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[Brobocop]

I feel like the reason the GOP is bleeding voters is they really are the party of no. Not just by disagreeing with Obama but their party platform. No on abortion, no on gay rights, no on pornography, no on government spending, no on welfare systems, no on immigration, on and on. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but they did loose me on the abortion, immigration, and gay rights issues. I wish the government spent a bit wiser or taxed a bit less, but I have to vote my conscious, not my pocketbook. How can we speak down on certain country's human rights issues when we still have some we are facing today?

If the GOP turned the corner on gay marriage and abortion, that would remove two of the biggest attack points the Democrats use against them. I'm not saying they embrace those two ideas. Just don't come out so strong against them. I can understand abortion being a tougher issue for people to come to grips with and can respect that. Gay rights though, I dunno how the party can still come out so strongly against that.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I feel like the reason the GOP is bleeding voters is they really are the party of no.Not just by disagreeing with Obama but their party platform. No on abortion, no on gay rights, no on pornography, no on government spending, no on welfare systems, no on immigration, on and on. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but they did loose me on the abortion, immigration, and gay rights issues. I wish the government spent a bit wiser or taxed a bit less, but I have to vote my conscious, not my pocketbook. How can we speak down on certain country's human rights issues when we still have some we are facing today?

If the GOP turned the corner on gay marriage and abortion, that would remove two of the biggest attack points the Democrats use against them. I'm not saying they embrace those two ideas. Just don't come out so strong against them. I can understand abortion being a tougher issue for people to come to grips with and can respect that. Gay rights though, I dunno how the party can still come out so strongly against that.

This. And running the Southern strategy is no longer a viable option in national elections.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I feel like the reason the GOP is bleeding voters is they really are the party of no. Not just by disagreeing with Obama but their party platform. No on abortion, no on gay rights, no on pornography, no on government spending, no on welfare systems, no on immigration, on and on. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but they did loose me on the abortion, immigration, and gay rights issues. I wish the government spent a bit wiser or taxed a bit less, but I have to vote my conscious, not my pocketbook. How can we speak down on certain country's human rights issues when we still have some we are facing today?

If the GOP turned the corner on gay marriage and abortion, that would remove two of the biggest attack points the Democrats use against them. I'm not saying they embrace those two ideas. Just don't come out so strong against them. I can understand abortion being a tougher issue for people to come to grips with and can respect that. Gay rights though, I dunno how the party can still come out so strongly against that.

Is pornography a political issue? I must have missed that memo.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by notsublime

I think you put to much emphasis in President Obamas endorsement of Hillary. If anything, he's only worried about what people think of him. Hence the big fake smile while giving the endorsement or an positive speech about her.

The Obamas and Clintons absolutely hate each other, but they are smart enough to provide political endorsements to keep the machine rolling.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Is pornography a political issue? I must have missed that memo.

Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace and pledge our commitment to children’s safety and well-being.

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

...And Cruz wanted to ban dildos. Take that for what its worth...

The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos | Mother Jones

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by Addison

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

...And Cruz wanted to ban dildos. Take that for what its worth...

The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos | Mother Jones

Are you advocating for more porn for American Children?

Now the Ted Cruz one is predictable.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Are you advocating for more porn for American Children?

Now the Ted Cruz one is predictable.

Easy straw-man...

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Are you advocating for more porn for American Children?

Now the Ted Cruz one is predictable.

I agree with protecting children from online predators but here is the piece from their party platform;

"Pornography, with its harmful effects,
especially on children, has become a public health
crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage
states to continue to fight this public menace
and pledge our commitment to children’s safety
and well-being. We applaud the social networking
sites that bar sex offenders from participation. We
urge energetic prosecution of child pornography,
which is closely linked to human trafficking."

Calling pornography a public health crisis is an insult to actual public health crisis'. You know what else is destroying the lives of millions of people? Lead poisoning. Where is that in this list? Oh yeah, that would require businesses to pay out of pocket to fix all the lead issues we have in this country. What's an easier target? Let's go after them porno people. Make them pay for what they have done to this country!

[Astros19]

As usual liberals are stretching the truth.
Republicans have no problem with immigration.
Now that "illegal" immigration is a different story.
As far as Republicans reaching out to minorities goes and why they're losing that battle, I think the better question is why haven't minorities looked back at the last few decades and taken a serious look at how far they've come towing the line of voting Democrat?
The reality is they will always be kept on the "plantation" as long as they continue to believe that Democrats actually want to help them.


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[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I agree with protecting children from online predators but here is the piece from their party platform;

"Pornography, with its harmful effects,
especially on children, has become a public health
crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage
states to continue to fight this public menace
and pledge our commitment to children’s safety
and well-being. We applaud the social networking
sites that bar sex offenders from participation. We
urge energetic prosecution of child pornography,
which is closely linked to human trafficking."

Calling pornography a public health crisis is an insult to actual public health crisis'. You know what else is destroying the lives of millions of people? Lead poisoning. Where is that in this list? Oh yeah, that would require businesses to pay out of pocket to fix all the lead issues we have in this country. What's an easier target? Let's go after them porno people. Make them pay for what they have done to this country!

So the abuse of children to make the porn is not an issue, or just not a big one in your mind? Are you aware of the mental health and substance abuse issues that come with exploitation of these children?

When it comes to lead, let's talk about Flint if we dare. You have liberal government and citizens that do not contribute to anything. They are a drain on the local economy and said economy cannot support these people. Infrastructure goes to crap and here comes the finger pointing. Work some jobs, pay some taxes, invest back into your community.

Your comparison/argument is absurd.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

So the abuse of children to make the porn is not an issue, or just not a big one in your mind? Are you aware of the mental health and substance abuse issues that come with exploitation of these children?

When it comes to lead, let's talk about Flint if we dare. You have liberal government and citizens that do not contribute to anything. They are a drain on the local economy and said economy cannot support these people. Infrastructure goes to crap and here comes the finger pointing. Work some jobs, pay some taxes, invest back into your community.

Your comparison/argument is absurd.

Let's unpack this one at a time:

1. Obviously, the abuse of children is a meaningful thing to me, as it is to pretty much any empathetic human. Children should be protected from online and sexual predators. Child pornography is a serious problem that should be dealt with by harsh penalties. Let's be clear here though. Their stance seems that pornography, in all forms, is a public health crisis. From the CDC, "CDC does not have an established position on pornography as a public health issue. Pornography can be connected to other public health issues like sexual violence and occupational HIV transmission."

When you declare something a "crisis" you in some ways are politicizing the issue and sensationalizing it. I could easily say that, with all the crimes committed with the use of a gun, we have a public health crisis in terms of guns. People gamble and throw away their lives at a casino, well, now according to me, we have a public health crisis in terms of gambling.

Once again, protect children from sexual predators, as a parent, ensure safe searches are on your computer, monitor the types of websites your child is going to, and you should be well on your way to ensuring the safety of your child's mental and physical well being.

2. Blaming the citizens of Flint for the crisis in Flint, even in the slightest, is kinda odd. Other than Flint, there is a shockingly high amount of lead in this country. Think of all those homes that still have lead-based paint. Think about all the pipes that carry water that are either made out of lead or have lead in them. You're worried about children and pornography while children raised in homes that still have lead based paints in them face all kinds of health and development issues. So yes, while the Flint disaster, and I mean to use the word disaster, is a huge issue that garnered a lot of news, the fact that we still have tons of lead based items in this country is something that nobody seems to pay attention to.

I know the clip is 20 minutes, and I know John Oliver skews left, but I think his news coverage of lead poisoning seemed pretty direct and informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUizvEjR-0U

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Addison

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

...And Cruz wanted to ban dildos. Take that for what its worth...

The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos | Mother Jones

I've been to Houston a couple of times (to take a sea cruise out of Galveston), and based upon how many kinds of shops I saw that were selling those there, such a ban would have undoubtedly devastated the local economy. Good thing they came to their senses after some serious flopping around on the issue.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I've been to Houston a couple of times (to take a sea cruise out of Galveston), and based upon how many kinds of shops I saw that were selling those there, such a ban would have undoubtedly devastated the local economy. Good thing they came to their senses after some serious flopping around on the issue.

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Everything is bigger in Texas...

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's the beauty of being a Progressive. Things change. We expect them to.
Hillary apparently has earned Obama's respect over the past 8 years.
Why so cynical, guys?

As far as forgiveness goes, it's available to anyone who admits they were wrong and who is also sorry for what they did, not just Hillary Clinton.

This is funny as both have lost respect from the majority of this country over the last 8 years. They are 2 peas in a pod.

[quackhead]

Interesting....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKDja6mA6w

[no10pin]

“Dwayne Wade’s cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago,” Mr. Trump wrote, misspelling Mr. Wade’s given name, which was later corrected. “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!”

Never pass up a chance to say I told you so. Of course, I'm sure stuff like this will immediately stop if Trump is elected.

[notsublime]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Interesting....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKDja6mA6w

Sounds a little like Houdini both in voice and delivery.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Interesting....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKDja6mA6w

Not interesting, although the comments underneath these kinds of alarmist videos very harshly illuminate just how deep is the abyss that even run-of-the-mill paranoid conspiracy theorists have themselves dug into these days. I'm not sure there's a way out once you're that far gone.

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by no10pin

“Dwayne Wade’s cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago,” Mr. Trump wrote, misspelling Mr. Wade’s given name, which was later corrected. “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!”

Never pass up a chance to say I told you so. Of course, I'm sure stuff like this will immediately stop if Trump is elected.

right out of the obama playbook, never let a crisis go to waste

[notsublime]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Not interesting, although the comments underneath these kinds of alarmist videos very harshly illuminate just how deep is the abyss that even run-of-the-mill paranoid conspiracy theorists have themselves dug into these days. I'm not sure there's a way out once you're that far gone.

You don't find it a little odd that Goggle is meddling in politics?

So much for the progressive.

[jdandns]

You do know that Google is not part of our government, right?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

right out of the obama playbook, never let a crisis go to waste

Well, sure, but Obama and the Left knows how to do it without looking like shameless opportunists. That's the point. Trump is an amateur. I can only imagine the collective sound of his campaign staff facepalming in unison as they read that horrifically tone-deaf tweet. Later, someone deleted the offensive tweet and put in a proper condolence tweet that even had the courtesy to spell Wade's first name correctly. Too little, too late. This guy might get down to 0% with black voters before he's finished.

No way Trump is allowed near his phone for at least this weekend. Look for rare complete sentences free of misspellings to continue as surrogates will be doing his tweeting for him at least until tomorrow morning. He's on a timeout.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Well, sure, but Obama and the Left knows how to do it without looking like shameless opportunists. That's the point. Trump is an amateur. I can only imagine the collective sound of his campaign staff facepalming in unison as they read that horrifically tone-deaf tweet. Later, someone deleted the offensive tweet and put in a proper condolence tweet that even had the courtesy to spell Wade's first name correctly. Too little, too late. This guy might get down to 0% with black voters before he's finished.

No way Trump is allowed near his phone for at least this weekend. Look for rare complete sentences free of misspellings to continue as surrogates will be doing his tweeting for him at least until tomorrow morning. He's on a timeout.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by notsublime

You don't find it a little odd that Goggle is meddling in politics?

So much for the progressive.

If you type 'Donald Trump health' in Yahoo, the first result is 'Donald Trump health problems'. Same thing in Google is 'Donald Trump healthcare'.

[ssbledsoe]

When did we start caring about presidential health so much? No one cared Ronnie Reagan had Alzheimers...