2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[pac213up]

The GOP has to understand that they cannot continue to lose minority voters and win a national election. The smartest thing for them to do is move as far away from Trump as possible and shift money towards congressional races. The damage being done is tremendous, especially as it's base continues to shrink.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Video did not say Black Panther. As I stated " anything saying Black Panther and KKK I ignore".

That's undoubtedly why his proper introduction as a Black Panther was conspicuously missing from the beginning of the YouTube video given its pathological aim, but he is very clearly captioned as being a "Community Activist" in the description field. I get the sense you don't have too high a regard for them either.

But just to be clear, as you watched that video, likely nodding in vigorous agreement with what Mr. X was saying, you were indeed concurring with a card carrying member of the New Black Panther Party. There may be some "Community Organizing" in your future, yet, babyface...

[Addison]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The GOP has to understand that they cannot continue to lose minority voters and win a national election. The smartest thing for them to do is move as far away from Trump as possible and shift money towards congressional races. The damage being done is tremendous, especially as it's base continues to shrink.

Clearly the GOP autopsy after the 2012 election didn't help.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's undoubtedly why his proper introduction as a Black Panther was conspicuously missing from the beginning of the YouTube video given its pathological aim, but he is very clearly captioned as being a "Community Activist" in the description field. I get the sense you don't have too high a regard for them either.

But just to be clear, as you watched that video, likely nodding in vigorous agreement with what Mr. X was saying, you were indeed concurring with a card carrying member of the New Black Panther Party. There may be some "Community Organizing" in your future, yet, babyface...

Community Organizing Ummm no. How come you try to link Trump as a racist, but Clinton calls black kids "Super Predators" and you don't mention this?

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Addison

Clearly the GOP autopsy after the 2012 election didn't help.

I just do not get it. Clearly they have to understand the shifting demographics.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I just do not get it. Clearly they have to understand the shifting demographics.

Monied self interests blur reality and rationality.

[corndog]

The only hope that Republicans have to win over minorities is to give away more than the Democrats. Minorities cherish the free stuff.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by corndog

The only hope that Republicans have to win over minorities is to give away more than the Democrats. Minorities cherish the free stuff.

[Athey49]

Originally Posted by corndog

A lot of physicians are suggesting that she is showing the symptoms of a stroke or TRI victim. If you notice in the gif a few threads above, (the two ladies that are reacting to her head shakes), one of them gives a double take and says "are you OK?'. Strokes and TRI's cause equilibrium issues as well. That whole lengthy period with her wearing those Fresnel prism glasses is concerning. Was it really a concussion that she suffered?

She just doesn't seem as healthy as they are alluding she is.

You seriously believe this?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

How come you try to link Trump as a racist, but Clinton calls black kids "Super Predators" and you don't mention this?

I hardly think she could have earned the endorsement of the esteemed President Barack Obama if this were a thing. I checked.
It isn't.

First off, she never singled out "black kids" as specifically being the "superpredators" within that statement, but you just did. (Are you trying to out-corndog ol' corndog, man? It can't be done!)

In terms of what she did say, here is that infamous portion of a 1996 speech at Keene State College in New Hampshire in all of its harsh pandering glory to "law and order" voters crucial to her husband's re-election by way of supporting his administration's controversial 1994 Violent Crime Control Act, a law that has indeed led to increased incarceration in a method now shown to have not been equally administered among the various social strata (racist, some would incorrectly say, but actually "classist" due to not being race specific):

Hillary 1996:
"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘superpredators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

(Sounds pretty Nurse Ratched to me but probably more Margaret Thatcher to our Conservative friends, who probably think, "Say, where's THAT Hillary been hiding? I like her casual Sadism.")

Anyhow, she clarified and apologized for those remarks in February 2016 when confronted by a young protestor at a campaign event in South Carolina thusly, "Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today."

On the matter, she seemed wholly contrite, but more importantly offered in writing, a day following, a lengthy mission statement of what we might expect in this arena from a President Hillary Clinton, looking in part to undo the unintended consequences of that imperfectly executed "tough on crime" legislative folly she and her husband had wrongly championed in 1994.

Hillary 2016:
"My life’s work has been about lifting up children and young people who’ve been let down by the system or by society, kids who never got the chance they deserved. And unfortunately today, there are way too many of those kids, especially in African-American communities. We haven’t done right by them. We need to. We need to end the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline."

Turn the page.
Vote Clinton.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The GOP has to understand that they cannot continue to lose minority voters and win a national election. The smartest thing for them to do is move as far away from Trump as possible and shift money towards congressional races. The damage being done is tremendous, especially as it's base continues to shrink.

Sounds like you need to turn off CNN for awhile

[notsublime]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I hardly think she could have earned the endorsement of the esteemed President Barack Obama if this were a thing. I checked.
It isn't.

First off, she never singled out "black kids" as specifically being the "superpredators" within that statement, but you just did. (Are you trying to out-corndog ol' corndog, man? It can't be done!)

In terms of what she did say, here is that infamous portion of a 1996 speech at Keene State College in New Hampshire in all of its harsh pandering glory to "law and order" voters crucial to her husband's re-election by way of supporting his administration's controversial 1994 Violent Crime Control Act, a law that has indeed led to increased incarceration in a method now shown to have not been equally administered among the various social strata (racist, some would incorrectly say, but actually "classist" due to not being race specific):

Hillary 1996:
"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘superpredators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

(Sounds pretty Nurse Ratched to me but probably more Margaret Thatcher to our Conservative friends, who probably think, "Say, where's THAT Hillary been hiding? I like her casual Sadism.")

Anyhow, she clarified and apologized for those remarks in February 2016 when confronted by a young protestor at a campaign event in South Carolina thusly, "Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today."

On the matter, she seemed wholly contrite, but more importantly offered in writing, a day following, a lengthy mission statement of what we might expect in this arena from a President Hillary Clinton, looking in part to undo the unintended consequences of that imperfectly executed "tough on crime" legislative folly she and her husband had wrongly championed in 1994.

Hillary 2016:
"My life’s work has been about lifting up children and young people who’ve been let down by the system or by society, kids who never got the chance they deserved. And unfortunately today, there are way too many of those kids, especially in African-American communities. We haven’t done right by them. We need to. We need to end the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline."

Turn the page.
Vote Clinton.

I think you put to much emphasis in President Obamas endorsement of Hillary. If anything, he's only worried about what people think of him. Hence the big fake smile while giving the endorsement or an positive speech about her.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Bashes minorities, but looks the other way with the tens of billions given out each year to the most profitable corporations in the country in the form of welfare...

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Sounds like you need to turn off CNN for awhile

I do not watch CNN but thanks.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I hardly think she could have earned the endorsement of the esteemed President Barack Obama if this were a thing. I checked.
It isn't.

First off, she never singled out "black kids" as specifically being the "superpredators" within that statement, but you just did. (Are you trying to out-corndog ol' corndog, man? It can't be done!)

In terms of what she did say, here is that infamous portion of a 1996 speech at Keene State College in New Hampshire in all of its harsh pandering glory to "law and order" voters crucial to her husband's re-election by way of supporting his administration's controversial 1994 Violent Crime Control Act, a law that has indeed led to increased incarceration in a method now shown to have not been equally administered among the various social strata (racist, some would incorrectly say, but actually "classist" due to not being race specific):

Hillary 1996:
"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘superpredators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

(Sounds pretty Nurse Ratched to me but probably more Margaret Thatcher to our Conservative friends, who probably think, "Say, where's THAT Hillary been hiding? I like her casual Sadism.")

Anyhow, she clarified and apologized for those remarks in February 2016 when confronted by a young protestor at a campaign event in South Carolina thusly, "Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today."

On the matter, she seemed wholly contrite, but more importantly offered in writing, a day following, a lengthy mission statement of what we might expect in this arena from a President Hillary Clinton, looking in part to undo the unintended consequences of that imperfectly executed "tough on crime" legislative folly she and her husband had wrongly championed in 1994.

Hillary 2016:
"My life’s work has been about lifting up children and young people who’ve been let down by the system or by society, kids who never got the chance they deserved. And unfortunately today, there are way too many of those kids, especially in African-American communities. We haven’t done right by them. We need to. We need to end the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline."

Turn the page.
Vote Clinton.

It's Clinton everyone. Nothing to see here. Kool-aid must taste so good on a hot summer night.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by notsublime

I think you put to much emphasis in President Obamas endorsement of Hillary. If anything, he's only worried about what people think of him. Hence the big fake smile while giving the endorsement or an positive speech about her.

That's part of it, sure, but if Trump could have somehow earned Obama's endorsement over Hillary, I'd have had to think it over, and had Bernie got the nod, I'd have backed him all the way.
Obama has done what we asked of him the best he could against overwhelming odds. I would hope he has a big say in his who his successor is. He does with me, and I wouldn't second guess his intentions at this point.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's part of it, sure, but if Trump could have somehow earned Obama's endorsement over Hillary, I'd have had to think it over, and had Bernie got the nod, I'd have backed him all the way.
Obama has done what we asked of him the best he could against overwhelming odds. I would hope he has a big say in his who his successor is. He does with me, and I wouldn't second guess his intentions at this point.

"Who would say anything to get elected, and change nothing".

President Obama on Clinton.

[CrownCollector]

So, jdandns will forgive (and even endorse) but only when it fits his personal agenda. Good to know, and sounds strangely familiar...

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The GOP has to understand that they cannot continue to lose minority voters and win a national election. The smartest thing for them to do is move as far away from Trump as possible and shift money towards congressional races. The damage being done is tremendous, especially as it's base continues to shrink.

you do understand that the GOP isn't losing minorities because of trump. minorities have been voting democrat in overwhelming percentages for 50+ years. trump is not the reason. they just refuse to vote for a republican candidate.

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's part of it, sure, but if Trump could have somehow earned Obama's endorsement over Hillary, I'd have had to think it over, and had Bernie got the nod, I'd have backed him all the way.
Obama has done what we asked of him the best he could against overwhelming odds. I would hope he has a big say in his who his successor is. He does with me, and I wouldn't second guess his intentions at this point.

there was zero percent chance that obama would endorse the republican candidate. obama is endorsing the same person who 8 years ago he claimed was the worst possible person for the job.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

there was zero percent chance that obama would endorse the republican candidate. obama is endorsing the same person who 8 years ago he claimed was the worst possible person for the job.

JD knows this. Obama is only going to recommend people on the ballot with a "D" by their name.

[jdandns]

That's the beauty of being a Progressive. Things change. We expect them to.
Hillary apparently has earned Obama's respect over the past 8 years.
Why so cynical, guys?

As far as forgiveness goes, it's available to anyone who admits they were wrong and who is also sorry for what they did, not just Hillary Clinton.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

you do understand that the GOP isn't losing minorities because of trump. minorities have been voting democrat in overwhelming percentages for 50+ years. trump is not the reason. they just refuse to vote for a republican candidate.

Really?

I am not suggesting Trump is the reason. The point is that at some point they need to adjust. The gap 50 years ago did not matter as much because of the demographics of the country.....this is now a much greater obstacle and will only get worse. The GOP had some support with Hispanics. Trump has destroyed much of what they had built there and absolutely done nothing to bring in non white votes.

The best thing the GOP can do is distance themselves, speak up against the rhetoric, and start to build a new, more inclusive platform for 2020. The longer they wait the more votes they are losing in the future. Not something they can afford given the shifting demographics of the country...especially in some very key states.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by corndog

The only hope that Republicans have to win over minorities is to give away more than the Democrats. Minorities cherish the free stuff.

Holy. Smokes. Did this just got posted in seriousness? Please tell me this was sarcasm or a joke or something.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Holy. Smokes. Did this just got posted in seriousness? Please tell me this was sarcasm or a joke or something.

Oh...he is serious.