2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'll anxiously await a left leaning person to put up a 16 minute video showing Trump supporters doing the same thing the folks in that 16+ minute video were doing.

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Time length is of importance? I mean, some of the clips in that are footage running in slow motion and killing time...and much of it is from the same events just different clips taking up time as well. And some of it isn;t even clear its from a political event, just quick clips of people punching at people without any context as to who potentially started what or what it is about. Whoever has the longest video of people being jerks wins the points! Score! Score!

Again though, all those violent people, what makes them a left leaning issue that left leaning people are being called out on in this thread for not commenting on it? Maybe they're Ted Cruz supporters, maybe they're the Ivana Trump fan club, maybe they are angry non-democrat folks that don't want to be deported, maybe they're anarchist leaning!

[Astros19]

Maybe some folks don't like to see things for what they are.

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[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Maybe some folks don't like to see things for what they are.

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If you're going to "see" things, I say see things proven as fact, see the truth, don't just "wing it" off Youtube videos where full context and truth are not going to be presented at all times...especially not in large chaotic protests where two sides are both taunting one another. Whoa a part of my post accidentally got deleted, it said something like: Heck the one clip IS the anti-trump protestor being pepper sprayed. She's 15, she says the old guy groped her, She is grabbed at by more, she then strikes out, should left leaning folks come on here and say how a 15 year old KID should act when being taunted, possibly sexually assualted? That video snipped all of that out so you couldn't "see" it. Or maybe if you saw it you'd just assume she's a liar who deserved it because she's anti-trump? That video showed it all soooo clear. < sarcasm.

[Anderdale]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I was speechless. Disgusting and deplorable. Luckily they don't know what a polling station is so they probably won't make it November 8th.

Just think, in 4 years there will be twice as many. In 8 years sensible people will be outnumbered by these crazys. The youth today is mind blowing. The end must be near. Whether your left or right Christian or not Christian, why aren't any morals being taught anymore? Parents are to blame I guess.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

If you're going to "see" things, I say see things proven as fact, see the truth, don't just "wing it" off Youtube videos where full context and truth are not going to be presented at all times...especially not in large chaotic protests where two sides are both taunting one another. Whoa a part of my post accidentally got deleted, it said something like: Heck the one clip IS the anti-trump protestor being pepper sprayed. She's 15, she says the old guy groped her, She is grabbed at by more, she then strikes out, should left leaning folks come on here and say how a 15 year old KID should act when being taunted, possibly sexually assualted? That video snipped all of that out so you couldn't "see" it. Or maybe if you saw it you'd just assume she's a liar who deserved it because she's anti-trump? That video showed it all soooo clear. < sarcasm.

You just keep on thinking the animals in the videos are conservatives, I'll just keep thinking you're delusional.


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[TheHeel]

In every race, religion, political affiliation, etc., there are fanatics and lunatics. Clinton supporters, Trump supporters, the very few Johnson supporters; they all have some that are overboard.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

Well, one can find videos of people doing stupid stuff or being violent in the name of most anything on the Internet....including Trump supporters punching people.

To comment or have an opinion on the video, it's clips of all sorts of different incidences, how the heck would anyone know why anyone in the videos is doing what they are doing unless they were specifically there and heard and saw all that transpired..the video itself is presented and accompanied with a specific narrative.. How do you know THAT is what is happening in the different videos? For all you know, seconds before, some of the people being attacked ran around slapping people on the butts yelling, "Fight me, bro! Fight me, Bro!"

One section of the video, set to heavy metal guitar riffs for added effect, is literally people beating candy out of a pinata ha ha ha isn't that what you're supposed to do with those? OMG they tore that PINATA apart viciously? Then they ate its candy guts! Savages! I assume the Pinata was a Trump supporter?


Wow welcome to the new America? The America where people are rooting for political parties like they are going to get anything out of it, like they're on "the team," I figure if you're not getting paid by the polticial party you're not on the team....latching on to this or that, he said, she said, they did this, and THEY did that....is mostly reality show crap...


What exactly do you want a left leaning person to come and comment about it? You want them to try and spin it? You want them to try and justify it for an easy argument for you? Awww, darn it, you had them so dead to rights, "Oh, look what they said, they said they condone violence, point for my team! Muwahahahahah. Oh yeahhhhh so many points!"

"It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club."

[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by Astros19

You just keep on thinking the animals in the videos are conservatives, I'll just keep thinking you're delusional.


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I never said I think they're conservatives. I said maybe they are this or that in regards to how people are making odd political call-outs and judgments based on videos that don't give the whole picture or the answers they are jumping to. I don't know any of them (that I know of) I have no clue who they are or what exactly drives them to act like that.

Though, some of the clips were actually a part of what was a protest by illegal aliens opposing how Trump labeled them. Many of those familes are actually quite "conservative" and religious with strong Catholic ties.

Donald Trump himself is probably not a "conservative" ha ha

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

To be fair, he answered that question for a millionth time.

What was his answer? I missed it the first million times

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

I'm going to quote Cuban here before he realized how much attention he'd get by playing the other side and I agree with this 1000%.



Full article here just for the source - Cuban - My taxes are none of your business

That said, Trump shouldn't release his taxes, period. Do what Rudy suggested - no more debates. The media is making a killing off him when he does the debates. Too much bias and bs going on to have a fair one.

Not saying in any way that Trump would make a better President or do a better job, but I know the only interest Hillary has is filling her own pockets.

So Trump is more interested in filling other people's pockets? Is that why he wasn't paying some of his staff, because of his generosity? Trump's actual wealth has been questioned many times in the past, before this run for office. The great businessman might just be a great con man for all we know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-tax-returns/

[Brobocop]

You know what I would love to see, for all of those here who have bashed and bashed and bashed the other side, to now say five, genuinely nice and positive things about the other side. I mean, we are at each other's throats which is what those in power want us to do. It helps them maintain power and control.

We are so addicted to the two party system because it's easy and we like easy. Hate the other side, love your side. Easy. Three choices? Four choices? FIVE CHOICES? Too many. My brain hurts having to think about making a hard choice. Having to actually research for more than 40 seconds. To have to question what my real priorities are. No, we like to say you're either pro- this or pro- that. Easy. No shades of grey. Just black and white.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

Well, one can find videos of people doing stupid stuff or being violent in the name of most anything on the Internet....including Trump supporters punching people.

To comment or have an opinion on the video, it's clips of all sorts of different incidences, how the heck would anyone know why anyone in the videos is doing what they are doing unless they were specifically there and heard and saw all that transpired..the video itself is presented and accompanied with a specific narrative. How do you know THAT is what is happening in the different videos? For all you know, seconds before, some of the people being attacked ran around slapping people on the butts yelling, "Fight me, bro! Fight me, Bro!"

One section of the video, set to heavy metal guitar riffs for added effect, is literally people beating candy out of a pinata ha ha ha isn't that what you're supposed to do with those? OMG they tore that PINATA apart viciously? Then they ate its candy guts! Savages! I assume the Pinata was a Trump supporter?


Wow welcome to the new America? The America where people are rooting for political parties like they are going to get anything out of it, like they're on "the team," I figure if you're not getting paid by the polticial party you're not on the team....latching on to this or that, he said, she said, they did this, and THEY did that....is mostly reality show crap...


What exactly do you want a left leaning person to come and comment about it? You want them to try and spin it? You want them to try and justify it for an easy argument for you? Awww, darn it, you had them so dead to rights , "Oh, look what they said, they said they condone violence, point for my team! Muwahahahahah. Oh yeahhhhh so many points!"

I think I was able to pick out your point, the rest was whiny fluff.

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

Is violence against people horrible? Pretty much. But my response was to the query of why aren't left leaning people commenting on the video on this here forum thread. Which is basically, what would be the point? How is left leaning people not commenting on such a thing "meaning" anything, just like the video means nothing in the grand scheme of things because being jerks and violent is universal amongst humans of all "leanings."

I got ya. Again, got your point fully.

But hey, at least it's an honest response.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by Astros19

You're correct on one thing, it should have been Bernie Sanders complaining about rigged elections.

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Bernie isn't/wasn't going to complain because he cashed a check. No matter what "movement" his campaign claimed to be creating......at the end of the day he proved he's just another career politician who can be bought for the right price.

I can all but guarantee you if she's elected, Bernie will find himself in a prominent seat in the administration, simply for accepting a buyout and not pressing the horribly rigged way he was treated by the liberal establishment. If anyone should feel cheated, it should be the passionate donators who gave heavily to his campaign, only to have been bamboozled severely, and a month later he's high fiving her and giving her total praise during the DNC. He trashed her as much as Trump did.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

You know what I would love to see, for all of those here who have bashed and bashed and bashed the other side, to now say five, genuinely nice and positive things about the other side. I mean, we are at each other's throats which is what those in power want us to do. It helps them maintain power and control.

We are so addicted to the two party system because it's easy and we like easy. Hate the other side, love your side. Easy. Three choices? Four choices? FIVE CHOICES? Too many. My brain hurts having to think about making a hard choice. Having to actually research for more than 40 seconds. To have to question what my real priorities are. No, we like to say you're either pro- this or pro- that. Easy. No shades of grey. Just black and white.

I'm in on this because I'm always in for good debate but I recognize we are all in this thing together and I don't want to be viewed one-sided. However (disclaimer) I'm aiming this at how I see the majority of the democratic people not its politicians. I think the large majority of politicians on both sides are lying, cheating, thieving pieces of ...... Work. and really don't care about any of us.

I didn't research these, it's genuinely how I feel I see democrats :

1. Your party (the other side) in my opinion is loyal to a fault. Despite anything that might happen there is very little rumblings against each other (not counting primaries, that's natural.)

2. I truely believe you love the country

3. I believe you love most other people indiscriminately despite any difference in race, sex, sexual orientation , etc.....

4. You are extremely passionate on your feelings and thoughts and act upon them the same way.

5. You guys care a lot about humanitarian issues with specifics on other country's people.

[quackhead]

I'm still baffled at the polls showing Trump in the lead. I thought Hillary edged over Trump in the debate. Maybe its the politician vs businessman thing. That being the case, I think Trump will definitely be on the offense next debate and press Hillary on all her controversies that did not get covered in the first debate.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

You know what I would love to see, for all of those here who have bashed and bashed and bashed the other side, to now say five, genuinely nice and positive things about the other side. I mean, we are at each other's throats which is what those in power want us to do. It helps them maintain power and control.

We are so addicted to the two party system because it's easy and we like easy. Hate the other side, love your side. Easy. Three choices? Four choices? FIVE CHOICES? Too many. My brain hurts having to think about making a hard choice. Having to actually research for more than 40 seconds. To have to question what my real priorities are. No, we like to say you're either pro- this or pro- that. Easy. No shades of grey. Just black and white.

interesting.

1. I like Trump's "outsider" status. He really isn't a politician, and that is appealing. I get why he surged past all the politicians on the right.

2. Conservatives care about security (national and local), and balance out liberal "everybody's like, cool, man" attitudes. It's definitely needed.

3. I know conservatives love our country. We just have different ideas on making things great. The true solutions are probably/definitely in the middle.

4. in theory, conservative policies are great (just like liberal ones), but the process gets screwed up by crony capitalism and corruption (just like liberal ones).

5. I think conservatives believe in the goodness of businesses and trust them to take care of the environment (hence the push for smaller government and regulation). I believe this attitude is matched by liberal belief in the goodness of immigrants.


this was tougher than I thought, but I'm pretty far left on today's political spectrum. in 2002 i was considered a centrist.

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

Bernie isn't/wasn't going to complain because he cashed a check. No matter what "movement" his campaign claimed to be creating......at the end of the day he proved he's just another career politician who can be bought for the right price.

I can all but guarantee you if she's elected, Bernie will find himself in a prominent seat in the administration, simply for accepting a buyout and not pressing the horribly rigged way he was treated by the liberal establishment. If anyone should feel cheated, it should be the passionate donators who gave heavily to his campaign, only to have been bamboozled severely, and a month later he's high fiving her and giving her total praise during the DNC. He trashed her as much as Trump did.

i don't know about that. He's gone back to business as usual for him in Washington. and I think he went to that Dakota pipeline protest, and he was just skewering somebody in a congressional hearing a week or so ago.

He immediately shifted back to his Independent status, which I think we can all understand why the DNC (wrongfully) didn't exactly want to help the guy that was an I his entire career and shifted to D just to run for Prez.

If he gets a prominent position, you can be sure he'll use it to keep fighting for the stuff that is important to him and his supporters. Clinton won't put him anywhere important because he'll actually work to change #@#@#@#@.

As far as him supporting CLinton over Trump- is that really surprising to you? Cruz finally endorsed Donald Trump. When you can't win yourself, you support the candidate closest to your ideals that has a chance to win.

Originally Posted by quackhead

I'm still baffled at the polls showing Trump in the lead. I thought Hillary edged over Trump in the debate. Maybe its the politician vs businessman thing. That being the case, I think Trump will definitely be on the offense next debate and press Hillary on all her controversies that did not get covered in the first debate.

well, i saw some of the comments on Fox News' facebook posts about the debate. Seems like a lot of them hate the career politician thing, and they really seemed to prefer the attack lines over policy talk. i don't like that. i'd prefer to vote based on policy, but i really understand why the electoral college was created after reading those comments.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by quackhead

I'm still baffled at the polls showing Trump in the lead. I thought Hillary edged over Trump in the debate. Maybe its the politician vs businessman thing. That being the case, I think Trump will definitely be on the offense next debate and press Hillary on all her controversies that did not get covered in the first debate.

People simply do not like Hillary. Unlike Trump, Hillary has a political record to examine. Lies, fraud, and corruption surround her and the Clinton Foundation. Add in her failures as Secretary of State in the middle east.

THATS why Hillary has nowhere to go but down from here.

[jarrodsalas]

I think we are tired of hearing the sincere "this is what I am going to do" on policy while they have a smile on their face. Like was said before Hillary didn't sound believable. When you add in the issues surrounding her it's understandable why she isn't doing well currently. Trump sounded stout on his remarks. He stood his ground.

[Skipscards]

Such a strange/fascinating/horrific election cycle. One thing Trump predicted that seems to be actually happening is his saying there would be states in play that aren't traditionally in play. Looking Real Clear Politics and they just moved Massachusetts from "Safe Clinton" to "Likely Clinton" and both Maine and Minnesota to "Toss Up". Will be interesting to see the debate impact in the coming days.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

You know what I would love to see, for all of those here who have bashed and bashed and bashed the other side, to now say five, genuinely nice and positive things about the other side. I mean, we are at each other's throats which is what those in power want us to do. It helps them maintain power and control.

We are so addicted to the two party system because it's easy and we like easy. Hate the other side, love your side. Easy. Three choices? Four choices? FIVE CHOICES? Too many. My brain hurts having to think about making a hard choice. Having to actually research for more than 40 seconds. To have to question what my real priorities are. No, we like to say you're either pro- this or pro- that. Easy. No shades of grey. Just black and white.

Ok, I'll play along.

1- Trump is a master marketer. Hands down one of the best we've ever seen. The mans ability to market himself and whip up a crowd is probably among the best in history.

2- Regardless of how he got his start and how much help he had it still takes a tremendous amount of work to become a multi-billionaire. I may question how he got there, the help he had, and his numbers but the fact is he is a multi-billionaire and he didn't inherit multiple billions.

3- I like that he has shaken up the establishment. He has shown what can and will happen when you shout the most extreme messages to your base for to long. I think he has served as a wake up call to Republicans.

4- He is probably the best candidate to focus on the massive ethical flaws Hillary possesses. I disagree with a lot of her economic policies but if a traditional politician attacked her on it she would easily be able to defend herself. He is pointing out legitimate and real flaws that the American people should be aware of.

5- Given how we have gotten to this point I would greatly like to believe that it will encourage more teamwork between and across the aisles. Watching the primaries showed how the lack of willingness to work together split voters and ended up giving Trump the nomination. At the end of the day what has happened in this Presidential election cycle should serve as a massive lesson to all those who wish to run. Trump has to be given credit for that.

For the record I consider myself fiscally Republican, morally Democratic.

I hate how Democrats always want to give money away. I believe in a hand up not a hand out. There are many social programs that work, but far to many that cost way to much that don't.

I hate that Republicans believe that somehow loving someone who is of the same sex or being transgender somehow affects their quality of life. I don't care how someone lives their life so long as it doesn't affect mine. And I have yet to see how two men or two women getting married makes any difference on my life.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by quackhead

I'm still baffled at the polls showing Trump in the lead. I thought Hillary edged over Trump in the debate. Maybe its the politician vs businessman thing. .

Really I agree with this. I didn't comment on the debate yet because honestly I was soaking it in and didn't really know who to say won it. I have said all along for the most part I'm backing Trump because he is an outsider and I'm standing with that. I don't think he was or is the best for the job ( really I loved Carson) but I'd like to think the results are showing many feel the same way as me, they are sick of politicians, both democrat and republican.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Such a strange/fascinating/horrific election cycle. One thing Trump predicted that seems to be actually happening is his saying there would be states in play that aren't traditionally in play. Looking Real Clear Politics and they just moved Massachusetts from "Safe Clinton" to "Likely Clinton" and both Maine and Minnesota to "Toss Up". Will be interesting to see the debate impact in the coming days.

I just read an article about how a number of Republican news organizations, have for the first time, endorsed a Democratic candidate.

Some of these organizations have never endorsed a Democratic candidate in literally a hundred years.

For the most part the majority of early shifts have been in traditionally Republican states moving or being in play to move Democratic. But there has been shifts lately in traditional Democratic states moving closer to Republican also.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by irfuji

I just read an article about how a number of Republican news organizations, have for the first time, endorsed a Democratic candidate.

Some of these organizations have never endorsed a Democratic candidate in literally a hundred years.

For the most part the majority of early shifts have been in traditionally Republican states moving or being in play to move Democratic. But there has been shifts lately in traditional Democratic states moving closer to Republican also.

Exactly. I saw that too. A big one in Arizona that has endorsed Republican since Lincoln. Crazy.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by Panthersfans

Really I agree with this. I didn't comment on the debate yet because honestly I was soaking it in and didn't really know who to say won it. I have said all along for the most part I'm backing Trump because he is an outsider and I'm standing with that. I don't think he was or is the best for the job ( really I loved Carson) but I'd like to think the results are showing many feel the same way as me, they are sick of politicians, both democrat and republican.

When the election first started this was my exact thought process (except for Carson ). I liked that Trump was an outsider, I liked the idea of having a businessman who understood budgets/profit loss influencing decisions, and I liked that he wasn't a politically correct person.

Unfortunately as time has gone on I have come to realize that there are just too many negative things that vastly overshadow any negatives that Hillary has to support Trump.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by irfuji

When the election first started this was my exact thought process (except for Carson ). I liked that Trump was an outsider, I liked the idea of having a businessman who understood budgets/profit loss influencing decisions, and I liked that he wasn't a politically correct person.

Unfortunately as time has gone on I have come to realize that there are just too many negative things that vastly overshadow any negatives that Hillary has to support Trump.

So the 33k missing e-mails don't bother you? Thirteen blackberries were destroyed and five ipads not to mention everyone taking the 5th except one person when questioned by Congress.