bother me that staffers are pleading the 5th? Yes, though the caveat is that they are invoking a right guaranteed to them via the constitution.

What bothers me more is that Trump has much worse skeletons in his closet.

He's donated to AG's at a time when it's convenient that Trump U was being investigated. Trump U was a monstrous scam that Trump directly participated in. For all the scandal surrounding Hillary's foundation, there much more serious issues with Trumps Foundation. Using money to pay off potential lawsuits, purchases that are just insane and went into Trump properties, etc.

Let me reiterate. I do not like Hillary. But I am absolutely afraid of what will happen should Trump become President. I firmly believe that he would destabilize the US economy, the world economy, lower our ability to cooperate with other countries, and be easily manipulated.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

People simply do not like Hillary. Unlike Trump, Hillary has a political record to examine. Lies, fraud, and corruption surround her and the Clinton Foundation. Add in her failures as Secretary of State in the middle east.

THATS why Hillary has nowhere to go but down from here.

But whats weird is hardly any of that was brought up in the debate, and Trump still came out ahead. I guess "change" is on the Republican side this election.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by Panthersfans

Really I agree with this. I didn't comment on the debate yet because honestly I was soaking it in and didn't really know who to say won it. I have said all along for the most part I'm backing Trump because he is an outsider and I'm standing with that. I don't think he was or is the best for the job ( really I loved Carson) but I'd like to think the results are showing many feel the same way as me, they are sick of politicians, both democrat and republican.

I think you're right. The "change" factor is now on the Republican side.

[cardsrus1]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Yes it bothers me. But not as much as you think it should. Having been an officer in the military whose primary mission was anti-terrorism I know for a fact that there is information that the average civilian should not have, should never have, and should never even know exists. Her level of secrecy is astonishing (the whole pneumonia thing was more proof of that), at the same time we are living in an age of instant gratification, instant news, and a massive lack of privacy never before seen in the history of the world.

Does it bother me that she destroyed emails while under subpoena? Yes. Does it bother me that staffers are pleading the 5th? Yes, though the caveat is that they are invoking a right guaranteed to them via the constitution.

What bothers me more is that Trump has much worse skeletons in his closet.

He's donated to AG's at a time when it's convenient that Trump U was being investigated. Trump U was a monstrous scam that Trump directly participated in. For all the scandal surrounding Hillary's foundation, there much more serious issues with Trumps Foundation. Using money to pay off potential lawsuits, purchases that are just insane and went into Trump properties, etc.

Let me reiterate. I do not like Hillary. But I am absolutely afraid of what will happen should Trump become President. I firmly believe that he would destabilize the US economy, the world economy, lower our ability to cooperate with other countries, and be easily manipulated.

Trump's issues are skirting laws/regulations as a business man, Hillery's are issues of breaking the law as a politician. There is a huge difference. I would also advise to find a more credible source to read the real details of Trump's issues. Not saying he was correct in his dealings, they are not as the clinton news network will report. Also the numbers of Trump foundation improper charity contributions does not even come close to the one known payoff related to the clinton foundation pay for play.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by cardsrus1

Trump's issues are skirting laws/regulations as a business man, Hillery's are issues of breaking the law as a politician. There is a huge difference. I would also advise to find a more credible source to read the real details of Trump's issues. Not saying he was correct in his dealings, they are not as the clinton news network will report. Also the numbers of Trump foundation improper charity contributions does not even come close to the one known payoff related to the clinton foundation pay for play.

Justifying what Trump has done by saying he did it as a business man is all well and good, except he is not running to be President of the Businessman of America. Everything he did up to this point is an indication of his character and how he would represent America as the President.

I would also suggest you do a little more fact checking.

Which one known payoff are you referring to in the Clinton foundation scandal? I'd like to address it directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dc7_story.html

there's a nice source of where I get some of my information regarding the scandals surrounding the Trump Foundation. The Trump campaign has had ample opportunity and was even sent a detailed list of questions by the Post. So far no comment besides to say the report is full of inaccuracies and omissions while pointing to none.

You like to say that CNN is the Clinton news network and I would tend to agree. Most news outlets are monstrously biased in their coverage. At the same time when you have news organizations who have been staunchly Republican for generations now backing a Democrat who is probably the most disliked and least trusted Democratic candidate in modern history, you have to ask yourself what is going on.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Justifying what Trump has done by saying he did it as a business man is all well and good, except he is not running to be President of the Businessman of America. Everything he did up to this point is an indication of his character and how he would represent America as the President.

I would also suggest you do a little more fact checking.

Which one known payoff are you referring to in the Clinton foundation scandal? I'd like to address it directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dc7_story.html

there's a nice source of where I get some of my information regarding the scandals surrounding the Trump Foundation. The Trump campaign has had ample opportunity and was even sent a detailed list of questions by the Post. So far no comment besides to say the report is full of inaccuracies and omissions while pointing to none.

You like to say that CNN is the Clinton news network and I would tend to agree. Most news outlets are monstrously biased in their coverage. At the same time when you have news organizations who have been staunchly Republican for generations now backing a Democrat who is probably the most disliked and least trusted Democratic candidate in modern history, you have to ask yourself what is going on.

Which ones have have moved over?

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by irfuji

I firmly believe that he would destabilize the US economy, the world economy, lower our ability to cooperate with other countries, and be easily manipulated.

So you don't think Congress would keep him in check?

[cardsrus1]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Justifying what Trump has done by saying he did it as a business man is all well and good, except he is not running to be President of the Businessman of America. Everything he did up to this point is an indication of his character and how he would represent America as the President.

I would also suggest you do a little more fact checking.

Which one known payoff are you referring to in the Clinton foundation scandal? I'd like to address it directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dc7_story.html

there's a nice source of where I get some of my information regarding the scandals surrounding the Trump Foundation. The Trump campaign has had ample opportunity and was even sent a detailed list of questions by the Post. So far no comment besides to say the report is full of inaccuracies and omissions while pointing to none.

You like to say that CNN is the Clinton news network and I would tend to agree. Most news outlets are monstrously biased in their coverage. At the same time when you have news organizations who have been staunchly Republican for generations now backing a Democrat who is probably the most disliked and least trusted Democratic candidate in modern history, you have to ask yourself what is going on.

Next thing you will be saying the NY Times is a credible source...

CNN has always been and always be part of the liberal machine.

I never justified what Trump did, just pointed out that the context does mater. What you are not sharing is that Trump made charitable contributions through the foundation, when they should have been made personally. You are also not sharing that he was fined for doing so. This is clearly different than pay to play that is an ongoing clinton issue. I would love to see your "credible" source put the same effort into the clinton slush fund that they are continually putting into Trump dirt. Maybe they can have Soros fund that, just tell him that Hillary is really Jewish.

[jstephens24]

Anyone find it weird that Obama vetoed the 9/11 bill? And then the senate had to vote to override him?

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by irfuji

What bothers me more is that Trump has much worse skeletons in his closet.

I again will say Trump is an idiot, however, please tell me what Trump has done that lead to US citizens being tortured and murdered. He didn't pay a contractor every penny, worse then torture and murder? He (unproven yet) didn't pay all of his taxes, worse then torture and murder? He called Rosie a fat pig, worse then torture and murder?

Please, as an ex-officer in the military, tell me how our ex-Secretary of State's actions weren't as bad as what is lurking in the Donald's closet. Hell, forget all that other stuff, you're telling me anything Donald has done or been accused of (still unproven) is worse then Hillary destroying evidence, and your rational behind it is "she's not the first one to do it". Classic Democrat logic there, meh it's not the first time and won't be the last, sweep it under the rug and forget about it.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Justifying what Trump has done by saying he did it as a business man is all well and good, except he is not running to be President of the Businessman of America. Everything he did up to this point is an indication of his character and how he would represent America as the President.

I would also suggest you do a little more fact checking.

Which one known payoff are you referring to in the Clinton foundation scandal? I'd like to address it directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dc7_story.html

there's a nice source of where I get some of my information regarding the scandals surrounding the Trump Foundation. The Trump campaign has had ample opportunity and was even sent a detailed list of questions by the Post. So far no comment besides to say the report is full of inaccuracies and omissions while pointing to none.

You like to say that CNN is the Clinton news network and I would tend to agree. Most news outlets are monstrously biased in their coverage. At the same time when you have news organizations who have been staunchly Republican for generations now backing a Democrat who is probably the most disliked and least trusted Democratic candidate in modern history, you have to ask yourself what is going on.

That one is fairly easy. This year's election is more about the established way of politics vs. a newcomer that threatens how things are done than it is Republican vs. Democrat. The media puts out Trump hit piece after Trump hit piece, and they're moving so fast to churn them out they trip over their own feet. Why do you think mostly everything against Trump from the MSM is a personal jab? He scares the hell out of the folks that own the media conglomerates, so they attack him personally, out of fear, and hope the public blindly eats it up. So far, it's seemed to have the opposite effect.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Which ones have have moved over?

Dallas Morning News broke a 75 year tradition and backed Hillary.

The Arizona Republic, which hasn't backed a Democratic candidate since 1890 has now backed Hillary.

Cincinnati Enquirer, has supported Republicans for almost a century, backs Hillary.

'Arizona Republic' not the only paper breaking GOP streak to endorse Clinton

[HillbillyCletus]

If you're voting for Hillary simply to be "part of history" (once again), at least have the fortitude to admit that's the reason you're voting for her.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

So you don't think Congress would keep him in check?

Yes they would. However, the President still wields enormous influence world wide. Everything he or she says is analyzed dissected and interpreted both here and abroad. Congress and the House can keep the damage down but that doesn't excuse the fact that no damage should have been caused in the first place.

Originally Posted by cardsrus1

Next thing you will be saying the NY Times is a credible source...

CNN has always been and always be part of the liberal machine.

I never justified what Trump did, just pointed out that the context does mater. What you are not sharing is that Trump made charitable contributions through the foundation, when they should have been made personally. You are also not sharing that he was fined for doing so. This is clearly different than pay to play that is an ongoing clinton issue. I would love to see your "credible" source put the same effort into the clinton slush fund that they are continually putting into Trump dirt. Maybe they can have Soros fund that, just tell him that Hillary is really Jewish.

You are right context does matter. Trump directed payments for appearances to his foundation. Not necessarily illegal, at the same time without the context of his tax returns we do not know if he followed the law and paid taxes on that income as he was supposed to. I don't know what context can be given to directing funds donated to the charity to payoff lawsuits against Trump and Trump businesses could be, but (and I say this without sarcasm) if there is some I am open to hearing it.

The news can and is 100% biased. I agree. The problem is that what they report is and can be proven to be false they open themselves up to liable. So if proof exists that what they are saying is false and untrue, again without sarcasm, I am open to hearing/reading/seeing it. I like to look at both sides of the coin.

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

I again will say Trump is an idiot, however, please tell me what Trump has done that lead to US citizens being tortured and murdered. He didn't pay a contractor every penny, worse then torture and murder? He (unproven yet) didn't pay all of his taxes, worse then torture and murder? He called Rosie a fat pig, worse then torture and murder?

Please, as an ex-officer in the military, tell me how our ex-Secretary of State's actions weren't as bad as what is lurking in the Donald's closet. Hell, forget all that other stuff, you're telling me anything Donald has done or been accused of (still unproven) is worse then Hillary destroying evidence, and your rational behind it is "she's not the first one to do it". Classic Democrat logic there, meh it's not the first time and won't be the last, sweep it under the rug and forget about it.

Here's my viewpoint. Trump has said a few things that are astonishingly worrying from a military standpoint. Claiming to know more than the Generals and Admirals of our armed services and what I've seen of his ego does not fill me with confidence he will listen to those who know how to make the hard decision. How to understand that sometimes you must sacrifice the lives of a few to save the lives of many. His comments about giving Japan and South Korea nuclear weapons will do nothing but inflame and destabilize what tenuous relationship we have with China and could be the final straw that breaks the mind of the madman sitting in North Korea. I worry that Hillary will make mistakes that cost more Americans their lives. However, I worry that the mistakes Trump will make will be amplified by his ego and result in significantly more lives lost than a mistake that Hillary may make.

Originally Posted by rman112

That one is fairly easy. This year's election is more about the established way of politics vs. a newcomer that threatens how things are done than it is Republican vs. Democrat. The media puts out Trump hit piece after Trump hit piece, and they're moving so fast to churn them out they trip over their own feet. Why do you think mostly everything against Trump from the MSM is a personal jab? He scares the hell out of the folks that own the media conglomerates, so they attack him personally, out of fear, and hope the public blindly eats it up. So far, it's seemed to have the opposite effect.

That is one interpretation. There have been some god awful Republican candidates that were still backed primarily because they were Republican. But I can concede that there can be multiple interpretations and reasons here.

Honestly, I wish we could move past the personal stuff and focus on policy.

[NeilCO]

Not saying people are wrong, but where are people seeing that Trump won the debate? Scientific polls, or just online polls? I saw an article saying Trump is touting unscientific polls, but scientific polls with more representative data/demographics show Clinton getting a bump. Just a random article on Twitter from a source I don't know, so no idea if accurate.


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[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Here's my viewpoint. Trump has said a few things that are astonishingly worrying from a military standpoint. Claiming to know more than the Generals and Admirals of our armed services and what I've seen of his ego does not fill me with confidence he will listen to those who know how to make the hard decision. How to understand that sometimes you must sacrifice the lives of a few to save the lives of many. His comments about giving Japan and South Korea nuclear weapons will do nothing but inflame and destabilize what tenuous relationship we have with China and could be the final straw that breaks the mind of the madman sitting in North Korea. I worry that Hillary will make mistakes that cost more Americans their lives. However, I worry that the mistakes Trump will make will be amplified by his ego and result in significantly more lives lost than a mistake that Hillary may make.

You made a clear statement that Donald has more skeletons in his closet then Hillary. Again, what are those skeletons that are worse than what Hillary has already done? All you did was deflect to "From a military standpoint he scares me". OK, so his words scare you and his words are worse then what Hillary did, that's what you are flip flopping to now? I find it amazing that someone with your background is more scared of someone's words then what has already happened, you of all people should know that his words mean nothing in the military world. I mean come on, lets be honest, if someone's words scared the military so bad, that turd in North Korea would be dead already, right?

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Not saying people are wrong, but where are people seeing that Trump won the debate? Scientific polls, or just online polls? I saw an article saying Trump is touting unscientific polls, but scientific polls with more representative data/demographics show Clinton getting a bump. Just a random article on Twitter from a source I don't know, so no idea if accurate.


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All the online polls where the people voted had trump winning, while all the networks and pundits had Clinton winning. Anything you read from a journalist will claim the online polls with 100,000's of votes by the people are "not credible".