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NeilCO · 08-31-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

i know this will come out as snarky, but what do you base the above comment on? What has she done to show herself as competent?

It's not so much based on what she has done as how she presents herself. I've always been extremely impressed with the way she debates. I believe she exhibits a deep understanding of the issues, which allows her to always be on the offensive and ready for anything. I actually wanted her to win over Obama 8 years ago. I have no regrets about Obama winning now, as he completely won me over, but at the time I thought she was better and seemed more informed than him in all the debates.

BoxBreaker72 · 08-31-2016, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NeilCO

It's not so much based on what she has done as how she presents herself. I've always been extremely impressed with the way she debates. I believe she exhibits a deep understanding of the issues, which allows her to always be on the offensive and ready for anything. I actually wanted her to win over Obama 8 years ago. I have no regrets about Obama winning now, as he completely won me over, but at the time I thought she was better and seemed more informed than him in all the debates.

Sounds like she hypnotized you with her world class political talent.

There will be no argument from me on that.. She's an incredible politician.

Other than speaking well in debates and understanding topics, what is she running on that you want?

jdandns · 08-31-2016, 10:52 PM

I can't speak for Neil, but for me, the Democratic Platform.
55 pages. Enjoy...

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-con...6-no-lines.pdf

rman112 · 08-31-2016, 10:57 PM

The video of Jesse Jackson gushing over Trump in 1999(?) is pretty rich

NeedChapmans · 08-31-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

I can't speak for Neil, but for me, the Democratic Platform.
55 pages. Enjoy...

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-con...6-no-lines.pdf

IDK, doesn't sound like Hillary believes in everything the democratic platform stands for. I read a lot in there about immigration ... taking care of the 11+ million illegal immigrants (she actually said 16 million today) but I can't help but think she doesn't actually want illegal immigrants in this country.

How about a sound bite from November?

Hillary: I Voted for Border Fence to Keep Out Illegal Immigrants | The Weekly Standard

trixstar · 09-01-2016, 07:18 AM

Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate:

1. Brings up key component of his international policy.

2. Is immediately rejected.

3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media.

4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

Addison · 09-01-2016, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate:

1. Brings up key component of his international policy.

2. Is immediately rejected.

3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media.

4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

"I like that in a leader".

Brobocop · 09-01-2016, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate:

1. Brings up key component of his international policy.

2. Is immediately rejected.

3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media.

4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

LMAO. Seriously though, how can he force another country to pay for that wall? I can't believe people voted for him based solely on that promise.

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate:

1. Brings up key component of his international policy.

2. Is immediately rejected.

3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media.

4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

1) Not true. Both Mexican President and Trump agree there was no discussion about the payment for the wall. Mexican President says he told Trump they would not pay; Trump says nothing (which leads be to believe the account of the Mexican president is true).

2) There was no rejection, because Trump never spoke on the subject. Why bother beginning negotiations when you're not President.

3) Trump lied of nothing. All he's said is that he met with the President of Mexico, they agree on shutting down the cartels.

4) The Mexican President made no such assertion. He simply said at the beginning of our conversation, I told him we would not pay for a wall, and the conversation unraveled from there in a respectful manner. I'm sure along the lines of ...

"Mr Trump, thank you for coming to Mexico today, I want to make it very clear that first and foremost, we will not pay for the wall"

"Thank you for having me, but that's not something I would like to discuss today"

Say whatever you want, but there were nothing but positives for Trump yesterday.

trixstar · 09-01-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

1) Not true. Both Mexican President and Trump agree there was no discussion about the payment for the wall. Mexican President says he told Trump they would not pay; Trump says nothing (which leads be to believe the account of the Mexican president is true).

2) There was no rejection, because Trump never spoke on the subject. Why bother beginning negotiations when you're not President.

3) Trump lied of nothing. All he's said is that he met with the President of Mexico, they agree on shutting down the cartels.

4) The Mexican President made no such assertion. He simply said at the beginning of our conversation, I told him we would not pay for a wall, and the conversation unraveled from there in a respectful manner. I'm sure along the lines of ...

"Mr Trump, thank you for coming to Mexico today, I want to make it very clear that first and foremost, we will not pay for the wall"

"Thank you for having me, but that's not something I would like to discuss today"

Say whatever you want, but there were nothing but positives for Trump yesterday.

You ever read any of Hannah Arendt's work?

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

You ever read any of Hannah Arendt's work?

Can't say that I have. No.

ensbergcollecto · 09-01-2016, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate:

1. Brings up key component of his international policy.

2. Is immediately rejected.

3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media.

4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

definitely don't want a president who lies do we?

trixstar · 09-01-2016, 09:04 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...31-column.html

Go ahead, defend him.

ensbergcollecto · 09-01-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

The Trump pivot is dead, in its place was a hate speech - Chicago Tribune

Go ahead, defend him.

the funny thing is, even people who plan to vote for him, there isn't a lot of defending him going on. Even those planning to vote for him are pretty open about his flaws.

On the other hand, hillary supporters seem to think all critique of her is just bias bashing that has no basis.

and for the record, no, I am not a trump supporter nor will I be voting for him

Halbert · 09-01-2016, 09:12 AM

honestly, this country is screwed. we got an ashole and a corrupt woman we have to pick from. people been getting crazier, and angrier as well. just not looking good in my opinion right now really about anything

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

The Trump pivot is dead, in its place was a hate speech - Chicago Tribune

Go ahead, defend him.

There's nothing to defend. He didn't say anything hateful, racist or bigoted. He called for 10 very clear points of action toward his immigration plan, and they made sense to a guy like me. Deport criminal illegal immigrants, complete bio-metric visas, ensure countries take back their deported ... etc.

But let's take a look at this author's other non-slanted views shall we?

This just in: Orange-hued heathen trashes party of Lincoln
It Must be a Magical Time to be a Racist

Let's call a spade a spade here. Trump could have said he would agree to donate $1B of his own money to save dying puppies, and this guy would have written that Trump has some kind of canine fetish that supports the white power movement.

Addison · 09-01-2016, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

There's nothing to defend. He didn't say anything hateful, racist or bigoted. He called for 10 very clear points of action toward his immigration plan, and they made sense to a guy like me. Deport criminal illegal immigrants, complete bio-metric visas, ensure countries take back their deported ... etc.

But let's take a look at this author's other non-slanted views shall we?

This just in: Orange-hued heathen trashes party of Lincoln
It Must be a Magical Time to be a Racist

Let's call a spade a spade here. Trump could have said he would agree to donate $1B of his own money to save dying puppies, and this guy would have written that Trump has some kind of canine fetish that supports the white power movement.

If he's president, would you be open to deporting the First Lady?

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Addison

If he's president, would you be open to deporting the First Lady?

Heh, you're too much. Surprised WaPo hasn't already written 10 of those articles this morning "Trump wants to deport Honored American Citizen Hillary Clinton!"

HillbillyCletus · 09-01-2016, 09:29 AM

Why is the term "illegal" not understood by so many people? I feel it's a fairly straightforward definition. If something is illegal, it is not legal. Illegal immigrants are not legal immigrants. Illegality is met with punishment. If illegality was not met with punishment, how exactly would this world operate?

Why do countries have laws?

Addison · 09-01-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Heh, you're too much. Surprised WaPo hasn't already written 10 of those articles this morning "Trump wants to deport Honored American Citizen Hillary Clinton!"

It was an honest and fair question.

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Addison

It was an honest and fair question.

No, it's a ridiculous question. It's like me asking you "If Clinton becomes President, do you believe Donald Trump will be put to death for being ISIS' #1 recruiter?"

Addison · 09-01-2016, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, it's a ridiculous question. It's like me asking you "If Clinton becomes President, do you believe Donald Trump will be put to death for being ISIS' #1 recruiter?"

There are legitimate arguments that Melania is an "illegal".

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Addison

It was an honest and fair question.

You better be careful. If I buy the Mike Trout superfractor auto from someone and cut it in half, and mail you the bottom half, I'm going to seriously hold you to it. You said it, so it's certainly a real possibility you mean it.

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Originally Posted by Addison

I'll go in half with you. But I want the bottom half.

NeedChapmans · 09-01-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Addison

There are legitimate arguments that Melania is an "illegal".

Brown eyes are blue underneath, and you can actually have surgery done to turn brown eyes blue.

I guess it's your turn to say crazy, random things.

deansayso · 09-01-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

1) Not true. Both Mexican President and Trump agree there was no discussion about the payment for the wall. Mexican President says he told Trump they would not pay; Trump says nothing (which leads be to believe the account of the Mexican president is true).

2) There was no rejection, because Trump never spoke on the subject. Why bother beginning negotiations when you're not President.

3) Trump lied of nothing. All he's said is that he met with the President of Mexico, they agree on shutting down the cartels.

4) The Mexican President made no such assertion. He simply said at the beginning of our conversation, I told him we would not pay for a wall, and the conversation unraveled from there in a respectful manner. I'm sure along the lines of ...

"Mr Trump, thank you for coming to Mexico today, I want to make it very clear that first and foremost, we will not pay for the wall"

"Thank you for having me, but that's not something I would like to discuss today"

Say whatever you want, but there were nothing but positives for Trump yesterday.

Wait so did they discuss paying for the wall or not?

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08-31-2016, 10:52 PM	#4903
jdandns Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 23,959	I can't speak for Neil, but for me, the Democratic Platform. 55 pages. Enjoy... https://www.demconvention.com/wp-con...6-no-lines.pdf __________________ I feel the glow of your unspoken love.

08-31-2016, 10:57 PM	#4904
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	The video of Jesse Jackson gushing over Trump in 1999(?) is pretty rich

09-01-2016, 07:18 AM	#4906
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,197 stunner316	Trumps 1st Major Visit with the Leader of a Foreign Nation as a Political Candidate: 1. Brings up key component of his international policy. 2. Is immediately rejected. 3. Lies about the content of his meeting with the media. 4. Is immediately called out by the foreign leader he met with.

09-01-2016, 09:04 AM	#4913
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,197 stunner316	http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...31-column.html Go ahead, defend him.

09-01-2016, 09:12 AM	#4915
Halbert Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 5,695 Halbert424	honestly, this country is screwed. we got an ashole and a corrupt woman we have to pick from. people been getting crazier, and angrier as well. just not looking good in my opinion right now really about anything

09-01-2016, 09:29 AM	#4919
HillbillyCletus Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 506	Why is the term "illegal" not understood by so many people? I feel it's a fairly straightforward definition. If something is illegal, it is not legal. Illegal immigrants are not legal immigrants. Illegality is met with punishment. If illegality was not met with punishment, how exactly would this world operate? Why do countries have laws?